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[Fathis Munk]

Cartims wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

So, this is not open to Canadians?

Open to all BW rejects

Or closed. I guess

[Biometry]

:'(

[Feraele]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Wow. Bioware, a Canadian company, and a great one at that. You could have held the Canadian flag high, but you just cater to them americans. . I can fully understand their reasoning here, although it still sucks.

I think we can probably say, that Bioware's Canadian identity...has no influence whatsoever on EA's marketing ploys.

In future I will not be taken in by anything they do,  particularly count-downs on websites.

[Nuviker]

This contest is really dissapointing.

I'm in Québec. I didn't have to check the rules to know I wasn't in since we never get any contest because of our laws.  I do think the laws are a major reason as for why the other countries are not involved. So I'm really immune to the dissapointement others have expressed here. On the other hand, I am immune to the dissapointment of not being able to participate to the contest, not the one inspired by the mechanisms of the contest or the ''community event'' as a whole.

1- There is no good reason not to include Canada (without Québec). I'm not saying this to say there wasn't any good reason to exclude me, as I wouldn't be in anyway, but not including Canada really leaves me speechless.  This isn't a case of ''too complicated''. I can understand why you wouldn't want to check 115 different contest rules to include the whole world, but Canada isn't just another random country. There is a long standing tradition making contests available on the other side of the border for both canadian and american companies and even the smallest ones have the means to make their contests open to everyone. Bioware is from Canada, EA is well established here with EA Canada. There isn't any shipping issue. Contests from both EA and Bioware have included Canada before, even less meaningful contests (win a signed game type). So they really know the procedure and the general howto. Also if the trouble of adding extra rules or checking with their lawyers was worth it in smaller contests, they can't say it was too much trouble for their big ''epic'' 15 years anniversary one.

I'm left with the conclusion that the reason is that they changed their minds since the last contest, which included Canada. Canadians are not important enough anymore to be worth the little extra effort.


2- The auction type of contest is a bad idea. The whole referral thing is horrible, as is the use of twitter. How can anyone not think it'll be some contest professional that will win the best prizes instead of a true fan? Internet wizards with scripts and multiple accounts will have so many more clicks on  their individual link and many more twitter bonuses than a normal fan ever could get by participating. Internet contests aren't new. Some persons have strategies to win them by now and this type of contest makes it easier for them. This type of contest is simply a shot at free advertizement rather than being about rewarding fans.


3- Why not do something else? An inside bioware video with a couple of real time QA type of chat? Ingame items or bonuses or DLCs as rewards for participating to the events? Explain why you should be in our next game as a character type of thing? Have bio devs build your short DA module from your 5 pages fan fic? We don't need a 62 000$ prize pool to be happy and that way nobody would feel lefted out.

Modifié par Nuviker, 29 mars 2010 - 07:44 .

[Fathis Munk]

Feraele wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Wow. Bioware, a Canadian company, and a great one at that. You could have held the Canadian flag high, but you just cater to them americans. . I can fully understand their reasoning here, although it still sucks.

I think we can probably say, that Bioware's Canadian identity...has no influence whatsoever on EA's marketing ploys.

In future I will not be taken in by anything they do,  particularly count-downs on websites.

It's sad they wasted their credibility that way.

[Fathis Munk]

Nuviker wrote...

This contest is really dissapointing.

I'm in Québec. I didn't have to check the rules to know I wasn't in since we never get any contest because of our laws.  I do think the laws are a major reason as for why the other countries are not involved. So I'm really immune to the dissapointement others have expressed here. On the other hand, I am immune to the dissapointment of not being able to participate to the contest, not the one inspired by the mechanisms of the contest or the ''community event'' as a whole.

1- There is no good reason not to include Canada (without Québec). I'm not saying this to say there wasn't any good reason to exclude me, as I wouldn't be in anyway, but not including Canada really leaves me speechless.  This isn't a case of ''too complicated''. I can understand why you wouldn't want to check 115 different contest rules to include the whole world, but Canada isn't just another random country. There is a long standing tradition making contests available on the other side of the border for both canadian and american companies and even the smallest ones have the means to make their contests open to everyone. Bioware is from Canada, EA is well established here with EA Canada. There isn't any shipping issue. Contests from both EA and Bioware have included Canada before, even less meaningful contests (win a signed game type). So they really know the procedure and the general howto. Also if the trouble of adding extra rules or checking with their lawyers was worth it in smaller contests, they can't say it was too much trouble for their big ''epic'' 15 years anniversary one.

I'm left with the conclusion that the reason is that they changed their minds since the last contest, which included Canada. Canadians are not important enough anymore to be worth the little extra effort.


2- The auction type of contest is a bad idea. The whole referral thing is horrible, as is the use of twitter. How can anyone not think it'll be some contest professional that will win the best prizes instead of a true fan? Internet wizards with scripts and multiple accounts will have so many more clicks on  their individual link and many more twitter bonuses than a normal fan ever could get by participating. Internet contests aren't new. Some persons have strategies to win them by now and this type of contest makes it easier for them. This type of contest is simply a shot at free advertizement rather than being about rewarding fans.


