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[Feraele]

What is the "truth" according to Rahath..evidently other people's "truths" don't matter here, just your own?



So far, people have outlined what they think and believe, and you just reject it all out of hand.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Rahath wrote...

I am asking questions, and I will keep asking them.
I will not be silenced, unless banned, which will only prove I'm right, in which case my point is made for the few that do care about the truth and sincerity.
I do this not for myself, since I have no stake in the competition, or any future competition. I have no interest in joining it.
I am trying to make people see the truth.
If they tell the truth and apologize, and it's sincere, I'm content.
What they have done with the first apology is nothing close to it.
It is not logical for the points mentioned many times before.
I want the community, that includes all of you, to be treated better by Bioware and EA.
We, all of us, deserve honesty.

You are going to have to try quite a bit harder to get banned if you have some fantasy of going down as a martyr.  You can continue to ask questions but unless you gain the attention of Woo (who responded to Luckman and Sloth in one thread) you are not going to get much more information unless Priestly pops in and feels like responding to you.  I do not work for Bioware so I do not answer for them, and also it would be reckless of me to take your side in asking for questions.

[Feraele]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Feraele wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Feraele wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

ImperialOperative wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

So, the idea is to flood this thread with spam to make sure that it will be closed. That's a smart way to sabotage threads containing opinions you don't like.

Or to get a temp-ban.

Hehe. Agreed.

Rahath certainly has a point.

The only "point" Rahath has..is me..   Well at least lately.     He needs to get a new hobby.

What you need to do is stop derailing the thread.

ahhh yes Master.....I am going with the flow of this thread..if you don't like that..well there's nothing I can do about it.

I am telling you that derailing this thread is not i the best interest of anyone.

Then stop derailing it..and talk about the topic?

[ImperialOperative]

Rahath wrote...

I am asking questions, and I will keep asking them.
I will not be silenced, unless banned, which will only prove I'm right, in which case my point is made for the few that do care about the truth and sincerity.
I do this not for myself, since I have no stake in the competition, or any future competition. I have no interest in joining it.
I am trying to make people see the truth.
If they tell the truth and apologize, and it's sincere, I'm content.
What they have done with the first apology is nothing close to it.
It is not logical for the points mentioned many times before.
I want the community, that includes all of you, to be treated better by Bioware and EA.
We, all of us, deserve honesty.

You talk as if Bioware has commited some sort of attrocity.

[Masticetobbacco]

keeep fighting



cmonnnn...............



im bored CMONNNNN

[Feraele]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

keeep fighting

cmonnnn...............

im bored CMONNNNN

Pffft...the fight is gone..all there is left..is friendship and good times.

[Rahath]

Feraele wrote...

What is the "truth" according to Rahath..evidently other people's "truths" don't matter here, just your own?

So far, people have outlined what they think and believe, and you just reject it all out of hand.

How would I know the truth unless I worked for Bioware or EA?
What kind of question is that?
All I know is that we have been given a standard answer, an answer that is implausible to say the least.

What I reject out of hand is: Oh, at least we got an apology.
The apology means nothing if it is not sincere, which logic would dictate it is not.

[Feraele]

Rahath wrote...

Feraele wrote...

What is the "truth" according to Rahath..evidently other people's "truths" don't matter here, just your own?

So far, people have outlined what they think and believe, and you just reject it all out of hand.

How would I know the truth unless I worked for Bioware or EA?
What kind of question is that?
All I know is that we have been given a standard answer, an answer that is implausible to say the least.

What I reject out of hand is: Oh, at least we got an apology.
The apology means nothing if it is not sincere, which logic would dictate it is not.

Indeed..that is EXACTLY what I stated earlier on in this thread....we don't have a "spy" working behind the scenes at Bioware offices..so we don't know for sure what that "truth" might be. 

Again...I'll ask...HOW do you know its not sincere?   You don't know that, I don't know that.   That is subjective opinion coming from your view....that not everyone shares.

And...instead of dwelling on it for the next ten years, and getting an ulcer over this "unknown" factor...why not accept what has been said..and move on?  

They state this is a year long celebration of their 15th anniversary.    So...I am going to take them at their word..for now.

[Rahath]

Feraele wrote...

Rahath wrote...

Feraele wrote...

What is the "truth" according to Rahath..evidently other people's "truths" don't matter here, just your own?

So far, people have outlined what they think and believe, and you just reject it all out of hand.

How would I know the truth unless I worked for Bioware or EA?
What kind of question is that?
All I know is that we have been given a standard answer, an answer that is implausible to say the least.

What I reject out of hand is: Oh, at least we got an apology.
The apology means nothing if it is not sincere, which logic would dictate it is not.

Indeed..that is EXACTLY what I stated earlier on in this thread....we don't have a "spy" working behind the scenes at Bioware offices..so we don't know for sure what that "truth" might be. 

Again...I'll ask...HOW do you know its not sincere?   You don't know that, I don't know that.   That is subjective opinion coming from your view....that not everyone shares.

And...instead of dwelling on it for the next ten years, and getting an ulcer over this "unknown" factor...why not accept what has been said..and move on?  

They state this is a year long celebration of their 15th anniversary.    So...I am going to take them at their word..for now.

We do not HAVE to know the truth to question a given reply/answer/apology.
In many previous posts the reasons for my doubts have been outlined. Those reasons are why I do not believe the apology, and I would assume everyone can use logic and look at them.
If you look at those reasons posted, and give me logical answers to why they would support the original apology, I will drop it for now. From all the guys trying to silence me here, so don't take it personally.
The reasons are in a former piece I "quoted", from the guy you all crucified for his "unusual humor".

