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[DuncanMaster]

The game was not a total mess. It still provided some entertainment for fans like me, although the experience was rather shallow.

it was disappointing because:

1. Not as emotionally involving as DAO(Although romance options are not important, but it does make the game stand out from other market competitors, also bear in mind that most dialogue options and scripts in Awakening are far less inferior compared to the main game.Less interactions are available, alot of background stories being rushed through as well.)

2. A single voice actor's voice being used repeatedly in the game for different characters. While this is a common thing that we see in games, it is very surprising that they made it so obvious in Awakening. You can immediately tell the similarities early in the game.

3. Loop holes in the story, alot of items not carried over to the expansion.

4. some bugs in the expansion pack: i.e. loss of sound effects early in the game etc.

I have decided not to purchase any more expansions/DLCs unless it is proven to be worth the price. I might not even keep my hopes too high for the sequel. I am just a casual gamer, but to get this kind of half-baked expansion pack from Bioware is very depressing. It also made my pre-order seem stupid. Alot of my other friends have passed on this.

Modifié par DuncanMaster, 31 mars 2010 - 04:30 .

[Linoire]

I've been reading a lot about this expansion. The word itself implies that you're extending from what came previously.



I haven't purchased the expansion, and I probably won't. I've played EverQuest, World of Warcraft, and Lineage before. I watched as the "expansions" decayed into silliness. I know why they decayed, but I bought them all anyway. What kept me coming back to those games was the cohesiveness. It really is important to a lot of gamers. The other half of gamers really only care about killing stuff and getting more powerful.



I fall into the "storyline fanatic" category. Origins was simply the most amazing, most enthralling, most immersive experience I've had in a game since ... well, there really never was anything like it before. The character development in Origins made me feel like protecting some of my party members, or punishing others. I would gladly rescue Leliana, Wynne, or Shale from the clutches of death. I had no problem throwing Zevran, and Morrigan under the bus. I was so irritated with them. And it wasn't because they were annoying (ala Jar-Jar Binks), it was because of their natures. They felt like real party members.



At first, I thought the whole romance system was really a bad gimmick for the teen boys (even the teen boys who are really in their 20s and 30s) to have fun with. In point of fact, it was an intriguing side quest of its own. They had characters to appeal to a lot of personality types. And, in spite of the dialog shortcomings, it was really interesting to learn about the characters.



Why is all of this so important? Because, they did it once with Origins. Then they abandon it for an expansion. It means that those of us that read up on something before we buy it probably aren't going to buy this expansion. I'm fed up with companies (any company) making a good door opener product (World of Warcraft), only to follow it up with empty sequels meant for nothing more than guaranteed revenue (a lot like our politicians, and movie studios -- do movies ever get better in their sequels?).



If that feeling of accomplishment is gone. If the relationships I worked so hard on are gone. Then I, too, am gone.



I won't vote on this forum. I'll vote with my wallet. It's only $20 lost for them. But it's $20 saved for me.



Thanks to you "storyliners" being honest about the emptiness of this expansion, I've made my decision.



(Honestly, I am so disappointed... It reminds me of the grandeur and warmth I felt watching a grand movie... then finding out the sequel had none of the original actors).

[element eater]

DMTyrisis wrote...

BLunted wrote...I really thought it was going to tie in more to your origins char.

Are you serious?  The first two hours of the expansion are all about decisions you made in the DA:O.

well i must have missed that, awakening had very little links between games. May as well have been an entirely new character only good link in it is alistar/anoras cameo other then that pretty poor even the returning party member doesnt realy talk much about the past game besides felsei.

the game itself might not be too short but its certainly very disjointed not to mention many destinations just feel pointless in relation to your actual objective.

Modifié par element eater, 30 mars 2010 - 04:45 .

[bluewolv1970]

DMTyrisis wrote...

BLunted wrote...I really thought it was going to tie in more to your origins char.

Are you serious?  The first two hours of the expansion are all about decisions you made in the DA:O.

If by all you mean nothing then yes you are correct

[Onix Sunstone]

Linoire wrote...

I've been reading a lot about this expansion. The word itself implies that you're extending from what came previously.

........... Lots more things all good reading tho ............

I haven't purchased the expansion, and I probably won't.

After reading every post your story I feel is most important to address I think you would enjoy the expantion, your dig out every detail & pay attention to convos & text that cover alot of your choice you made.
 
