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[Satirewire]

How is an exploit ever okay? I gather that the people who are defending this are doing so because they themselves do it and even though they know it is wrong they don't want reprimanded. It's not like everyone is doing this, and using an exploit is cheating...how could anyone argue that it isn't? Even if it doesn't disrupt other people, they are still unaware that you are doing it. If it was really okay, why would it need to be hidden? It is a trick and it is deceitful. Screw winning anything in the auction...I am not going to flush my integrity down the toilet. People who are using an exploit to trick others into giving them "clicks" without realizing they are doing so should be disqualified or at the very least have those points obtained via url referral voided. This is outright cheating.



I am sicked that BioWare would allow this kind of behavior. If they think this is okay, then why is it not okay to use exploits in game? Why is it cheating and wrong to use an exploit to gain extra gold or exp in Dragon Age, but it's okay to use an exploit to give you an insane advantage in an event that has been labeled "fan appreciation?" This doesn't even benefit BioWare, because if those people aren't even going and looking at the pages for the games from the link, isn't that defeating the whole "marketing" purpose of the link? This whole thing sickens me...



Date rape isn't okay just because the person doesn"t realize they are being raped... An extreme example I know, but it gets my point across.

[UnevenPavement]

It is pretty disgusting that the people who are going to win the big prizes in this auction are people who cheated the system and therefore the entire intented purpose of the contest.



Fan appreciation? I have trouble seeing it that way when it just rewards whoever can spam the most forums. That's just sad.



The twitter contest should be rewarding people like 10,000 points to compensate for these trolls.

[Orkchop]

I think instead of an auction, the tokens should allow you entries into a raffle. Then anyone could win and there wouldn't be that much of a benefit from spamming or cheating.

[Lamiea]

Maviarab wrote...
Its not an actual physical click Lamiea....go check the T&C....

One could argue that "click" does not, in fact, refer to a "physical click" - in this case "click" is more synonymous to "view," something that does not equate to a physical action.

Satirewire wrote...
Date rape isn't okay just because the person doesn"t realize they are being raped...

Not all date rapes have drugged victims.  

[Mad Method]

Stanley, thanks a lot for responding. It helped clear things up for me.

Maviarab, I agree with Lamiea's interpretation about the word "click." Generally speaking, when the ToS is concerned with using such tricks, it will go a step further and explicitly disallow alternative methods, possibly citing punishments for doing so.

As for the date rape comparison, Satirewire, that's just extreme, inapplicable, and trivializing actual date rape way too much for the sake of your argument. You try to ask a date rape victim whether date rape is comparable to having your browser try to read data from a website you didn't want it to as part of a webpage (like 99.9999% of ads out there). If that person doesn't get offended, flummoxed, or otherwise laugh at your comparison, I'll be impressed.

Alright, so from what I could tell according to Stanley Woo's post, IMG tag tricks are "sketchy," but as long as the people using the tricks are contributing legitimately (ie. not spamming) where they are posting, Bioware will allow/tolerate it. Given the circumstances, I'll just join in on putting the image tag in my signature, and I'll hyperlink it to the same location for good measure - for any who are interested in clicking it. I'll try to legitimately contribute to forums while using the trick to increase my point count.

Modifié par Mad Method, 01 avril 2010 - 09:32 .

[Lamiea]

Mad Method wrote...
I'll try to legitimately contribute to forums while using the trick to increase my point count.

And, if this post is any indication, you are contributing. Thank you.

Modifié par Lamiea, 01 avril 2010 - 09:19 .

[Mad Method]

All Dead wrote...

I'm waiting for someone to compare this to the holocaust.

<_<

See, this kind of post is what I mean when I am talking about people making empty posts to increase their point count off of thread visitors. It's not nearly as bad as some of the ones out there, but you know you could do better.

[I Deadbolt I]

http://social.bioware.com/brc/975882

[Grecko32]

UnevenPavement wrote...


The twitter contest should be rewarding people like 10,000 points to compensate for these trolls.

So instead its just sheer luck if you get chosen? then everyone would Q.Q about how they didnt win a single twitter and Joe Shmoe won 3 of them.

[Mad Method]

Then I retract the charge, and my apologies for offending you. If it's any consolation, the others do a marvelous job of singling themselves out.

[Satirewire]

Mad Method wrote...

As for the date rape comparison, that's just extreme, inapplicable, and
trivializing actual date rape way too much for the sake of your argument. You
try to ask a date rape victim whether date rape is comparable to having your
browser try to read data from a website you didn't want it to as part of a
webpage (like 99.9999% of ads out there). If that person doesn't get
offended, flummoxed, or otherwise laugh at your comparison, I'll be impressed.

Didn't I say it was an extreme example?  You shouldn't assume what a person does or does not know about certain topics by the way.  You have no way of knowing what experience I have with date rape, personal or otherwise.  In case you missed it, my point was that cheating is wrong even if the other person doesn't realize you are taking advantage of them.  Not being aware when being lied to, stolen from, or even raped (as the extreme example) is just as wrong as it is when the person is fully aware of what is happening to them.  Cheating for tokens is at one end of the pole (as the lesser evil), while date rape is at the other end (as the greatest evil)...how does that trivialize date rape?  Didn't I say that it was an extreme example? It was used as an ultimate evil, as in being the worst possible thing that could happen to someone without their consent and knowledge.  Trivialization? I don't think so.

