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[Xanfaus]

@Gorath Alpha



Will a dual core (Intel Pentium E2220) system using the Nvidia GeForce G100 (4 gigs Ram, Win 7 x64) be good enough to run ME2 or DA:O? I wanted to know before I try to buy them for the PC. I already own them for the xbox and PS3, respectively, but the mods are calling.

[Gorath Alpha]

I don't think a G.100 is as good as the G.210, and that one isn't good enough. I'll look it up, but the reason it's not on the list is because it ranks too low (I am fairly sure, anyway).

OK, www.techpowerup.com/87720/NVIDIA_OEM_GeForce_G_100_Series_Cards_Launched.html

It's the rebranded OEM version of a 9400 GS, and is equivalent to the "Practical Minimum" (the official minimum is a bad joke of a card, in the form of the old 6600 GT), but you shouldn't expect better than Low End performance at Low End resolutions and Low Image quality settings. 

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 22 avril 2010 - 07:50 .

[Xanfaus]

Well that's unfortunate. I had hoped that since ME2 is sort of playable on systems with a single core that a lower end graphics card would be able to run it at a reasonable rate.

Thanks regardless!

edit: By " Low End performance" I assume you mean extremely low fps or perhaps a more reasonable ~20ish. Also, thanks again for the unofficial tech support. 

edit2: You were definitely right about that "low performance stuff". My poor PC could only manage 25 fps in areas of little to no activity on Mass Effect 1 with medium settings so I'd imagine ME2 and DA:O are far out of my range.

Modifié par Xanfaus, 26 avril 2010 - 06:37 .

[Gorath Alpha]

Beyond the Business Quality video card, the Pentium Dual (that's what I am quite sure that particular E2xxx series is) is a butchered processor, treated as badly as a Celeron is, with the majority of the cache RAM ripped out, so it's not at all a full power processor like a C2D or Phenom. 

[Tyrax Lightning]

Hey Gorath, I just found a person here on this Site that has a AMD CPU & an Nvidia GeForce Graphics Card working together in the same build. I was always under the impression that mixing those 2 together was a bad idea, or at least, ill advised. Was this notion incorrect?

[adrichardson]

No reason why it shouldn't work. ATI don't engineer their chipsets to say "o noes its teh nvidia". You see the odd issue, but it's usually due to general incompatibilities, like trying to run a pcie 2.0 Nvidia card in pcie 1.0a slot



Xanfaus - don't bother, they'll look awful on something that low and will absolutely crawl. If it's a desktop PC, they're definitely worth a graphics card upgrade!

[Gorath Alpha]

Tyrax Lightning wrote...

Hey Gorath, I just found a person here on this Site that has a AMD CPU & an Nvidia GeForce Graphics Card working together in the same build. I was always under the impression that mixing those 2 together was a bad idea, or at least, ill advised. Was this notion incorrect?

I've been mixing and matching back and forth as long as the two have both existed with no problems I could identify as being related to any conflicts between chipsets and GPU chips.  I remember in the early days of AGP, when VIA was fairly careless with that video bus, and MANY different AGP cards wouldn't work with some Via chipsets built for Acer (Aladdin series of Super Socket 7 mainboards, for Pentium I, and AMD K6-2 / K6-3). 

The only special proviso for either one has always been their different ways to share GPUs as CrossFire or SLI. 

Right now, I am writing to you on a PC with an nVIDIA Nforce NF4 Ultra chipset (DFI LanParty), AMD X2 4600, and Radeon HD 3870, and everything works together sweetly.  

Gorath
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[Levi28001]

Tyrax Lightning wrote...

Hey Gorath, I just found a person here on this Site that has a AMD CPU & an Nvidia GeForce Graphics Card working together in the same build. I was always under the impression that mixing those 2 together was a bad idea, or at least, ill advised. Was this notion incorrect?

Yes, that is very incorrect.  However, issues can be had when mixing an onboard graphics amd board, with an nvidia card if you are not careful or do not know what you are doing (driver issues).

I have built two computers so far that are a mix, my current Phe II x3 with 260gtx and another with Phe II x3 with 9600gt both, however, are onboard nvidia grahpics chipsets with amd processors.

