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[cynicalsaint1]

MattsyBoi wrote...

You wouldn't ask BioWare's clarification if you didn't think it's cheating anyway. Plus, why use it before getting answer from BioWare?

Because if it was obviously cheating you'd think they'd have said this as soon as it started and not several days later. Many of us thought along the lines of "If it was cheating they'd have said something" - when Mr. Woo made his reply it sounded a lot like "I don't like it, but its ok if you aren't spamming" to a lot of us, further muddying the issue.

So conundrum becomes that it doesn't look like BioWare is going to do anything about it, then if you don't start you get left behind, the more time that passes the easier it is to assume that nothing is going to be done about it. This being the case they still wait several days before attempting to make any sort of offical ruling on the matter.

[Ranger115]

Well, Chris has finally posted in my thread. It was quite enlightening and I now understand their actions completely. If you would like to see what he said in response to half of the community's concern, please read ahead. The message said:



"Use the existing thread.





LOCKDOWN!"



It ended with a nice evil smiley face that just filled me with joy! Oh wait, that didn't address the issue at all and failed to do anything useful except close a thread where meaningful discussions were taking place. While I understand the need to control "spam", I really think an official response would have been more productive, in the fact that if the issue is addressed reasonably, spam probably wouldn't happen. I believe that the general motive behind Chris's post, and lack of official response is this: "If we, BioWare, a large and respected game developer, just ignore half of the fanbase, than the problem will probably just go away.". While this probably will be the end result because they don't seem to want to respond to their community and it's questions; it's just sad the it comes down to that, and not a more preferable outcome.





For reference my thread is here: http://social.biowar...3/index/2027838 . Chris's post is the last one on the last page.

[cynicalsaint1]

Honestly that thread was going to be closed down anyways, I had no doubt.

Its a little disheartening that they didn't bother to make any clarifications or updates on the issue though, they could have easily closed the thread and then made a new post to respond to concerns here.

[Ranger115]

Yeah, I figured it might happen. But if you think about it, it actually hurts the discussion. Instead of two or so threads having discussions about the subject to spread it out and let people think, we instead have one thread that everyone is forced to use where a lot of worthwhile posts could be drown out by a lot of people talking.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Although I have no sympathy for anyone caught cheating, I have to admit that it was a bit cruddy for Chris to come on and lock a thread without addressing a community concern. A simple "You are screwed" or "we are only taking exploit tokens away" or even a "I'm not sure, and the guy I need to ask is away for the holiday weekend" would have been nice for those of you affected.



I can't say I'm terribly surprised though. This isnt the Bioware of ten years ago.

[Mallissin]

Back to click begging and pyramid schemes. Yes, this is so much better and "fairer".



As far as I'm concerned the click threads are cheating. They give those participating an unfair advantage against those who aren't participating. What's that? It's not their fault you didn't think about doing it too? See IMG discussion.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Mallissin wrote...

Back to click begging and pyramid schemes. Yes, this is so much better and "fairer".

As far as I'm concerned the click threads are cheating. They give those participating an unfair advantage against those who aren't participating. What's that? It's not their fault you didn't think about doing it too? See IMG discussion.

That is so stupid it doesn't realy merit a response.

People sharing links is the same as people exploiting a technical loophole?

[Ranger115]

Yeah, anything would have been nice by now. Not to mention that I just found this in another thread, something he wrote around the time he closed my thread.



"It depends on how full of Easter chocolate I am.



As of 5pm yesterday, I had caught up with all of the replies we got for challenges 1-13. If you emailed us about challenges 14 & 15 or any previous challenge after 5pm, we are still working to credit the accounts (hence me working over Easter).



We'll get to them, stay tuned.



If you feel you were missed for any challenges between 1 and 13, please email socialmedia@bioware.com and we'll check it out."



That was in this thread here: http://social.biowar...3/index/2033836 . So apparently Chris is answering questions, just not the big ones.

[Orkchop]

Well, it is good to see that they are in the office today.



You know, it might be possible that BioWare is, right now, debating what to do and having the same arguments we are. They ran into an issue, fixed it (with the redirect) and are know probably trying to decide how to handle it.



While Chris is able to decree which thread can stay open and which one he will choose to throw evil smilies at, an issue with the contest that involves a large chunk of the contestants probably has to get some signoffs.



And there is plenty of other working going on at BioWare right, like, say, the Kasumi DLC also coming out Tuesday. Or the Dragon Age DLC that came out yesterday.



They'll give us an answer eventually and it will be what they think is fair. Either that or "Evil Chris" is sitting back in his chair laughing maniacally with his hands together Mr. Burns style.

[Crixt]

Chris,



Can we please get a response to the questions we have? It would be nice if you would address concerns that active members of the community have. Especially those that were laid out nicely in the other thread (that you so graciously answered "lockdown" to).



Otherwise, you're just leaving people hanging, still linking your product and advertising for you, not knowing if you'll pull the rug out from under them at the last second in this competition.

