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[Sherana]

cynicalsaint1 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I volunteered for this unenviable task almost 8 years ago. I'm not going to abandon it just because I hit a rough patch now and again, because I love this community so much. Which is why it seems a little strange to see come of the responses from self-styled "fans" of BioWare whose loyalty to the company they purport to love seems to wax and wane with the tides. Maybe I'm one of the few who takes a "for better or for worse" approach to the companies/media/products I claim to be a fan of, but like I always say, "different strokes for different folks."

I can sympathize more than you imagine, being a software developer myself. I work closely with our client support staff, and man ... I could not do that.

That said, I don't think its exactly waxing and waning loyalty, as much venting fustration, in a lot of cases. Again, I can't speak for everyone. I don't think I'd ever stop enjoying BioWare's games just because I feel slighted by something that happened on your forums. I may however, decide to use a snarky banner in my sig

Ditto to that.  If I really wasn't still a fan, I'd just leave. <3

[Twitchmonkey]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I volunteered for this unenviable task almost 8 years ago. I'm not going to abandon it just because I hit a rough patch now and again, because I love this community so much. Which is why it seems a little strange to see come of the responses from self-styled "fans" of BioWare whose loyalty to the company they purport to love seems to wax and wane with the tides. Maybe I'm one of the few who takes a "for better or for worse" approach to the companies/media/products I claim to be a fan of, but like I always say, "different strokes for different folks."

Well, I think it's pretty unfortunate that Chris threw you under the bus when instead of working around the lack of clarity you could provide, he decided to go ahead and take the most extreme position possible, thus putting you under the microsope.

As for the whole waxing and waning bit, I don't really see how you can honestly say that fan loyalty should remain consistent even after mistreatment. The for "better or worse" approach is fine for when a company may not be doing as well or may not be able to deliver a product on time, etc. but not when they begin to stop considering the needs of the community.

[TrueWindoze]

Stanley Woo wrote...

AS I already mentioned previously, i have nothing at all to do with this contest. I'm betting that even if Mr. Priestly wanted to address this right here and now, he is likely not in the office at 2am on a Friday night on an Easter long weekend. It may also be that other people he would have to consult with and/or get approvals and/or information from are also not in their offices at 2am on a Friday night... on an Easter long weekend.

And to address a previous post, BioWare is on Mountain time, which is GMT -0700, so a file modified at 3am GMT Friday morning would have been done at BioWare at 8pm Thursday evening.

No matter how we feel about this, people, let's try and keep the torches and pitchforks in the closets for now and wait until our various offices are open again and people return to work on Monday, possibly Tuesday, depending on what days each office considers a holiday.

Yeah...the whole Chris is out for the holiday thing would have worked, if he didn't make and appearance to lockdown a perfectly informative thread which he should have actually read and considered. So he obviously had time to leave some sort of remark on this issue, but he avoided it.

[Fish_Eye_McGee]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I volunteered for this unenviable task almost 8 years ago. I'm not going to abandon it just because I hit a rough patch now and again, because I love this community so much. Which is why it seems a little strange to see come of the responses from self-styled "fans" of BioWare whose loyalty to the company they purport to love seems to wax and wane with the tides. Maybe I'm one of the few who takes a "for better or for worse" approach to the companies/media/products I claim to be a fan of, but like I always say, "different strokes for different folks."

I still like BioWare and I will continue to buy their games, I'm just a little disappointed in this whole situation. And poster above me is correct- he made an appearance to shut down a perfectly valid thread, and told them to use the current one. I don't see how using the current one would help seeing as how he's obviously not looking at it or possibly ignoring it. 

[Sloth Of Doom]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I volunteered for this unenviable task almost 8 years ago. I'm not going to abandon it just because I hit a rough patch now and again, because I love this community so much. Which is why it seems a little strange to see come of the responses from self-styled "fans" of BioWare whose loyalty to the company they purport to love seems to wax and wane with the tides. Maybe I'm one of the few who takes a "for better or for worse" approach to the companies/media/products I claim to be a fan of, but like I always say, "different strokes for different folks."

It isn't unenviable!   I'll happily trade you jobs.  *envy*

[Appolo90]

I have an idea. We can all dislike the BioWare Marketing Department, and we can all love the BioWare Developers and Producers. These are two completely separate teams, so why should we pack them into one category?

[bulldog2012]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I volunteered for this unenviable task almost 8 years ago. I'm not going to abandon it just because I hit a rough patch now and again, because I love this community so much. Which is why it seems a little strange to see come of the responses from self-styled "fans" of BioWare whose loyalty to the company they purport to love seems to wax and wane with the tides. Maybe I'm one of the few who takes a "for better or for worse" approach to the companies/media/products I claim to be a fan of, but like I always say, "different strokes for different folks."