3- Why not do something else? An inside bioware video with a couple of real time QA type of chat? Ingame items or bonuses or DLCs as rewards for participating to the events? Explain why you should be in our next game as a character type of thing? Have bio devs build your short DA module from your 5 pages fan fic? We don't need a 62 000$ prize pool to be happy and that way nobody would feel lefted out.

+1

[DragonRageGT]

woot... I'm a member of the non-member community now!

[redleafchewer]

After reading the rules, I see it is indeed an EA sponsered and run contest.
"By participating in the Competition, you agree to be bound by these Official Rules and by any other requirements set out in the promotional material, which may be amended or varied at any time by EA, and you reaffirm you agreement to be bound by EA Online Terms and Conditions."
and...
"Your participation in the Competition is also governed by EA's Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. These contracts can be found at [http://legal.ea.com/...sp?language=en] You agreed to the EA Online Terms and Conditions when you created your Bioware Account.
If there is any conflict between these Official Rules and the EA Online Terms and Conditions, then the EA Online Terms and Conditions will take precedence to the extent of that conflict."

This is pure EA marketing, run by EA on an EA owned Forum, the only thing Bioware about it it the trademarked brand, also owned by EA, so no it is not a Canadian company responsible, it is a US company.

It's also pure laziness on their part since involving the rest of the world probably would require additional effort and expense.

Those of us familiar with EA and their methods of milking a cow to extinction should feel right at home.  

Whats next? Dragon Age ... The Sims expansion?

[Fathis Munk]

http://social.biowar...774/polls/3918/



Been there ? (Sorry for bothering you all, but those things are accurate only if you get a lot of participants)

[Kurokenshi]

Nuviker wrote...

3- Why not do something else? An inside bioware video with a couple of real time QA type of chat? Ingame items or bonuses or DLCs as rewards for participating to the events? Explain why you should be in our next game as a character type of thing? Have bio devs build your short DA module from your 5 pages fan fic? We don't need a 62 000$ prize pool to be happy and that way nobody would feel lefted out.

Yeah but excluding fans based on geographical location is so much more fun!

[Sloth Of Doom]

Nuviker wrote...

This contest is really dissapointing.

I'm in Québec. I didn't have to check the rules to know I wasn't in since we never get any contest because of our laws.  I do think the laws are a major reason as for why the other countries are not involved. So I'm really immune to the dissapointement others have expressed here. On the other hand, I am immune to the dissapointment of not being able to participate to the contest, not the one inspired by the mechanisms of the contest or the ''community event'' as a whole.

1- There is no good reason not to include Canada (without Québec). I'm not saying this to say there wasn't any good reason to exclude me, as I wouldn't be in anyway, but not including Canada really leaves me speechless.  This isn't a case of ''too complicated''. I can understand why you wouldn't want to check 115 different contest rules to include the whole world, but Canada isn't just another random country. There is a long standing tradition making contests available on the other side of the border for both canadian and american companies and even the smallest ones have the means to make their contests open to everyone. Bioware is from Canada, EA is well established here with EA Canada. There isn't any shipping issue. Contests from both EA and Bioware have included Canada before, even less meaningful contests (win a signed game type). So they really know the procedure and the general howto. Also if the trouble of adding extra rules or checking with their lawyers was worth it in smaller contests, they can't say it was too much trouble for their big ''epic'' 15 years anniversary one.

I'm left with the conclusion that the reason is that they changed their minds since the last contest, which included Canada. Canadians are not important enough anymore to be worth the little extra effort.


2- The auction type of contest is a bad idea. The whole referral thing is horrible, as is the use of twitter. How can anyone not think it'll be some contest professional that will win the best prizes instead of a true fan? Internet wizards with scripts and multiple accounts will have so many more clicks on  their individual link and many more twitter bonuses than a normal fan ever could get by participating. Internet contests aren't new. Some persons have strategies to win them by now and this type of contest makes it easier for them. This type of contest is simply a shot at free advertizement rather than being about rewarding fans.


3- Why not do something else? An inside bioware video with a couple of real time QA type of chat? Ingame items or bonuses or DLCs as rewards for participating to the events? Explain why you should be in our next game as a character type of thing? Have bio devs build your short DA module from your 5 pages fan fic? We don't need a 62 000$ prize pool to be happy and that way nobody would feel lefted out.

As a squarehead it is probably against a rule for me to agree with one of you poutine-eaters, but I have to say that this is spot-on.

[Fathis Munk]

redleafchewer wrote...

After reading the rules, I see it is indeed an EA sponsered and run contest.
"By participating in the Competition, you agree to be bound by these Official Rules and by any other requirements set out in the promotional material, which may be amended or varied at any time by EA, and you reaffirm you agreement to be bound by EA Online Terms and Conditions."
and...
"Your participation in the Competition is also governed by EA's Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. These contracts can be found at [http://legal.ea.com/...sp?language=en] You agreed to the EA Online Terms and Conditions when you created your Bioware Account.
If there is any conflict between these Official Rules and the EA Online Terms and Conditions, then the EA Online Terms and Conditions will take precedence to the extent of that conflict."

