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[VanDraegon]

Can someone make me a sig banner that says" As an American, i am the most important part of the community." ?

[stefan9]

Cat Lance wrote...

Guys, the countries and states that are excluded, I am fairly certain, are not participating due to their OWN laws regarding contests. No one at EA/BioWare decided that the only people that are a part of the community live in a mere 48 of the USA's states.

I mean the Warden's Quest event was not that long ago, and included teams made from all across the globe. In that case they did have control over it and consciously chose to include the entire world. That says a lot more than legal barriers on a single event.

No they didn't. There was only north american and european teams. Entire world would have meant the event having teams from south america,africa and australasia also participating.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Smaaen90 wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Smaaen90 wrote...
Second time you post this, and as someon else brought up, The Origins prelaunch had no problem doing this, and as he said, and I agree with, I find it hard to believe that out of all the countries in the world who have people playing any BioWare game (this case DA or ME) can't join this due to laws. Surely some, but not every single one, including two states.

It's way too far fetched.

Clearly there are legal barriers put into place all around the world, to prevent hazard, gambling, lotteries and all kinds of unchristian behaviour, especially if said song and dance comes from the great satan, Amerika.

Clearly.

That made me chuckle ^^

Though, I'm quite sure you saw the logic in what I wrote, despite your puns (: And, I didn't say there weren't any legal barriers at all, just saying it's far fetched that it's the one reason no one else besides america and two of their states, can't participate.

I saw it. I just wanted to spell out what it seems the americans are thinking. They have a hard time relating to nations other than their own, so it's always funny to point fingers and them and laugh whenever they go all "But.. but.. it's outside america! There cannot possibly be anything there! I'm sure it's your fault, because of your silly laws against americans!".

[Smaaen90]

Angband21 wrote...

Cell1e wrote...

Has anyone from Bioware posted an explanation or apology yet?

You kidding? You won't see any sort of apology/explanation. Just silence. They know they screwed the pooch, and don't have the industrial-sized stones to face up to it.

We are just  wallets to them. Get used to it. They set up a nice social site so everyone can feel special, and then shovel s**t to us and expect everyone to feel grateful.

When/if they release a statement/explanation for this.. Boy, are you gonna look ridiculous ;o

[Sloth Of Doom]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...
You make no sense at all man...NO SENSE...look at what you are typing.

You have said multiple times that it isn't US only.....now you are backpedaling and saying that it is US only but they shouldn't say that it is?  Which is it?  make up your mind.

Would people from FLA and NY still be angy?  Sure.  IS it logical to say "Well, if two states are going to be angry lets just ****** OFF THE REST OF THE WORLD"?


This isn't about "mememe" this is about some idiot at bioware announcing an "Epic community event" on multiple international sites that cater to tens of thousands of people when only a small percentage of those people are actually affected.

Your failure to comprehend how jst plain STUPID that is is just another shining example of the failure of the American education system.

Well first off, I'd be willing to bet cold hard cash that I'm smarter than you and that I could prove it. But that's a horse of a different color. Now that we've gotten the standard internet argument insults out of the way I'll get to the point.

If you want to talk semantics so bad then fine, it's "US-only." Except for New York and Florida.

Now, explain to those New York and Florida folks why they shouldn't be upset if it's announced as a US-only event.

Also, explain to the EA execs how they will get the same level of attention if it's announced as US-only.

Also, explain to me why half the people complaining right now wouldn't be complaining just as loudly if it had been announced as a US-only event becuase they still want to participate and are pissed that they can't even if they were told in advance.

Maybe they didn't do it the best way they could, but this was going to ****** people off no matter how they announced it, and I don't care because I still get to participate.

Yes yes, I am sure you are the next coming of Grigori Perelman.

There is a difference between being excluded, and being mislead and then excluded.   Personally, I couldn't give a **** about their marketing ploy prize giveaway and wouldn't participate if I could.   What angers me (and many others if you took the time to read the posts here before spewing nonsense) is the fact that Bioware implied that this was to be a worldwide event (calling something a community event when your community is worldwide implies total inclusion).

