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[imran shah]

nice work ppl

[Angband21]

The flies flew in from the barn and clustered around the monitor.



Whoever heard of putting an event together, developing the prize list, getting the other companies onboard, and then at the last minute, running it past legal to see if it can work?



That is doing things backassward. How close to the launch did they get Legal's advice? As the seconds counted down? Even with a days notice they could have put a blurb on the site to come up with the announcement.



Think folks, and don't be so eager to swallow the feces just to get that good feeling.

[Dallo]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

<snip>



Last year, during the final weeks of ye olde Mass Effect forum, BioWare gave us the [/b]Gift of the Yeti Facebook game. Each play of the game had BioWare raise a penny for gamer children's charity Child's Play, up to a total of $10.000 USD.

What we ask of BioWare is to repeat this act of kindness. To allow not only every ineligible member of the community, but also every willing legible one to donate his or her Tokens to Child's Play. Whatever a single Token might be worth in US or Canadian dollars is up to BioWare (and EA, I guess) to decide, the same goes for the maximum amount of money set aside for donation.

In the end, this solution will likely prove to be the best for each of the involved parties: BioWare/EA can not only set this incident/miscommunication straight, but also get some good publicity out of this. The community members which were not allowed to participate, can participate for a good cause. And let us not forget Child's Play, which will be allowed to help even more children.

We have saved Ferelden from the Darkspawn, we have fought for the lost, now let us Fight for the Children.

Modifié par Dallo, 30 mars 2010 - 10:37 .

[Leon Elsa]

Angband21 wrote...

The flies flew in from the barn and clustered around the monitor.

Whoever heard of putting an event together, developing the prize list, getting the other companies onboard, and then at the last minute, running it past legal to see if it can work?

That is doing things backassward. How close to the launch did they get Legal's advice? As the seconds counted down? Even with a days notice they could have put a blurb on the site to come up with the announcement.

Think folks, and don't be so eager to swallow the feces just to get that good feeling.

Amen brother.

[VanDraegon]

So, unless i am missing something.....to participate in this contest i must use facebook and/or twitter?

[Layn]

dunno about facebook, so far i've only seen it on twitter. anyway, you should already have around 5500 tokens without having to do the challenges, should be enough to win something off the bazaar

[Nighteye2]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I know many of you have been waiting for word from BioWare on the BioWare Bazaar and our Community. Sorry to make you wait, but we wanted to make sure you understood how important all of our Community are to us. As such, we went right to the top for a response.

See this thread:
http://social.biowar...3/index/1988326




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That's good to hear, although it would have been nice to get that reply sooner. You could have stated right away that the intent had been for a worldwide event but that you ran into some legal difficulties.

Anyway, apology accepted.

[FrostyLazer]

Hey we got an apology.



Thats more then I expected. Still not to happy about it, but at least feeling a lot better now they apologized. Thanks for that Chris, Greg and Ray. Looking forward to what events the rest of the year will hold.

[lisakover]

Screw you Bioware, apology not accepted.

[Nukenin]

Ray Muzyka wrote...

[…]
BioWare definitely really values all members of our world-wide Community, no matter where you live.  Accordingly, in the coming weeks, we will be announcing details about future events specifically for fans living in those territories which were excluded from participating in the first BioWare Bazaar.  The future events will be a bit different from the first Bazaar in how they’re set up and structured, but our goal is to feature the same caliber of awesome prizes and great BioWare collectibles.  We’ll announce more details in the coming weeks
[…]

(emphasis mine)

Hopefully they've learned that from now on they need to be as upfront as feasible about the whos and wheres of any future community events.  I think that will go a long way to unruffle some feathers.

I'm just envisioning a hypothetical "New Yorkers only, except NYC" event, or "Floridians only, except Greater Orlando" event.  Then "NYC only, except Queens" and "Greater Orlando, Florida only, except Dr. Phillips."