I was worrid at first about story connection but there is plenty if you pay attention, realy bioware closing off the old land at the end of origins was a big mistake they could have use that for alot of back & forth trips & so much more connections.

Still back on points, this is part of the main story the wardens were grated the lands & we are poping over to sort it all out & wile we at it were killing darkspawn as we do & looking into odd things.

Im assuming the main story will play out over the main games, DA1, 2 ect & they take alot of time to make & leave little room for alteration once the time line has been set.

The expantions give us good side line details about the world & can be fairly radome in content as long as they dont impact the main story to much.

The company would also have imo diffent dev teams, Devs A always on main story & Devs B on expantions/dlc this means we dont have to wait 2-3+ years between main story chunks without anything thing to do & maybe even loose interest totaly.

If we started having romance for example in a side line that would have to be lost when going back on the main story or would require some realy complex work tieing everyone together, how the old loves will handle it.

This would also be why we dont have the main party from DAO they have work to do for DA2 & again complex story ties in that would force expantions to always be about the main story putting ya back at sqaure one 2-3 year waits. Also spoling any freedom for new ideas & places that can be done without complex tie ins & can be done by the  B team as Devs think of them.

They maybe worded it wrong as an expantion, its a sideline an addon but that still goes in a box as an expantion thats just what addons are called. Still it is also areal expantion of the main story & game but it dosnt reopen the old land so it seems apart & is.

Im shure that dont help I got total lost the point is I think your find the connections & love the added world detail till we get back on main track.
 
I wonder how DA2 wil handle DAA

[DespiertaLosNinos]

II Numero6 II wrote...

First i paid theme all i registered them so i am not stealer yet .

But saling something  short  unfinished , bugy especially  armor , sword for those who have warden downland content  and other bug  like transparancy on ghost effect on character , with a high price you're near from stealing money from customer .it a shame to sale a game  like that

If dragon origin 2 or mass effect 3 is all bugged and about  DLC  etc.. at the end the game cost you more 100$
i think in my opinion enough is enough looks like every company have ony DLC (money ) into mouth and forget about quality and customer respect  and after they all complaining about piracy .

Like was said before, it is on you to decide where your money is to be spent.  Bioware is not withholding the basic necessities of life from you at crippling prices.  Your opinion boils down to this "I want to play the game but I don't want to pay for it."  You seem to be having entitlement issues, act like an adult you are talking about a damn game.  Whether the game is good or bad is irrelevant, if you buy a crappy game its your fault not the companies.  I have bought more than my fair share of bad games, get over it.

On topic, my real gripe with the expansion was that the story could have been so much more than it was.  I really was enjoying the premise of the architect and though it could have been fleshed out to the point of a full blown sequel.  Over all though I was entertained by Awakening so I don't really consider it a failure....as good as the original?  No where near. 

[Anonymouswizard]

DMTyrisis wrote...

Are you serious?  The first two hours of the expansion are all about decisions you made in the DA:O.

?
It took you two hours to retake the keep?

[VladimirSirin]

Meh. I just thought it was too short and unpolished. But it is an EXPANSION PACK. I basically got what they advertised. And 20 hours is decent in this day and age for a full release, let alone an add-on.



tl:dr r- I don't think it was dissapointing.

[Somnolent Donut]

We did not "choose" to buy the game. We paid 40 bucks with the expectation that we would be getting 40 bucks worth of content - basically the same aount of content as the original. Instead what we got was a premium module worth 10 bucks at most (and crashed like 10 times on me). EA stole money from us. I will think twice about buying any more EA content.

[Jace Surana]

Somnolent Donut wrote...

We did not "choose" to buy the game. We paid 40 bucks with the expectation that we would be getting 40 bucks worth of content - basically the same aount of content as the original. Instead what we got was a premium module worth 10 bucks at most (and crashed like 10 times on me). EA stole money from us. I will think twice about buying any more EA content.

Um, regardless of what your "expectations" were, unless someone held a loaded gun to your head or one of your family members hostage and told you to either buy the game or suffer the deadly consequences, yes you did choose to buy the game of your own free will. And as for what the expansion was worth, trying to argue that is pointless, because there are some who feel the expansion was quite worth the price. Like myself, naturally. True, it wasn't as grand as Origins, but it was fun and enjoyable.

[Realmzmaster]

You choose to buy anything. Bioware is not holding a gun to your head saying buy the game or expansion. It is a choice whether you buy it or not. If you do not like the product you have a right to complain to the company about the quality of the product. You also have the right to never buy from that company again or wait to see how good is their next product.