If you really want to see waxing and waning, wait until Tuesday. If you guys really ban half the people like you say you will, then you'll see anarchy.

[Rive Caedo]

Stanley Woo wrote...

No matter how we feel about this, people, let's try and keep the torches and pitchforks in the closets for now and wait until our various offices are open again and people return to work on Monday, possibly Tuesday, depending on what days each office considers a holiday.

You know, I've been pretty laid back and jokey about this whole thing.

But now I am OUTRAGED. I am LIVID. I am FILLED with RAGE.

Bioware keeps their pitchforks in closets? They belond in shed. No wonder everything is so confusing around here.

[Tymaara]

 Has the greed for free prizes really come to this? This contest and the quality of BioWare's products are apples and Oranges. They, as a company try to do something nice for the people that buy their games- soon for the WHOLE community, but people are boycotting buying their products now???

Why? Basically because it's human nature to have what the other person has, or be able to do what the other person does. "I want to be first"..."I want to be famous"..."I want to be loved"...

So we have people that worked the system to get LOTS and LOTS of tokens. Do I think that's fair? Not really, and I think they should be held accountable. Yet the majority here are ranting and raving because they didn't think of doing it first. 

What I'd like to NOW see is BioWare say "Screw you all, we try to do something cool, and you nitpick and ****. We know our games rock your socks, and we know your not going to be able to resist them, no matter what you say about us as a company- which is also really unfounded. eventually you'll forget about this contest, but we won't. Don't expect to see anything from us like this again....Oh- and if your next CE from us contains a lump of coal, don't be suprised.

I would LOVE to see that, and just get back to playing awesome games.

[cynicalsaint1]

Tymaara wrote...

 Has the greed for free prizes really come to this? This contest and the quality of BioWare's products are apples and Oranges. They, as a company try to do something nice for the people that buy their games- soon for the WHOLE community, but people are boycotting buying their products now???

Why? Basically because it's human nature to have what the other person has, or be able to do what the other person does. "I want to be first"..."I want to be famous"..."I want to be loved"...

So we have people that worked the system to get LOTS and LOTS of tokens. Do I think that's fair? Not really, and I think they should be held accountable. Yet the majority here are ranting and raving because they didn't think of doing it first. 

What I'd like to NOW see is BioWare say "Screw you all, we try to do something cool, and you nitpick and ****. We know our games rock your socks, and we know your not going to be able to resist them, no matter what you say about us as a company- which is also really unfounded. eventually you'll forget about this contest, but we won't. Don't expect to see anything from us like this again....Oh- and if your next CE from us contains a lump of coal, don't be suprised.

I would LOVE to see that, and just get back to playing awesome games.

Did you not read the thread?
Most of us are not upset about the method being declared cheating. We're upset because many of us assumed it wasn't. BioWare took several days to tell us that it was cheating, despite the fact that we asked the first day it started being used.

None of us are asking to be allowed to get off scot-free, only that we be penalized instead of completely disqualified given the circumstance. The negativity has largely been a result of the lack of any sort of response on BioWare's end when we voiced our concerns.

Modifié par cynicalsaint1, 03 avril 2010 - 05:11 .

[TrueWindoze]

Good thing I never cheated =). but still this is OUTRAGEOUS. I love a good uprising.



ps: 26,528 tokens.

[UnkindSoldier]

TrueWindoze wrote...

Good thing I never cheated =).

ps: 26,528 tokens.

How could you possibly get that amount without cheating?

[TrueWindoze]

UnkindSoldier wrote...

TrueWindoze wrote...

Good thing I never cheated =).

ps: 26,528 tokens.

How could you possibly get that amount without cheating?

MIND CONTROL, my friend. I'm a lvl 99 hypnotist.

[UnkindSoldier]

TrueWindoze wrote...

UnkindSoldier wrote...

TrueWindoze wrote...

Good thing I never cheated =).

ps: 26,528 tokens.

How could you possibly get that amount without cheating?

MIND CONTROL, my friend. I'm a lvl 99 hypnotist.

Oh man I'm nowhere close to level 99

[Tymaara]

well, I could understand that except that these exploits were not about spreading the BioWare love. People should have had the option to:



Go to bioware's site



Help you in your contest



or simply click because they like to click things



the trick does none of those things.



BioWare did indeed give us an empty jar. I filled mine by asking my freinds to help out. People that used this trick basically put the jar behind the coin slot and let tokens fall in unknowingly. there is a BIG difference.



That isn't to say your motivations were not pure, nor anyone elses, but if they (BioWare) had asked you to send the link out to show your BioWare love, knowing that you would receive no prizes, or recognition, would people have bent the rules as they did to get the high level of tokens they did?



No.