[Rhama]

Just curious but is it possible to upgrade the graphics card in a Gateway 5207u laptop? It currently uses a ATI Radeon HD 3200 card and runs games acceptably...

[Tyrax Lightning]

Figures. Good thing I double-checked this then. Many thanks!

[Gorath Alpha]

Rhama wrote...

Just curious but is it possible to upgrade the graphics card in a Gateway 5207u laptop? It currently uses a ATI Radeon HD 3200 card and runs games acceptably...

Laptops with only onboard chips, such as what you asked about (you have no "card"), don't have any internal connections to attach a real video card, if there was even any way to get them back apart enough to actually have access to where a card might have been, had there been one. 

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 05 mai 2010 - 07:16 .

[chao_elite]

GeForce 8200M G in a laptop will barely run the game on low settings is very laggy needs to be added to do not use list

[Ganondorf2002]

I've got two Nvidia 285's and they work just fine.

[Gorath Alpha]

chao_elite wrote...

GeForce 8200M G in a laptop will barely run the game on low settings is very laggy needs to be added to do not use list

The official list of unsupported graphics devices contains almost nothing that isn't an actual discrete video "Card".  Intel and S3 are named as unsupported, but S3 does make actual cards, while Intel does not.  AFAIK, all "8200" devices are strictly onboard (IGP) devices.  For my own uses around the forums, I have added some, as below, and the 8200 has been part of my unsupported, unofficial list, since this game was brand new. 

MINIMUM Graphics
Video Card = 256 MB (with Pixel Shader 3.0 support). Supported GPU Chips: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 or greater; ATI Radeon X1600 Pro or greater. Please note that NVIDIA GeForce 7100, 7200, 7300, 7400, 7500, 8100, 8200, 8300, 8400, 9200, and 9300; ATI Radeon HD 2400, 3100, 3200, HD 3450, HD 3470, HD 4200, and HD 4350 are below minimum system requirements. Updates to your video and sound card drivers may be required. Intel  and S3 video devices are not officially supported in Mass Effect 2.

RECOMMENDED
ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT, NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT, or better, recommended
NOTES: For the best results, make sure you have the latest drivers for your video and audio cards. Laptop or mobile versions of the above supported video cards have not had extensive testing and may have driver or other performance issues. As such, they are not officially supported in Mass Effect 2.  Intel  and S3 video devices are not officially supported in Mass Effect 2.

[Tyrax Lightning]

I was researching a possible laptop replacement for my mom found this. Is this for real?

http://www.amazon.co...howViewpoints=1

By Isaac E. Schwoch:

I purchased this laptop as a desktop replacement and I use it for
gaming, watching movies, writing software, and basic Microsoft Office
and web browsing tasks. Overall I am extremely pleased with it and
would highly recommend it to others. Here's the breakdown:



PROS:

- This is an extremely fast machine. It boots up in under a minute
with Windows 7 and I have yet to notice the occasional lag with starting
up programs that I experience with most Windows PC's.

!!! '- Newer games like "Dragon Age: Origins" run extremely well on this machine with all of the graphics maxed out' !!!

- The screen on this computer is beautiful. The color quality and
contrast are extremely good and there is a ton of screen real estate.
Some people have complained that it isn't full 1080p but I find that the
1680x945 resolution makes icons and text the perfect size for this size
of screen.

- Multitasking works great with a dual-core processor (four virtual
cores with hyperthreading) and 4GB of DDR3 RAM. I routinely have 12
Firefox tabs up while watching videos in iTunes and editing four or five
MS Office documents. A lot of computers don't like this but the Q860
handles it wonderfully.

- The battery life is over three hours, which is pretty good for
such a behemoth.



CONS:

- This is an extremely heavy laptop and I wouldn't recommend it for
frequent business travel. That being said, I do use this laptop for
grad school and haul it back and forth to class one day a week using a
Toshiba 18" gaming backpack and it isn't terrible on my back. I would
definitely recommend a backpack if you want to carry this thing around
as a normal laptop shoulder bag would probably destroy your neck and
shoulder.