It's not my browser trying to read data from a website that is objectionable, it's that other "bioware fans" are purposefully hiding links that take my freedom in choice away from me for the sake of cheating for tokens.  This isn't for research for a company; this is petty cheating by people who don't care about personal integrity or fairness.  I understand wanting to win something, but I don't understand trying to trick other people and force them to give me an advantage over them.  I would rather get nothing from the auction than cheat and mislead others to win something, although that is obviously not the popular stance.

Modifié par Satirewire, 01 avril 2010 - 09:56 .

[Lamiea]

Satirewire wrote...
 It was used as an ultimate evil, as in being the worst possible thing that could happen to someone without their consent and knowledge.

Yeah... Because all date rapes happen when the victim is drugged or otherwise incapacitated... Oh, wait, that's not true. Please stop making outlandish statements that have no connection to fact.

It's not my browser trying to read data from a website that is objectionable, it's that other "bioware fans" are purposefully hiding links that take my freedom in choice away from me for the sake of cheating for tokens.

The links are not "hidden," nor are you being forced to do anything that would not normally happen. As for the choice, you still have one; if you like a person's posting you can choose to reward them by clicking on their link, giving them even more "points."

This isn't for research for a company; this is petty cheating by people who don't care about personal integrity or fairness.

Nice ad hominem argument. As for the charges, they are meaningless and have already been addressed both by other posters and at least one BioWare employee - in case you missed that, the "IMG-Tag exploit is not cheating and, by the way, since anyone can do it it's hardly unfair. The personal integrity statement is, as I said, meaningless, for your morality is not mine nor mine yours.

 

I understand wanting to win something, but I don't understand trying to trick other people and force them to give me an advantage over them.

Firstly, I, at least, am not that interested in winning anything (although I'll likely bid on some of the lesser items). Secondly, we're not trying to "trick" anyone -in fact it's quite the opposite as the first people to figure out the exploit made it public knowledge- nor is anyone forcing you to do anything.

I would rather get nothing from the auction than cheat and mislead others to win something, although that is obviously not the popular stance.

Again, it's not cheating. Also, again, no-one is misleading anyone. In other words, you're mistaken on all grounds and have done nothing but be insulting and offensive.

[Chris Priestly]

We consider this an exploit/cheating and are tracking it. Anyone found to use it will lose their tokens Tuesday morning before the auction begins.

Posting something and asking people to click on it is fine. Posting something that is going to automatically generate clicks for you without reader approval (willingness to click) is in our opinion tantamount to cheating and will not be tolerated.

[Lamiea]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We consider this an exploit/cheating and are tracking it. 

You should give people a time-frame to remove it and make a global posting about the new policy. On a related note, how do you clear your signature anyways? I cannot seem to get the IMG-Tag out of my signature. And, yes, now that there is a ruling people should follow it. 

[XX55XX]

Lamiea wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We consider this an exploit/cheating and are tracking it. 

You should give people a time-frame to remove it and make a global posting about the new policy. On a related note, how do you clear your signature anyways? I cannot seem to get the IMG-Tag out of my signature. And, yes, now that there is a ruling people should follow it. 

Yeah. From the sounds of it, hundreds (if not thousands) are using this exploit.

[I Deadbolt I]

this is a good idea but isnt it unfaithful?

[Crixt]

For those with no ill intent that were not aware this was considered cheating, will you give a grace period to cleanse the code?

[Lamiea]

XX55XX wrote...
Yeah. From the sounds of it, hundreds (if not thousands) are using this exploit.

And the fact that there were quotes, such as the following quote, does not help the matter as they "ok" the use of IMG-Tag in one's signature.

Because the image tag exploit is a little sketchy, I'm a little stricter in when and where people can post them. Like regular links, I have little to no problem with people posting links to their signature blocks or in threads specifically designed to exchange links. Throwing the links around willy-nilly is what gets folks in trouble.

 

[Maugrim]

Allowing it to propagate for three days and then saying nu-uh can't do it does seem a little shameless. Woo calling it questionable doesn't really mean anything. Bioware has done it's fair share of questionable things after all. Give the people time to remove it from their signatures here. That said I think I had it in my sig on this forum for all of about literally 5 minutes, gonna be a bit depressed if that's all it takes to dq me from the auction.

[XX55XX]

Lamiea wrote...

XX55XX wrote...
Yeah. From the sounds of it, hundreds (if not thousands) are using this exploit.

And the fact that there were quotes, such as the following quote, does not help the matter as they "ok" the use of IMG-Tag in one's signature.

Because the image tag exploit is a little sketchy, I'm a little stricter in when and where people can post them. Like regular links, I have little to no problem with people posting links to their signature blocks or in threads specifically designed to exchange links. Throwing the links around willy-nilly is what gets folks in trouble.

 

Yeah, such comments from another BioWare staffer probably caused a great amount of confusion as well.

[Randomactss]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We consider this an exploit/cheating and are tracking it. Anyone found to use it will lose their tokens Tuesday morning before the auction begins.

Posting something and asking people to click on it is fine. Posting something that is going to automatically generate clicks for you without reader approval (willingness to click) is in our opinion tantamount to cheating and will not be tolerated.

How will you be checking if they did it? Are you checking other fourms too?