Bioware mislead and implicitly lied to the majority of the very community that they claim to be "thanking".  I don't know how the irony of that can be lost on you.

Just because something is bound to ****** off a small percentage of people does not mean that logically you should engineer it to ****** off a majority.  What kind of logical fallacy is that?  Seriously...think about ti for a minute...if you go in to a bar with a shirt bashing the gay community you are going to ****** a couple people off.  Does that mean it would be better for you to wear the shirt, then start grabbing people at random and punch them in the face since "Hey...someone will be pissed off anyways"

[Obtusifolius]

Smaaen90 wrote...

RDOT wrote...

HAHAHAHAHAHA epic announcement!! First Awakenings is a total overpriced flop, and now this stupid auction only 1/4 of the community can participate in??

If I wanted useless crap I would just log onto E-Bay. I'm officially done with Dragon Age, and Bioware in general.

 Take care then. See you the moment DLC or expansion or anything new comes out.

That's highly presumptuous, don't you think...? It is possible for people to put their principles before their greed, even if it is depressingly unusual.

[Nukenin]

Cat Lance wrote...

Guys, the countries and states that are excluded, I am fairly certain, are not participating due to their OWN laws regarding contests. No one at EA/BioWare decided that the only people that are a part of the community live in a mere 48 of the USA's states.
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EA/Bioware did not have to invest time and money into this twit-fest they call the Bazaar.  They entered into this fully aware that there would be legal issues preventing a significant chunk of their playerbase from participating, yet they not only chose to proceed anyway, they chose to do so using a deceptively cruel "countdown" gimmick that gave no warning as to the regional exclusivity of what they termed an "epic community event".

No, they do not get a pass here.  They are a responsible party.

[Cat Lance]

Smaaen90 wrote...

Cat Lance wrote....



Guys, the countries and states that are excluded, I am fairly certain, are not participating due to their OWN laws regarding contests. No one at EA/BioWare decided that the only people that are a part of the community live in a mere 48 of the USA's states.



I mean the Warden's Quest event was not that long ago, and included teams made from all across the globe. In that case they did have control over it and consciously chose to include the entire world. That says a lot more than legal barriers on a single event..

Second time you post this, and as someon else brought up, The Origins prelaunch had no problem doing this, and as he said, and I agree with, I find it hard to believe that out of all the countries in the world who have people playing any BioWare game (this case DA or ME) can't join this due to laws. Surely some, but not every single one, including two states.



It's way too far fetched.

How is it far fetched to think that a very weird points system/auction contest that is not how most giveaways are handled at all would end up being in contradiction to lots of countries laws? That is a really odd viewpoint to me.



And as I stated, the Warden's Quest was an event held in London, all the various contestants had to worry about was being available to go to London for the correct week. That is, a valid passport and the ability to take off work or whatever, individual contest laws didn't matter at all in that.

- Songlian - wrote...

Cat Lance wrote...

Guys, the countries and states that are excluded, I am fairly certain, are not participating due to their OWN laws regarding contests. No one at EA/BioWare decided that the only people that are a part of the community live in a mere 48 of the USA's states.

Cat, I do understand where you are coming from, but I think most of the people here are pissed because this was advertised as a BioWare Community Event, when it clearly turned out to exclude a large part of it. I'm fairly certain that this wasn't something new to them. They didn't woke up just 5 minutes before the launch and realised "Oh, crap! We forgot to specify something."



They probably had valid reasons not to include... the rest of the world really, but they should have been honest about the entire thing.

I also totally agree with the viewpoint that the information/marketing was handled very badly. As stated, I'm only responding to the folk crying that EA/BioWare hates them or they are no longer a part of the community.



I definitely feel this could have been handled better.

wepeel_ wrote...