Then, of course, as the year of celebration draws perilously closer to a close, the last-minute "Queens, NY; Dr. Phillips, FL; oh, and we almost forgot: Australasia!  Just not Christchurch."

Then as the last seconds tick away, "Christchurch, NZ; McMurdo Station, Antarctica; and, oh crap!, Belgium!  Except Namur!"

Then of course those Bioware fans and customers stuck in the only place on the planet that Bioware never got around to covering will take to the forums with their own "I used to be in the community, now I just live in Namur" banners.

 (with apologies to those Bioware fans and customers living in Namur—you've been warned!)

[Trefalen]

Make the rewards useable in game, and there would be no problem. Tshirts.. feh

[purplesunset]

lisakover wrote...

Screw you Bioware, apology not accepted.

This extreme response makes more sense to me than the other extremes who turned a complete 180 and said, "Thank you Bioware....for saying the obvious. I love you ! <3"

Huh?


Throughout this entire thread, people have been saying that legal obstacles was the reason why it couldn't be more widespread, so that was already known.

To the people who have turned a 180 after hearing from Bioware, did you actually  think that Bioware sat down and said, "muwahaha, let's screw those Europeans over. *strokes his cat diabolically*"   How absurd.


I thought people were raging at things like:

misleading leadup and marketing
promotion (countdown timer, epicness, dev posts etc.)

spending zots, and money on things like this, when some people still have serious but unfixed bugs in their game that need addressing


I guess principles are officially an old -fashioned, out-of-date concept like the horse and buggy.

[Yrkoon]

purplesunset wrote...

lisakover wrote...

Screw you Bioware, apology not accepted.

This extreme response makes more sense to me than the other extremes who turned a complete 180 and said, "Thank you Bioware....for saying the obvious. I love you ! <3"

Huh?


Throughout this entire thread, people have been saying that legal obstacles was the reason why it couldn't be more widespread, so that was already known.

To the people who have turned a 180 after hearing from Bioware, did you actually  think that Bioware sat down and said, "muwahaha, let's screw those Europeans over. *strokes his cat diabolically*"   How absurd.


I thought people were raging at things like:

misleading leadup and marketing
promotion (countdown timer, epicness, dev posts etc.)

spending zots, and money on things like this, when some people still have serious but unfixed bugs in their game that need addressing


I guess principles are officially an old -fashioned, out-of-date concept like the horse and buggy.

Amen.

Did you guys actually read this response from Muzyka and  Zeschuk closely?


Here's what they said:

1) We're sorry for pissing you guys off...  we ran into legal problems and so we had to exclude most of you from the 'celebration'.  (translation:  I know we promised you that this would be an epic community event, but it turned out to be  a much smaller  national community event... sorry for lying)

2) We vaguely promise to make it up to you in the future.  (Translation:  Please accept  a deferred promise from us, now.  We won't burn you again.  tee-hee)

3)  Oh, guess what!  despite your rage, this Bazaar is a HUGE success so far!  (translation:  Muahahahahaha!)

4)  Thank you!  (translation:  Muahahahah!  we got your money.  so thanks for that!


^you know what?  screw you, bioware. 

Modifié par Yrkoon, 31 mars 2010 - 01:44 .

[purplesunset]

Yrkoon wrote...
Amen.

Did you guys actually read this response from Muzyka and  Zeschuk closely?


Here's what they said:

1) We're sorry for pissing you guys off...  we ran into legal problems and so we had to exclude most of you from the 'celebration'.  (translation:  I know we promised you that this would be an epic community event, but it turned out to be  a much smaller  national community event... sorry for lying)

2) We vaguely promise to make it up to you in the future.  (Translation:  Please accept  a deferred promise from us, now.  We won't burn you again.  tee-hee)

3)  Oh, guess what!  despite your rage, this Bazaar is a HUGE success so far!  (translation:  Muahahahahaha!)

4)  Thank you!  (translation:  Muahahahah!  we got your money.  so thanks for that!