Modifié par Rahath, 01 avril 2010 - 09:51 .

[Feraele]

Far as I know..the Second coming of Christ did NOT happen in this thread...



As far as rehashing it over and over and over and over.....whats the point. I'll wait for new information.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Feraele wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Feraele wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Feraele wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

ImperialOperative wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

So, the idea is to flood this thread with spam to make sure that it will be closed. That's a smart way to sabotage threads containing opinions you don't like.

Or to get a temp-ban.

Hehe. Agreed.

Rahath certainly has a point.

The only "point" Rahath has..is me..   Well at least lately.     He needs to get a new hobby.

What you need to do is stop derailing the thread.

ahhh yes Master.....I am going with the flow of this thread..if you don't like that..well there's nothing I can do about it.

I am telling you that derailing this thread is not i the best interest of anyone.

Then stop derailing it..and talk about the topic?

* Playing the master role *

I knew you could do it.

[Feraele]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Feraele wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Feraele wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Feraele wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

ImperialOperative wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

So, the idea is to flood this thread with spam to make sure that it will be closed. That's a smart way to sabotage threads containing opinions you don't like.

Or to get a temp-ban.

Hehe. Agreed.

Rahath certainly has a point.

The only "point" Rahath has..is me..   Well at least lately.     He needs to get a new hobby.

What you need to do is stop derailing the thread.

ahhh yes Master.....I am going with the flow of this thread..if you don't like that..well there's nothing I can do about it.

I am telling you that derailing this thread is not i the best interest of anyone.

Then stop derailing it..and talk about the topic?

* Playing the master role *

I knew you could do it.

I wear many hats..which one would you like? ^^

[Rahath]

For comfort, I will outline the points here:

Here's a hot tip for the lot of you: Just because someone says "I sincerely..." doesn't mean that they are sincere. A incinsere person have no problem at all feigning sincerity.



Consider this. Last minute legal issues. Let's say that the apologies as sincere. By that virtue, the statement that the problems were due to legal issues must also be true. For that to be true, we must also accept that:



* Bioware had no knowledge of these possible legal issues, despite these legal issues being well-known throughout an industry to which they have been a part of for 15 years. There are many corporations that hold many contests that are exclusive to certain regions, exactly due to legal issues. They are unwilling or unable to spend the resources necessary to make an event or contest inclusive.



* Electronic Arts, a multinational corporate giant with vast resources and a legal department the size of Pluto was also unaware of the fact that different regions had different laws.



* These legal issues were so prevalent so that they affected every single nation on this planet, except 48 states in the USA.



* These legal issues cropped up when there were less than 6 days left on an event that has taken, at the very least, several months to plan.



Starting to sound far-fetched? That's because it is. The organizers are either Spongebob Squarepants and Patrick Star, or - more likely since starfishes and sponges have a limited capability to organize real-world and web events - lying. Or just all-out malicious, but I prefer to think that there's still good in the world.



So how are these "apologies" in any way acceptable, if the very foundation for them; the explanation that this was all due to legal issues, are insincere?

[Rahath]

Like I said, if you want my silence, just respond to the points in the post above yours, in a logical way.

[Feraele]

Bahaha..that ..is hilarious Mavi



Okay "back" .."on" .."topic"



What were we talking about again? Sorry got distracted.

[Symbolz]

Ugh this is just getting out of hand. Just roll for initiative and get it over with.

[Feraele]

Well Rahath..it wouldn't be the first time..within or across company departments..that the right hand didn't communicate to the left hand..til it was too late to avert..disaster.



And I do see it as a communication problem...both with their fanbase, and possibly between EA and Bioware.

[Symbolz]

Feraele wrote...

Well Rahath..it wouldn't be the first time..within or across company departments..that the right hand didn't communicate to the left hand..til it was too late to avert..disaster.

And I do see it as a communication problem...both with their fanbase, and possibly between EA and Bioware.

I can attest to that.  I see that daily in with my job and the other companies I have to work with.

[Rahath]

Feraele wrote...

Well Rahath..it wouldn't be the first time..within or across company departments..that the right hand didn't communicate to the left hand..til it was too late to avert..disaster.

And I do see it as a communication problem...both with their fanbase, and possibly between EA and Bioware.

At the last minute, while the planning has been going on for months?
And with all their experience in numerous countries for over 15 years?

Just think if it still sounds logical if you ask yourself those questions.
But if you still truly believe the original apology even after answering those questions, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this matter and leave it at that.

[Feraele]

Rahath wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Well Rahath..it wouldn't be the first time..within or across company departments..that the right hand didn't communicate to the left hand..til it was too late to avert..disaster.

And I do see it as a communication problem...both with their fanbase, and possibly between EA and Bioware.

At the last minute, while the planning has been going on for months?
And with all their experience in numerous countries for over 15 years?

Just think if it still sounds logical if you ask yourself those questions.
But if you still truly believe the original apology even after answering those questions, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this matter and leave it at that.

Well I already did that some pages ago in this thread.     And yes..while planning has been going on for months...don't forget Bioware is a sub-section of a very large international company.. ..David and Goliath basically...so it IS possible to mess up here.

[Symbolz]

Maviarab wrote...

But if you still truly believe the original apology even after answering those questions, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this matter and leave it at that.

Finally.....

LOL!  And the peasants rejoiced, Mav? 

[Masticetobbacco]

I liked my role hehe