That may very well be; it's not like people think Ray and Greg had a meeting and decided what nations and states they didn't like enough to include.



However, they could have been up front with this from the start, before they put up their retrospectively pointless countdown, and certainly when they announced the event itself. Chris could have explained it in his opening post, and apologized to the community members excluded, and so on. There are just so many better ways that this could have been handled, and BioWare went with the worst, most blatant one, letting the fine print do the talking.

I agree with what you say, and definitely think a mentioning in the OP would have been a great idea, since by that point they were definitely aware of who was and wasn't able to participate. Obviously I have no idea why they didn't do this and won't bother venturing guesses about it. Again, I was only addressing the cries of they hate us and we aren't a community member anymore, crap.

stefan9 wrote...



No they didn't. There was only north american and european teams. Entire world would have meant the event having teams from south america,africa and australasia also participating.

Oh, very true, you got me there.

[Smaaen90]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Smaaen90 wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Smaaen90 wrote...
Second time you post this, and as someon else brought up, The Origins prelaunch had no problem doing this, and as he said, and I agree with, I find it hard to believe that out of all the countries in the world who have people playing any BioWare game (this case DA or ME) can't join this due to laws. Surely some, but not every single one, including two states.

It's way too far fetched.

Clearly there are legal barriers put into place all around the world, to prevent hazard, gambling, lotteries and all kinds of unchristian behaviour, especially if said song and dance comes from the great satan, Amerika.

Clearly.

That made me chuckle ^^

Though, I'm quite sure you saw the logic in what I wrote, despite your puns (: And, I didn't say there weren't any legal barriers at all, just saying it's far fetched that it's the one reason no one else besides america and two of their states, can't participate.

I saw it. I just wanted to spell out what it seems the americans are thinking. They have a hard time relating to nations other than their own, so it's always funny to point fingers and them and laugh whenever they go all "But.. but.. it's outside america! There cannot possibly be anything there! I'm sure it's your fault, because of your silly laws against americans!".

Quite sad, I have a few good American buds/acquaintances, and most of them are ashamed to live in such an arrogant, pompous, rotten filled country (quote on quote).

Just hope we'll get an explanation to this _before_ this gets, well, too ludicrous of a thread to even read.

[Grimgor79]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...
Ok dude you keep saying it isn't "US only" so I am going to assume english is not your native language.


See, ONLY citizens of the US can participate, making this a "US Only" contest.  The fact that not all people in the US can participate does not change the fact that the only people that CAN participate are US citizens.

To use another example, I can say that I eat only vegetables, but I don't eat carrots because I am allergic.  The fact that I don't eat carrots wouldn't stop me from eating only vegetables.  

Describing this as a "US Only" event is accurate.

Because those people wouldn't be complaining exactly the way they are right now if it was advertised that way.

What in the hell does that have to do with calling it US only?  Do you have some kind of disease that prevents you from actually acknowledging  point and instead deliver deflective comment?

Because you're still looking at this as "memememememe." Saying it was US only would only have risen the ire of community members from New York and Florida. There was no way for them to win here, even if the way they did may not have been the best way to do it.

And if they had said that, it may have made it too easy to guess the kind of thing that was going on. That would have wrecked the fun for even more people involved.

Stop taking it personal. They didn't say to themselves "We don't like SlothOfDoom, so lets exclude his country."

You make no sense at all man...NO SENSE...look at what you are typing.

You have said multiple times that it isn't US only.....now you are backpedaling and saying that it is US only but they shouldn't say that it is?  Which is it?  make up your mind.

Would people from FLA and NY still be angy?  Sure.  IS it logical to say "Well, if two states are going to be angry lets just ****** OFF THE REST OF THE WORLD"?


This isn't about "mememe" this is about some idiot at bioware announcing an "Epic community event" on multiple international sites that cater to tens of thousands of people when only a small percentage of those people are actually affected.

Your failure to comprehend how jst plain STUPID that is is just another shining example of the failure of the American education system.