If you do not like the price, do not buy it. Wait for a price drop, which is happening right now at the EA store (half price just enter this code PAXEAST842).

If you had expectations and they were not met you have a right to complain in a civil manner.

But you make the decision to purchase or not to purchase.

[DespiertaLosNinos]

Somnolent Donut wrote...

We did not "choose" to buy the game. We paid 40 bucks with the expectation that we would be getting 40 bucks worth of content - basically the same aount of content as the original. Instead what we got was a premium module worth 10 bucks at most (and crashed like 10 times on me). EA stole money from us. I will think twice about buying any more EA content.

Okay, there's all kinds of things wrong with what you just wrote.  I really hope you don't believe everything you read or are told.  There is not a game publisher or developer around that doesn't promote their products in the best possible light.  It is one of the major jobs of EA to get people to want to buy something, as a consumer it is entirely on your shoulders to make informed purchases.  There are plenty of reviews floating around the web that are there so you CAN make informed purchases.

Having gotten that out of the way, there is no reason that you shouldn't dislike Awakening and express the reasons why.  You can hate it for all I care, but claiming that EA stole money from you and that you didn't have a choice in the purchase is childish.  It is not taking any responsibility for your own actions or inaction of informing yourself.  The whole reason I commented in the earlier post was because that one guy said now he was going to start pirating Bioware products because he didn't like Awakening.  Which is equally as childish.

You didn't like it, good.  Express what you felt was lacking in a civilized way and take further care with future purchases.  I agree with most of the negative comments directed towards Awakening but at the end of the day you have to take responsibility.

[BLunted]

DMTyrisis wrote...

BLunted wrote...I really thought it was going to tie in more to your origins char.

Are you serious?  The first two hours of the expansion are all about decisions you made in the DA:O.

Why? Just because everyone kept calling me the "hero of Fereldan"? That would be the result of any of the endings of origins. As this is a no spoiler forum, i will refrain from specifics, but can only recall two instances(and one of those is iffy) where your direct choices in origins were referenced in awakenings.

[TrueWindoze]

awakening owns

[II Numero6 II]

DespiertaLosNinos wrote...

Somnolent Donut wrote...

We did not "choose" to buy the game. We paid 40 bucks with the expectation that we would be getting 40 bucks worth of content - basically the same aount of content as the original. Instead what we got was a premium module worth 10 bucks at most (and crashed like 10 times on me). EA stole money from us. I will think twice about buying any more EA content.

Okay, there's all kinds of things wrong with what you just wrote.  I really hope you don't believe everything you read or are told.  There is not a game publisher or developer around that doesn't promote their products in the best possible light.  It is one of the major jobs of EA to get people to want to buy something, as a consumer it is entirely on your shoulders to make informed purchases.  There are plenty of reviews floating around the web that are there so you CAN make informed purchases.

Having gotten that out of the way, there is no reason that you shouldn't dislike Awakening and express the reasons why.  You can hate it for all I care, but claiming that EA stole money from you and that you didn't have a choice in the purchase is childish.  It is not taking any responsibility for your own actions or inaction of informing yourself.  The whole reason I commented in the earlier post was because that one guy said now he was going to start pirating Bioware products because he didn't like Awakening.  Which is equally as childish.

You didn't like it, good.  Express what you felt was lacking in a civilized way and take further care with future purchases.  I agree with most of the negative comments directed towards Awakening but at the end of the day you have to take responsibility.

IT not really stealing  it forced sale why :

Stone prisonner how you can explain you find cristal and some  gift for shale  in dragon origin without the extension installed  mean removed from the original game ?

warden keeper how is possible that levi dryden is in the camp and how is it possible you can find meteor minerals wihtout installing  the DLC ?

do you find normal in a complete game  you can't  doing a quest in this case levy dryden  because you must   pay a DLC for  doing it ? 


All of that mean  they removed  feature of the game and sale it in DLC and now an 40euros (53$) extension that have three pooor  3 area you can finished in 10 hour without descent story .

i learned  my lesson with DLC now if a game is not complete and split in different part to have more money i won't simply buy it .

[Zeghna]

The biggest problem for me was the difficulty level. On nightmare difficulty I never had to come up with a tactic except for the last fight in the game.



All the crafting, all the items, all the new abilities became pointless because I just didn't have the need to utilize them to overcome an encounter. On autopilot orange mobs came down. And I don't even have best in slot items or micromanaged stats for maximum damage/efficency like some other players.