The main Motivation was the prizes. Very very nice prizes. Prizes people want (or in some cases need) and would do things people normally wouldn't do to WIN said prizes.



Maybe Greed was too strong a word, and maybe YOUR motivation was simply to "see if you could". But I feel safe to say the majority would answer "I did it to win prizes". Going to any ends to win those prizes would be defined as what?

[cynicalsaint1]

Hindsight is 20/20. Its easy to say things like "Its obvious this was cheating" after the fact, but beforehand this was not so clear. After all, if it was indeed obvious why did it take days for BioWare to come out and tell us this? Why didn't they say "This is cheating, don't do it" the first time a thread describing the method was closed? This thread was posted to ask that exact question, and the definitive answer didn't come till two and the better part of the third days later.



So while right now its very clear, for several days it wasn't. And again, we're not arguing that it isn't now that BioWare has made their position clear, only that we compromise on how to deal with those of us who unwittingly cheated.

[SymbolicGamer]

cynicalsaint1 wrote...

Hindsight is 20/20. Its easy to say things like "Its obvious this was cheating" after the fact, but beforehand this was not so clear. After all, if it was indeed obvious why did it take days for BioWare to come out and tell us this? Why didn't they say "This is cheating, don't do it" the first time a thread describing the method was closed? This thread was posted to ask that exact question, and the definitive answer didn't come till two and the better part of the third days later.

So while right now its very clear, for several days it wasn't. And again, we're not arguing that it isn't now that BioWare has made their position clear, only that we compromise on how to deal with those of us who unwittingly cheated.

I don't think there was even an announcement. Just some replies to users' posts in a forum many of us don't even visit.

Seems to me like Bioware messed up, and rather than bringing attention to themselves, decided to place the blame on others.

Either that or they are just as confused as we are.

Modifié par SymbolicGamer, 03 avril 2010 - 07:31 .

[Orion91]

Stanley Woo wrote...

AS I already mentioned previously, i have nothing at all to do with this contest. I'm betting that even if Mr. Priestly wanted to address this right here and now, he is likely not in the office at 2am on a Friday night on an Easter long weekend. It may also be that other people he would have to consult with and/or get approvals and/or information from are also not in their offices at 2am on a Friday night... on an Easter long weekend.

And to address a previous post, BioWare is on Mountain time, which is GMT -0700, so a file modified at 3am GMT Friday morning would have been done at BioWare at 8pm Thursday evening.

No matter how we feel about this, people, let's try and keep the torches and pitchforks in the closets for now and wait until our various offices are open again and people return to work on Monday, possibly Tuesday, depending on what days each office considers a holiday.

They had several days before easter weekend to respond to THIS thread and plenty of time to say something while they were editing the links. Someone should have called someone and found internet (they don't need to be in the office) to let us know what is going on. 

[Mallissin]

Stanley Woo wrote...

AS I already mentioned previously, i have nothing at all to do with this contest. I'm betting that even if Mr. Priestly wanted to address this right here and now, he is likely not in the office at 2am on a Friday night on an Easter long weekend. It may also be that other people he would have to consult with and/or get approvals and/or information from are also not in their offices at 2am on a Friday night... on an Easter long weekend.

And to address a previous post, BioWare is on Mountain time, which is GMT -0700, so a file modified at 3am GMT Friday morning would have been done at BioWare at 8pm Thursday evening.

No matter how we feel about this, people, let's try and keep the torches and pitchforks in the closets for now and wait until our various offices are open again and people return to work on Monday, possibly Tuesday, depending on what days each office considers a holiday.

BURN HIM! He's a witch! Or a duck! God, these forums are confusing!

[Mallissin]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

It isn't unenviable!   I'll happily trade you jobs.  *envy*

The forum that has you for a moderator must either be seriously screwed up, soon be sued and/or very low standards.

[cynicalsaint1]

Mallissin wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

AS I already mentioned previously, i have nothing at all to do with this contest. I'm betting that even if Mr. Priestly wanted to address this right here and now, he is likely not in the office at 2am on a Friday night on an Easter long weekend. It may also be that other people he would have to consult with and/or get approvals and/or information from are also not in their offices at 2am on a Friday night... on an Easter long weekend.

And to address a previous post, BioWare is on Mountain time, which is GMT -0700, so a file modified at 3am GMT Friday morning would have been done at BioWare at 8pm Thursday evening.

No matter how we feel about this, people, let's try and keep the torches and pitchforks in the closets for now and wait until our various offices are open again and people return to work on Monday, possibly Tuesday, depending on what days each office considers a holiday.

BURN HIM! He's a witch! Or a duck! God, these forums are confusing!

Woo turned me into a newt!

[cynicalsaint1]

Six to Eight wrote...

cynicalsaint1, Did you get better?

*Shuffles awkwardly*
... yeah ...