 Sloth, I completely agree. I'm American (VA) and I am extremely dissapointed in Bioware today. The whole Countdown, "Epic Community Event" banner and it's only for a small portion of the actual community ???? Shame on you Bioware, either you have a "Community Event" for the entire community or not one at all. 

  I would ask that you do one thing though, keep the digs and insults pointed at the right party. The America digs are not really needed. One ignorant poster does not define an entire country.

[JBC4733]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Smaaen90 wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Smaaen90 wrote...
Second time you post this, and as someon else brought up, The Origins prelaunch had no problem doing this, and as he said, and I agree with, I find it hard to believe that out of all the countries in the world who have people playing any BioWare game (this case DA or ME) can't join this due to laws. Surely some, but not every single one, including two states.

It's way too far fetched.

Clearly there are legal barriers put into place all around the world, to prevent hazard, gambling, lotteries and all kinds of unchristian behaviour, especially if said song and dance comes from the great satan, Amerika.

Clearly.

That made me chuckle ^^

Though, I'm quite sure you saw the logic in what I wrote, despite your puns (: And, I didn't say there weren't any legal barriers at all, just saying it's far fetched that it's the one reason no one else besides america and two of their states, can't participate.

I saw it. I just wanted to spell out what it seems the americans are thinking. They have a hard time relating to nations other than their own, so it's always funny to point fingers and them and laugh whenever they go all "But.. but.. it's outside america! There cannot possibly be anything there! I'm sure it's your fault, because of your silly laws against americans!".

I live in Pennsylvania, and you, in my opinion, have valid reason to be pissed off.

[Wonderllama4]

Bioware hurt my feelings.... I'm gonna go cry in my pillow. *sob*

[Volleyjeff]

Only one Bioware travel mug is to be given away... bummer. Seriously, that's what I want! Come on, Bioware, put up at least 50 of those things - I need 'em for work!

[DragonRageGT]

Deleted the 1st one... this one is better!

Dragon Age - BioWare's Map of the World - EPIC FAIL

Why do I keep listening "From Yesterday - in his face is the map of the world... the map of the world" in my head is beyond me... it does not play in this vid!

[Layn]

RDOT wrote...

If I wanted useless crap I would just log onto E-Bay.

you can win free fan stuff. sounds awesome to me. sure, something else might have been cooler, but winning free stuff is always nice.

now i remembered this old map:

Modifié par Crrash, 29 mars 2010 - 08:39 .

[Volourn]

The butthurt her eis embarassing. BIo doesn't owe us anything. Just ebcause you buy their games and already get that out of it means nothing. They are not your buddies, or family. Just like you don't care about BIO either. You want stuff for selfish reasons as do they. Don't try to pretend they morally owe us anything.]



They are a business who are into selling GAMES for a PROFIT not social services.



It should be real simple. You like the games they make buy them. If not, don't. Otehr than that, they owe us absolutely nothing.



While it sucks this is the way the current contest is going. *shrug* That's life. Don't be so butthurt over it.



And, they did nothing wrong either by not revealing earlier that certain countries/states would be barred from participation. The whole point of a countdown reveal is to reveal soemthing at the end of it. L0L



The people in the wrong are the people crying over not being able to participate ina contest because theya re greedy and want 'free' stuff and are now mad because BIO are 'greedy' and are their bossom buddies. Ha.

[the_one_54321]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

There is a difference between being excluded, and being mislead and then excluded. Personally, I couldn't give a **** about their marketing ploy prize giveaway and wouldn't participate if I could. What angers me (and many others if you took the time to read the posts here before spewing nonsense) is the fact that Bioware implied that this was to be a worldwide event (calling something a community event when your community is worldwide implies total inclusion).

Do you honestly believe that half of these people wouldn't complain just as hard, even if BioWare said "US-only," just out not being able to participate?

[MAXIMUS667]

I feel left out.



I want my money back.......