Hence the game became less engaging and short since I never had to reload. New items lost their value since I didn't even need them to overcome obstacles. I even started using some spells just to see the visual effect not for tactics.



Big disappointment for me. I am still a big fan of the original.

[Shard Storm]

The attack speed bug epitomized the game for me personally. Ok, it was bugged in the first game but we could deal with that right? So why create momentum runes. Why focus on a bugged aspect of the game without fixing the fault? Its sloppy craftsmanship. You have to ask yourself, would it happen at valve?



I've played about 5-6 hours so far, spend a couple of hundred gold creating various runes (momentum in particular) only to find they actually slow my character down. Time to get back to Bad Company 2 I think....



Its a shame games with multiple horrendous bugs such as this can be classed as 'faulty' producs and returned, If my toaster had a 'haste' button which inadvertently slowed my toast down, it would be returned the very next day. Fair point, food for fault at least? ... Now I'm hungry.



Fingers crossed from DAO2

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Voodoojedizin wrote...

1. No campground or teammate conversations no relationships.
2. Game is too short, by the time you get your teammates together the game is practically over. You have no time to really have fun with each of your teammates.
3. new crafting skills are worthless since the game is so short.
And because you cannot control your teammates at your base it makes using the crafting skills more difficult then it should be.
4. And a plot and storyline that lead me to believe were in for future ad-on rip-offs.
If you could have added all the things in this so called expansion to the main game it would have extended its play and made it much more fun. Why didn't you do that?
It's like a big fat mod not a true expansion. I think the business suits took over and could see a great way to suck some more money out of the fan base.
One can only hope the player reviews give you a shock wake up as to what you did wrong and you're asking ourselves why in the world did we do this.
I will not be purchasing anything else until long after it has been released no more jumping, thinking I'm getting something good and honest from the developer. 

I liked awakening although it had way more potential as a expansion but it does shed light on things to come.
The frame rates the same laggs after a few hours although the autosaves lag up my ps3 majorly so i took them off. The inviso conversations with velanna. But being able to respec your charaters attributes and the new abilitys like Spirit warrior ,keeper specialization, and shadow are a nice touch and the new charaters are just as good as the old ones.

   Although i agree with everyone else who ever got the codex on origins that they were traveling to amaranthine with Zevran,Leliana got cheated. But over all good buy for me just makes me wana get DAO:2 Horribly but this game had way more potential and was 2 damn short best time i got was 11hours and thats every side quest. 

   But i do think you people on this forum are making this expansion seem horrible when its very involving short but i was just as interested in Awakening as origins and i love playing a Orlesian since ive beat origins it gets old but dont bash this game to much still worth playing. I think your missing out if you dont play it and it will most likely explain alot of whats going to happen in DAO:2.

Modifié par OrlesianWardenCommander, 31 mars 2010 - 12:07 .

[WilliamShatner]

Onix Sunstone wrote...

Linoire wrote...

I've been reading a lot about this expansion. The word itself implies that you're extending from what came previously.

........... Lots more things all good reading tho ............

I haven't purchased the expansion, and I probably won't.

After reading every post your story I feel is most important to address I think you would enjoy the expantion, your dig out every detail & pay attention to convos & text that cover alot of your choice you made.
 
I was worrid at first about story connection but there is plenty if you pay attention, realy bioware closing off the old land at the end of origins was a big mistake they could have use that for alot of back & forth trips & so much more connections.

Still back on points, this is part of the main story the wardens were grated the lands & we are poping over to sort it all out & wile we at it were killing darkspawn as we do & looking into odd things.

Im assuming the main story will play out over the main games, DA1, 2 ect & they take alot of time to make & leave little room for alteration once the time line has been set.

The expantions give us good side line details about the world & can be fairly radome in content as long as they dont impact the main story to much.

The company would also have imo diffent dev teams, Devs A always on main story & Devs B on expantions/dlc this means we dont have to wait 2-3+ years between main story chunks without anything thing to do & maybe even loose interest totaly.

If we started having romance for example in a side line that would have to be lost when going back on the main story or would require some realy complex work tieing everyone together, how the old loves will handle it.

This would also be why we dont have the main party from DAO they have work to do for DA2 & again complex story ties in that would force expantions to always be about the main story putting ya back at sqaure one 2-3 year waits. Also spoling any freedom for new ideas & places that can be done without complex tie ins & can be done by the  B team as Devs think of them.