[Mallissin]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

Back to click begging and pyramid schemes. Yes, this is so much better and "fairer".

As far as I'm concerned the click threads are cheating. They give those participating an unfair advantage against those who aren't participating. What's that? It's not their fault you didn't think about doing it too? See IMG discussion.

That is so stupid it doesn't realy merit a response.

People sharing links is the same as people exploiting a technical loophole?

Yet you made a response, and there's a reason pyramid schemes are illegal. The clicks from those threads aren't "honest" clicks. They're all conspiring to help each other. Isn't that too a conscious effort to undermine the intentions of the game?

[Ranger115]

@Orkchop, yeah I could see that. But if that is the case then it was handled very poorly. They should've made an announcement, and allowed a grace period for people to remove them from their sigs while they debated about what to do. But instead they outright said that we are no longer eligible to participate. And while they may be busy with other things, like I said earlier they decided to hold a contest. Dealing with the problems that arise from said contest is just standard procedure.



And I'm starting to think that his name is evil chris because he is okay with doing things that people won't like. So BioWare basically uses him as a small flameshield lol.

[Crixt]

I honestly don't understand what Sloth is doing here. He has no reason for posting other than being someone who just likes to argue / enjoys rubbing people's faces in things. And he's persistent about it, voraciously defending bioware's decision, even after recently getting upset about being Canadian. My guess is that it's a form of "misery loves company"



Anyway, Chris, we would like some sort of response to the many questions we have about this issue.

[Orkchop]

@Crixt



I believe the popular term for him is a "troll"

[cynicalsaint1]

Orkchop wrote...

You know, it might be possible that BioWare is, right now, debating what to do and having the same arguments we are. They ran into an issue, fixed it (with the redirect) and are know probably trying to decide how to handle it.

This is true, but it'd be nice to have a "We're currently discussing this matter" or something

Heck, I imagine that's why they didn't give us a response right away when we asked if this was cheating or not the first time--they were still discussing it. If this is true it lends credence to the argument that it was never clear whether or not this was cheating in the first place. If this isn't the case and they had determined it was cheating from the start it seems unnecessarily cruel of them to wait so long to inform the community.

Modifié par cynicalsaint1, 02 avril 2010 - 07:11 .

[Crixt]

Any sort of constructive response from Chris would be much appreciated.

[TrueWindoze]

How bout' saying something Christopher?

Modifié par TrueWindoze, 02 avril 2010 - 07:43 .

[Ranger115]

Let me put this in a way that anybody from BioWare or played ME2 can understand...

Paragon: Treat your customers  <---- Chosen
Renegade: Go ahead and continue to ignore the problem
Neutral: Goodbye

Me: You should respond to your fanbase, it lets them know you care about them and appreciate them coming here. In the end they will ultimately spend more money.

You:

[XX55XX]

I just want to know if I am disqualified or not. I assume I am, but if it so happens that it is merely that my illegitimate tokens are taken away, I will continue to play.

[Lamiea]

Ranger115 wrote...
 Oh wait, that didn't address the issue at all and failed to do anything useful except close a thread where meaningful discussions were taking place.

Welcome to Chris Priestly's moderation - for another "wonderful" example look here: 
http://reclaimyourga...0&limitstart=16

Modifié par Lamiea, 02 avril 2010 - 08:04 .

[Fish_Eye_McGee]

On the one hand, those who did it didn't know it was against the rules, but on the other it would be unfair to let them continue to participate with a possibly much larger token amount from it. This is why I support the idea of everyone losing their referral points. I.E. the purge.

Modifié par Fish_Eye_McGee, 02 avril 2010 - 08:21 .

[Ranger115]

@Lamiea That made me freak out. I don't wanna get banned. (A lot of EA game require you to log in with your account to play, and download DLC. arg.)



@Fish_Eye_McGee Yeah the purge or penalty looks like the best option. Lets just hope it happens.

[Jax Sparrow]

Ranger115 wrote...Oh wait, that didn't address the issue at all and failed to do anything useful except close a thread where meaningful discussions were taking place. For reference my thread is here: http://social.biowar...3/index/2027838  . Chris's post is the last one on the last page.

Just hit the red dot and "Report This Post" as abuse/Cheating...  or whatever you want because it blatantly says to me "yes we know you have a problem but we blatantly disregard your concern."  Which I feel is exceedingly offensive.  Will it do something? I have no idea but it is 'something' and probably goes beyond Chris, on up the food chain.


Even a post here as simple as "yes, or no, we have not thought of that and we will get back to you on Monday" would be absolutely better than the message his current action says.

Modifié par Jax Sparrow, 02 avril 2010 - 08:29 .

[Ranger115]

@Jax Sparrow, I don't know about that one. While it would get attention I'm pretty sure that I have seen users get in trouble for doing something similar to that on other forums. While this image tag problem is annoying, I don't want to see anyone banned/suspended.