- Both Toshiba and Amazon claim on their websites that this keyboard
is backlit but unfortunately, it isn't. Amazon customer service
handled this issue extremely well after I reported it, so I can't
complain about this too much. All X505-series keyboards are compatible
so you can probably pick up a backlit one off of eBay if that's a big
deal to you.

- There is a decent amount of junkware pre-installed on this system,
although not nearly as much as on the last Dell computer I bought.
It's kind of annoying that Toshiba does this on a high-performance
computer that will probably be purchased by people that don't want or
need it.



OVERALL:

- I did a large amount of research before buying this laptop and as
of this moment, there isn't a better value out there in gaming laptops
than this. It lacks some of the higher-end features such as dual
graphics cards, a 1080p display, and solid-state drives, but for the
money you can't do better than this. I am now selling both of my
desktops and I plan on making this my sole computer.


Is this guy for real?

Modifié par Tyrax Lightning, 10 mai 2010 - 09:04 .

[Levi28001]

Tyrax Lightning wrote...

Is this guy for real?

Tyrax Lightning wrote...

I

Is this guy for real?

Product Features


[*]2.26GHz Intel Core i5-430M Processor  Ok... not a very fast speed and only 2 cores at only 2.3 ghz, but good for labtop , however it Turbos to 2.6 ghz which is better

[*]4GB 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM Memory  Good

[*]500GB Serial ATA Hard Disk Drive (7200RPM); DVD Super Multi Drive Good, thats enough space for most, SATA is always a must now

[*]18.4" CCFL (16:9) 1680x945 Display; NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M Graphics,  Good, for a labtop graphics card

[*]Window 7 Home Premium 64-bit Good[/list] 
Power


[*]Rated Charge (normal use): 4.0 hours (Won't last that long gaming)
[/list]Overall Nice Specs, but watch for cooling issues as other reviews states..  Gaming labtops will get hottttt

It will play dragon age on at least High.

Just my 2 cents.
[*]From notebook check, from the major reviewers cnet etc.. it gets a Average Score: 75% - good

Modifié par Levi28001, 10 mai 2010 - 10:31 .

[Tyrax Lightning]

Wow, I really honestly didn't know there was ANY laptop at all that was a match for DA:O!

[Gorath Alpha]

Hmmm?  Wrong copy of the shader functions perfromance list after all (wanted the one for ME-2).  Sorry I recycled it without a current situation in mind. 

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 09 juin 2010 - 01:14 .

[Gorath Alpha]

It's been a month, now. 

[Truby-Liz]

I have a question. I'm getting a new laptop, and the graphics card is a ATI Radeon HD5470. Do you guys have any idea if this will run DA, even on low graphics? Here's a link to the specs http://www.amd.com/u...5470-specs.aspx I'm a newb at graphics cards, and my family have always had problems with them, so any help here would be much appreciated!

[Gorath Alpha]

The least powerful Radeon for Dragon Age is the (desktop) 5570.  There is no laptop card at any performance level that qualifies for official support.  Because the designers of all laptops are uninterested in performance, truly do not care that much at all, and instead are totally dedicated to light weight and to long battery life. 

It isn't possible to mix and match the primary design factors that are the rule in normal laptop production with gaming requirements, unless we are talking about a lap[top with a much higher price and a much greater weight.  It's called a "desktop replacement" PC, and has short battery life, is not expected to actually be used on battery power alone for other than rare occasions,  and normally has a switch to do that on an included onboard chip instead of the discrete video card it uses for game play. 

Gorath
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[Truby-Liz]

Do you think it won't play it, then? :S I can't afford to get a more-expensive laptop, my budget is £600 and that was the best card I could find after comparing it with other laptops for the same price. *My comparisons based on Notebookcheck* TBH I can stand a bit of lag, even on lowest settings... *Here's the manufacturers specs for it http://www.amd.com/u...5470-specs.aspx *

[Gorath Alpha]

Truby-Liz wrote...