^you know what?  screw you, bioware. 

I partially  agree with you.  I do NOT think Bioware has sunk to those depths as yet. I don't think Bioware is sitting in a dark corner twirling his moustache menacingly. ( 'cause we all know that a villain without  a moustache is worthless)

I think what's happening is that the times have changed, and they are doing what they feel they must to survive financially. Unfortunately, they feel that it must involve doing things which are highly unprincipled. It's the difference between a cutpurse who feels he is doing what he must to survive and a rich tax collector who desires even more money from the starving peasants. Both are villains, but the former justifies it to himself by saying that he must do it (while completely ignoring other legal and ethical options)

I don't think Bioware has reached the point of the tax collector. That's a whole other level of villain who doesn't even need to justify it to himself.

------------------------


ooops, it seems that discussions from my college classes are spilling out here

[Angband21]

Leon Elsa wrote...

Angband21 wrote...

The flies flew in from the barn and clustered around the monitor.

Whoever heard of putting an event together, developing the prize list, getting the other companies onboard, and then at the last minute, running it past legal to see if it can work?

That is doing things backassward. How close to the launch did they get Legal's advice? As the seconds counted down? Even with a days notice they could have put a blurb on the site to come up with the announcement.

Think folks, and don't be so eager to swallow the feces just to get that good feeling.

Amen brother.

I see another cynic.... were you perchance ever in the corporate world?

[ZaroktheImmortal]

purplesunset wrote...

To the people who have turned a 180 after hearing from Bioware, did you actually  think that Bioware sat down and said, "muwahaha, let's screw those Europeans over. *strokes his cat diabolically*"   How absurd.

[Direct Intervention Is Necessary]

THANKS FOR THE EPIC HYPE FAIL OF A COUNTDOWN TO BECOME AN AMERICAN VIRAL MARKETER BIOWARE

let everyone use their tokens to donate THE PRIZES to the hospital of their choice!

http://www.childsplaycharity.org/

that OR CANCEL THIS FAILURE OF AN SELF PROMOTION INTERNET AD


http://www.childsplaycharity.org/

BACKUP IMAGE OF POST: http://img249.images...49/3433/d12.png

BAZAAR LOOPHOLE 1: GET POINTS BY REGISTERING XBOX/PS3 GAME UPC ON SITE FOR FREE

Mass Effect 2 XBox 360 UPC -- 1463315982
Dragon Age Origins XBox 360 UPC -- 014633159806
Dragon Age Origins PS3 UPC -- 014633159790
Dragon Age Awakening PS3 UPC -- 014633194203
Dragon Age Awakening XBox 360 UPC -- 014633193992

LOOPHOLE 2: USE TRANSLATORS/PROXIES TO REPEATEDLY CLICK YOUR LINK

http://translate.google.com/
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/
http://www.systransoft.com/
http://www.torproject.org/

BIOWARE BAZAR LOOPHOLE BROUGHT TO YOU BY BIOWARE BAZAAR SPONSOR COMPETITORS::
http://www.hp.com/
http://www.apple.com/
http://www.lenovo.com/
http://www.toshiba.com/
http://www.asus.com/
http://www.acer.com/
http://www.samsung.com/
http://www.powernotebooks.com/

http://www.intel.com/
http://www.nvidia.com/

http://www.amazon.co.../dp/B001D8XE1A/
http://www.amazon.co.../dp/B0017ONH8K/
http://www.amazon.co.../dp/B000KZ34B2/

http://www.crucial.com/
http://www.gskill.com/
http://www.corsair.com/

http://www.hitachigst.com/
http://www.seagate.com/

THIS HURTS YOUUUUUUU

[TrueWindoze]

lol wow

[lisakover]

Direct Intervention Is Necessary wrote...