They maybe worded it wrong as an expantion, its a sideline an addon but that still goes in a box as an expantion thats just what addons are called. Still it is also areal expantion of the main story & game but it dosnt reopen the old land so it seems apart & is.

Im shure that dont help I got total lost the point is I think your find the connections & love the added world detail till we get back on main track.
 
I wonder how DA2 wil handle DAA

And when DA2 comes out with none of the original cast you'll see what a fallacy this is.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Onix Sunstone wrote...

Linoire wrote...

I've been reading a lot about this expansion. The word itself implies that you're extending from what came previously.

........... Lots more things all good reading tho ............

I haven't purchased the expansion, and I probably won't.

After reading every post your story I feel is most important to address I think you would enjoy the expantion, your dig out every detail & pay attention to convos & text that cover alot of your choice you made.
 
I was worrid at first about story connection but there is plenty if you pay attention, realy bioware closing off the old land at the end of origins was a big mistake they could have use that for alot of back & forth trips & so much more connections.

Still back on points, this is part of the main story the wardens were grated the lands & we are poping over to sort it all out & wile we at it were killing darkspawn as we do & looking into odd things.

Im assuming the main story will play out over the main games, DA1, 2 ect & they take alot of time to make & leave little room for alteration once the time line has been set.

The expantions give us good side line details about the world & can be fairly radome in content as long as they dont impact the main story to much.

The company would also have imo diffent dev teams, Devs A always on main story & Devs B on expantions/dlc this means we dont have to wait 2-3+ years between main story chunks without anything thing to do & maybe even loose interest totaly.

If we started having romance for example in a side line that would have to be lost when going back on the main story or would require some realy complex work tieing everyone together, how the old loves will handle it.

This would also be why we dont have the main party from DAO they have work to do for DA2 & again complex story ties in that would force expantions to always be about the main story putting ya back at sqaure one 2-3 year waits. Also spoling any freedom for new ideas & places that can be done without complex tie ins & can be done by the  B team as Devs think of them.

They maybe worded it wrong as an expantion, its a sideline an addon but that still goes in a box as an expantion thats just what addons are called. Still it is also areal expantion of the main story & game but it dosnt reopen the old land so it seems apart & is.

Im shure that dont help I got total lost the point is I think your find the connections & love the added world detail till we get back on main track.
 
I wonder how DA2 wil handle DAA

And when DA2 comes out with none of the original cast you'll see what a fallacy this is.

Well old charaters or not there good at making new funny deep charaters so what ever happens im getting DAO:2 so i can go to Orlais.

[DuncanMaster]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

1. Its an expansion and not a huge game. I think it was emotionally involving. Especially near the end with Amaranthine thing.

2. They were probably trying to keep money for more VA's in DA2 and thats why so many were repeatedly used. The VAs will have raised there prices after being in a successful game (origins)

3.Your missing a 3.

4. Items in real life can be lost too y'know.

5. The bugs passed and the game was still playable. I didn't even encounter half of the ones so many people talk about in forim.

3. Thanks ... typing error

5. Probably you are playing a different port or console? Mine is a PS3 console.... and alot of bugs that were present in DAO were also present in Awakening.

I know this is an expansion and the developer/publisher has every right to do whatever they please and release it as a final product... but it just came as a huge shock for me... I mean to have played Baldur's Gate, NeverWinters Night, KOTOR etc... then coming to this sudden dip in quality and standards... its just so unlike any other previous Bioware games I have played.

I am pretty sure alot of fans feel the same....

Modifié par DuncanMaster, 31 mars 2010 - 04:38 .

[Onix Sunstone]

WilliamShatner wrote...

And when DA2 comes out with none of the original cast you'll see what a fallacy this is.

I hope thats not the case man were have to see in time, im new to bioware games but already there is so many mist chances for improvments. In origins I had got myself mentaly setup for a much better/worse outcomes for team. Just imagin poor Lel dying in ya arms still im glad she dont ofc.

Just got myself ME so ill play that asap then get ME2 see how things carry over in that.

[mull529]

I think your missing the point of the complaint about it being too short. I think many of us did indeed have emotions invested in the characters we developed in DAO. I really wanted a story that would carry my toon to new parts of her life. But, instead she became a quest bot. You simple can't produce a game to start that allows you to make really interchange with other players and then take that part away. I certainly would have paid every bit as much for a game that engaged me as DAO did.