[Katie3G]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

There is a difference between being excluded, and being mislead and then excluded.   Personally, I couldn't give a **** about their marketing ploy prize giveaway and wouldn't participate if I could.   What angers me (and many others if you took the time to read the posts here before spewing nonsense) is the fact that Bioware implied that this was to be a worldwide event (calling something a community event when your community is worldwide implies total inclusion).

Bioware mislead and implicitly lied to the majority of the very community that they claim to be "thanking".  I don't know how the irony of that can be lost on you.

Just because something is bound to ****** off a small percentage of people does not mean that logically you should engineer it to ****** off a majority.  What kind of logical fallacy is that?  Seriously...think about ti for a minute...if you go in to a bar with a shirt bashing the gay community you are going to ****** a couple people off.  Does that mean it would be better for you to wear the shirt, then start grabbing people at random and punch them in the face since "Hey...someone will be pissed off anyways"

I agree with you.  I also find the selective focus on the US somewhat insulting because the contest is in celebration of BioWare's 15th anniversary.  It feels as though only US customers are to be appreciated for their 15 years of business.

[fchopin]

Countdown to abandonment, i am from UK so thank you.

[lisakover]

Oh well I'll still enjoy Bioware games in the future, they just won't be profiting from it.

[Fraevar]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Delerius_Jedi wrote...
Incredibly disappointed in how this event has been handled. The US only caveat should have been posted up front. I have to say I'm disappointed in how BioWare are treating their international audience. First the Dr Pepper DLC fiasco, now this.

Very disappointing, BioWare/EA.

I would have agreed with you but, IT'S NOT EVEN US-ONLY!! Two US states are excluded from the contest as well.

EPIC 5O UNITED STATES EXCEPT NEW YORK AND FLORIDA COMMUNITY EVENT!! sound really stupid.

It does sound really stupid, so perhaps they should not have done the countdown or this other billing and just posted the contest with the rules in plain sight without all that stupid false buildup. I'm rather simplistic when it comes to things like this - do it right or don't do it at all. In this case "right" would mean every BioWare community member got a chance to participate and now I'd just rather they hadn't done this at all. What has this whole thing really done save cause people to get intensely factional?

[Smaaen90]

Cat Lance wrote....

How is it far fetched to think that a very
weird points system/auction contest that is not how most giveaways are
handled at all would end up being in contradiction to lots of countries
laws? That is a really odd viewpoint to me.

Think you misunderstood, of course there will be some conflict with laws, but
according to international trading law can't be the sole reason that
every single country out there, apart from US can't participate, but
lets say it is.. Why can't New York and Florica participate, are they
not in the same country?  Isn't a New Yorkers passport as legit as someone from Washington?

JBC4733 wrote..

I live in Pennsylvania, and you, in my opinion, have valid reason to be pissed off.

I'm
not as much pissed off as I'm at a loss, I just want an official
statement as to why it's like this, then I'd feel less annoyed over it.

Obtusifolius wrote...

Smaaen90 wrote...

RDOT wrote...

HAHAHAHAHAHA epic announcement!! First Awakenings is a total overpriced flop, and now this stupid auction only 1/4 of the community can participate in??

If I wanted useless crap I would just log onto E-Bay. I'm officially done with Dragon Age, and Bioware in general.

 Take care then. See you the moment DLC or expansion or anything new comes out.

That's highly presumptuous, don't you think...? It is possible for people to put their principles before their greed, even if it is depressingly unusual.

Yes, it is a little presumptuous, I agree. Though, then again, a person who is mad/annoyed will oft say things in one heated moment, then the next something completely different. Where-as this person might actually mean it, I find it highly unlikely.

Modifié par Smaaen90, 29 mars 2010 - 08:44 .

[Dokarqt]

Crrash wrote...

you can win free fan stuff. sounds awesome to me. sure, something else might have been cooler, but winning free stuff is always nice.

now i remembered this old map:

Haha I remember that map, always makes me laugh.