THANKS FOR THE EPIC HYPE FAIL OF A COUNTDOWN TO BECOME AN AMERICAN VIRAL MARKETER BIOWARE

let everyone use their tokens to donate THE PRIZES to the hospital of their choice!

http://www.childsplaycharity.org/

that OR CANCEL THIS FAILURE OF AN SELF PROMOTION INTERNET AD


http://www.childsplaycharity.org/

BACKUP IMAGE OF POST: http://img249.images...49/3433/d12.png

BAZAAR LOOPHOLE 1: GET POINTS BY REGISTERING XBOX/PS3 GAME UPC ON SITE FOR FREE

Mass Effect 2 XBox 360 UPC -- 1463315982
Dragon Age Origins XBox 360 UPC -- 014633159806
Dragon Age Origins PS3 UPC -- 014633159790
Dragon Age Awakening PS3 UPC -- 014633194203
Dragon Age Awakening XBox 360 UPC -- 014633193992

LOOPHOLE 2: USE TRANSLATORS/PROXIES TO REPEATEDLY CLICK YOUR LINK

http://translate.google.com/
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/
http://www.systransoft.com/
http://www.torproject.org/

BIOWARE BAZAR LOOPHOLE BROUGHT TO YOU BY BIOWARE BAZAAR SPONSOR COMPETITORS::
http://www.hp.com/
http://www.apple.com/
http://www.lenovo.com/
http://www.toshiba.com/
http://www.asus.com/
http://www.acer.com/
http://www.samsung.com/
http://www.powernotebooks.com/

http://www.intel.com/
http://www.nvidia.com/

http://www.amazon.co.../dp/B001D8XE1A/
http://www.amazon.co.../dp/B0017ONH8K/
http://www.amazon.co.../dp/B000KZ34B2/

http://www.crucial.com/
http://www.gskill.com/
http://www.corsair.com/

http://www.hitachigst.com/
http://www.seagate.com/

THIS HURTS YOUUUUUUU

epic

[Varenus Luckmann]

lisakover wrote...
Screw you Bioware, apology not accepted.

This.

Anyone who accepts this mock "apology" is dumber than a rock.

[Poleaxe]

So much to see in this thread, and none of it good.

National inferiority complexes. Consumer insecurity about whether their favorite company cares about them.  Rabble-rousers rousing rabble.  Outrage!  An incredibly immature sense of scale.

And this post isn't any better. Sigh.

[Nukenin]

Since each game/expansion registration option for tokens has a corresponding "NO PURCHASE NECESSARY" quiz that can be completed for the same token reward, the only impact of listing the UPC codes is if Bioware rewards multiple tokens for multiple registrations of the games/expansion tied to the same account.  They don't specify whether or not someone can gain multiple installments of the token rewards for multiple registrations, though they do specify you can only get the token reward for each game/expansion by either registering or completing the quiz, but not both.

As for the referral link clicks, note that they only count 10 unique clicks per day up through 500 points (i.e. 50 days worth of clicking the link 10 times per day), then only one click per day thereafter.

So nobody is going to be rolling in illicit points from referral link abuse, other than making quiet personal fools of themselves if they get carried away before they realize there is a daily cap that's quite low.

Hurt them?  Not one bloody bit.  They did a better job of hurting themselves by not being proactive on damage control (e.g. not proceeding with this until they had a lock on who all would be able to participate, then exercising care to manage expectations accordingly).

I suspect some of the nerdrage is self-fueled now, and nothing Bioware can do will be able to quench those flames.

I myself vented and am back to merrily playing Dragon Age.  

[Silensfurtim]

lol

[Blessed Silence]

Oh dear ...



Didn't expect this.



Well being in the US, and though I can do the Auction, I will refrain from them. Least I can do for those not able to be a part of it.

[Blessed Silence]

Hm, well reading the apology ...

... and rolling my eyes since so many here said it was laws in the way (of course we ALL knew that was the reason and not hating on other countries) ...

... still won't participate.  Eh.

Modifié par Blessed Silence, 31 mars 2010 - 06:57 .