Do you think it won't play it, then? :S I can't afford to get a more-expensive laptop, my budget is £600 and that was the best card I could find after comparing it with other laptops for the same price. *My comparisons based on Notebookcheck* TBH I can stand a bit of lag, even on lowest settings... *Here's the manufacturers specs for it http://www.amd.com/u...5470-specs.aspx *

Everyone is different.  However, just to be a little bit of a picker at nits (mis-typed, now edited), there cannot be any "Lag" when there is no multi-player element and attendant transmission time potentials for delay.  The general term allows lag to be used synonymously with "slow", but for computers, only the word slow applies.  OK, that nit is adequately picked at now .  .

I would rather look at blurry images than accept much of a slowdown, but ultimately only your own senses will tell you whjether the card you are talking about works well enough for you.  In your place, if I had no other option than a laptop (I would never handiicap any software that way), I would seek out a used laptop that has better video performance. but has a depreciated price now. 

What seems terribly slow to me is likely to be OK to other people, and we are discussing an "old" game here.  It took them five years from conception to release, and it was nowhere close to state of the art when it was brand new.  

G

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 11 juin 2010 - 07:10 .

[basdoorn]

Truby-Liz wrote...

Do you think it won't play it, then? :S I can't afford to get a more-expensive laptop, my budget is £600 and that was the best card I could find after comparing it with other laptops for the same price. *My comparisons based on Notebookcheck* TBH I can stand a bit of lag, even on lowest settings... *Here's the manufacturers specs for it http://www.amd.com/u...5470-specs.aspx *

It is possible to give you an impression of your video card performance, which is not tested so it will be an ugly and highly theoretical approximation, read below. Should you decide to try Dragon Age on your laptop, please report your settings and how the game plays, it would be interesting for other people to read what exactly is possible with your type of system.

An Ati Radeon 4830 desktop card can output 52 frames per second at 1920x1200 at very high quality but with little AF and no AA filtering as shown here:
http://www.tomshardw...igins,2116.html

When we look at the relative performance of the 4550 which is almost identical to the 5470 (another small assumption/inaccuracy here) we find that it manages only about 25% of the frame rate that the 4830 puts out by using this link:
http://www.techpower...rozr_II/29.html

That reduces the 52 frames at 1920x1200 for the 4830 to only 13 for the 5470, which is unplayable. You would need to lower your resolution and graphic settings to get to at least 30 frames per second (60 frames per second is really smooth) to get a basic gaming feel. For this we can use some numbers from:
http://www.pcgamesha...-2009/Practice/

As we need a big boost in framerates we drop from very high quality to low quality boosting our frame rate with 42% from 13 to 18,5. Lowering the resolution is not that effective for Dragon Age, but it does help somewhat, by dropping all the way down from 1920x1200 to 1024x768 you can gain another 20%, getting you from 18,5 to 22 frames per second. With AF disabled, no frame buffer effects, no multiple render targets and low texture details you could get to about 26-30 frames per second. With all the inaccuracies I would expect to see something like 15-45 frames per second on these settings, which is a rather large error margin, but there are many assumptions made before we get to our final numbers here. This is for the lowest resolution and lowest image quality settings of the game. Mind you, you will experience slowdowns and stuttering when the game shows big visual effects like fire storm or explosion spells, fog and crowded fights or places. Once again, if you install dragon age anyway, please let us know how it works out as practice is always more important than theory, it also would be nice to know if these approximations are somewhat accurate.

A final piece of advice: the playstation 3 or Xbox 360 at less than £ 300 will give you a far better resolution, image quality and frame rate than this laptop. I would seriously suggest looking at this if you play few different games with a low budget and have a decent television screen or a computer screen with the required inputs. A PC will require regular investments to keep up with newer games if you buy a lower-end one and to make it worse laptops are hardly upgradable, if at all. Consoles like the Playstation and Xbox on the other hand last much longer in comparison as new games keep coming out for these platforms for years and they have a far lower purchase price to boot. You lose some flexibility, but it's certainly not all bad.

Modifié par basdoorn, 11 juin 2010 - 07:34 .

[Gorath Alpha]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

It's been a month, now. 

Although it hadn't actually migrated very far downward, given the slow message traffic, its contents apparently  need to be closer to the top right now.