This is pure EA marketing, run by EA on an EA owned Forum, the only thing Bioware about it it the trademarked brand, also owned by EA, so no it is not a Canadian company responsible, it is a US company.

It's also pure laziness on their part since involving the rest of the world probably would require additional effort and expense.

Those of us familiar with EA and their methods of milking a cow to extinction should feel right at home.  

Whats next? Dragon Age ... The Sims expansion?

Don't say that, you'll give 'em ideas !

Problem is, even if it is EA, it says Bioware on the package, so our trust is still broken

[Fathis Munk]

Currently at 75% outcasts



Viva la Revolucion, let's overthrow EA and run Bioware by ourselves !

[redleafchewer]

Fathis Munk wrote...

redleafchewer wrote...

After reading the rules, I see it is indeed an EA sponsered and run contest.
"By participating in the Competition, you agree to be bound by these Official Rules and by any other requirements set out in the promotional material, which may be amended or varied at any time by EA, and you reaffirm you agreement to be bound by EA Online Terms and Conditions."
and...
"Your participation in the Competition is also governed by EA's Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. These contracts can be found at [http://legal.ea.com/...sp?language=en] You agreed to the EA Online Terms and Conditions when you created your Bioware Account.
If there is any conflict between these Official Rules and the EA Online Terms and Conditions, then the EA Online Terms and Conditions will take precedence to the extent of that conflict."

This is pure EA marketing, run by EA on an EA owned Forum, the only thing Bioware about it it the trademarked brand, also owned by EA, so no it is not a Canadian company responsible, it is a US company.

It's also pure laziness on their part since involving the rest of the world probably would require additional effort and expense.

Those of us familiar with EA and their methods of milking a cow to extinction should feel right at home.  

Whats next? Dragon Age ... The Sims expansion?

Don't say that, you'll give 'em ideas !

Problem is, even if it is EA, it says Bioware on the package, so our trust is still broken

Sorry about the Sims statement, I guess to me, it quit really being Bioware the day EA was added to the packaging. 

[DasHenne]

Bioware... can't you just dump EA somewhere again? Really... It feels like you are possessed... or something... :/

[ThDenk]

<< Thought he was member of the community but than the countdown hits zero :-(

Modifié par ThDenk, 29 mars 2010 - 08:07 .

[Menthi44]

I believe it is a disgrace that you have hyped up this whole thing for -everyone- when you have only made it available for people in the United States, even then there are two states excluded for an unknown reason. I live in Australia, does that mean you don't care about your customers outside your country?



I was really looking forward to whatever the timer was counting down on; only to be met by disappointment because you have favoured a group of other people of the -same- "Community", first Alienware did this to us with their promotional DLC, now you guys have.



Way to go Bioware, I hope you choke on your favourite portion of your consumers.

[addiction21]

Where is the "I used to be part of the community and I still am!!" banner?

[Tiroka]

What happens if my twitter name is different then that of my BioWare account? How would i earn the points for answering the questions?

[Sloth Of Doom]

addiction21 wrote...

Where is the "I used to be part of the community and I still am!!" banner?

I put it on that plate of waffles over....hey...where did it go?

[DragonRageGT]

Ser Isely wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

What really gets me here is how mad people are getting at the whole "community" part when really the whole thing itself is just a marketing gimmick thats attempting to turn registered BioWare game users into viral marketeers for EA.

I mean I'm eligible and I&nbsp;don't give a flying fluck about this. Its just some EA&nbsp;marketing shark's brilliant idea to turn mindless BW fans into adbots on various social networks, for EA products in exchange for a CHANCE at winning stuff we can already BUY&nbsp;in about 80% of cases.

Its basically just marketing, and anyone mad about not being included in it is...might as well tattoo&nbsp;"CONSUMER&nbsp;WH*RE" on their foreheads and be done with it.

This whole deal is stupid, to be angry about not being allowed to participate is like being angry that you weren't chosen at the mall to take part in a "survey" that pays you 15 bucks if you go to several various stores in the mall and buy the equivalent of about 25 dollars worth of product from the stores to "evaluate" for the survey.

Its shark marketing, its EA making BW look like the biggest marketing wh*re in the gaming industry and frankly I'm disgusted with it.

BioWare can stand on its own two feet on the quality of their products alone. This crap is just crap.

What you need signature wise is one that says "I USED  TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY BUT THEN I GOT WISE TO EA'S MARKETING DIVISION AND DECIDED TO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO ANYTHING BIOWARE DOES UNLESS IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH A GAME."

Might be a bit big for a signature graphic.

Seriously people, get a grip, all you're missing out on here is the opportunity to be exploited and used by EA in a pilot marketing partnership between EA and several companies and BioWare is being used as the street corner pusher for the junk.

EDIT: Holy crap does this forum software have formatting issues.

Best comment yet.

Agreed with both of you! But it might bite them in the azz!

Spread it, RT it, FB it!

Dragon Age - BioWare's Map of the World - EPIC FAIL

Modifié par RageGT, 29 mars 2010 - 07:55 .

[Menthi44]

Bioware has plenty of money, why should they worry about shipping costs?