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[jeffreykm]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
I apologize if anyone misinterpreted the intention and content of my comment.

It makes me a bit sad that you feel the need to apologize here.

Those who used this exploit were in the wrong, not you.

I'm not sure we considered it an exploit from the start, for those of us that did use it. We meant no ill will; I for one figured everyone else would be using it. Until someone said it was wrong (reference to Stanley, since some may call me out on it), I didn't even know OTHERS considered it unethical. One Priestley confirmed it was a no no, and as the news spreads, I know all the good intentioned will remove it from their signatures.

[madkool]

Seriously, you can't just remove the URL tokens collected by people using the exploit? I knew I should've stayed away from theforums. I can't understand how this exploit could've been used for so long and just NOW get noticed... all within the hour I saw this thread bumped to the top without any staff taking notice or saying anything. Thanks for being on top of your game, and most of all appreciating your fans Bioware!!

[Crixt]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I also said it was sketchy and likely an exploit, if you wish to look to my comment. I'm not involved in the contest at all and wasn't trying to make any definitive statement on rules. I was merely doing my job as a forum Moderator to enforce our Site Rules. Besides which, no matter what I say about a contest or giveaway (and I said very little), I defer to official rules--such as the posted BioWare Bazaar event rules and our posted Site Rules--and Mr. Priestly in all matters community-related.

I apologize if anyone misinterpreted the intention and content of my comment.

Stanley, none of us are trying to push any blame on you, you're a great mod that always does his best.

The bigger point is that even you didn't know for sure that this was an exploit.  But now we're being completely disqualified for it with no chance for redeption now that we know we're in the wrong.

[Satirewire]

Seriously, why should anybody need to be told that using an exploit or "trick" to get others to unknowingly give you "clicks" is wrong?!  The only people who would be upset about BioWare taking action on this would be the people who cheated and stand to lose tokens.  I don't buy that anyone could have unknowingly used this exploit without realizing it was cheating.

I am fully eligable to participate and I didn't use any kind of exploit.  I posted my link and asked others to click it, but that's it.  I didn't go looking for a way to cheat and even if someone would have offered to do it for me, I would have refused.  It's called integrity.

[Maugrim]

I'd have no problem with them removing all the "ill gotten" tokens, would be very fair. And now that I look back I don't explicitly seeing Chris saying that we will lose all our tokens vs token gotten from the img trick. If it's the former it's all messed up, if the latter it's fair and I have no quarrel with the decision so:

DEV QUESTION: Will we lose all tokens or just ones from the IMG trick?

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 02 avril 2010 - 12:44 .

[Crixt]

makenzieshepard wrote...

I'd have no problem with them removing all the "ill gotten" tokens, would be very fair. And now that I look back I don't explicitly seeing Chris saying that we will lose all our tokens vs token gotten from the img trick. If it's the former it's all messed up, if the latter it's fair and I have no quarrel with the decision so:

DEV QUESTION: Will we lose all tokens or just ones from the IMG trick?

This is another very important question that I hope is answered before a last-minute takeaway, after we have days to continue advertising for them.

[Maria Caliban]

All Dead wrote...

Suck-up.

Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?

Looks like your signature could use a little bling! I made you a new one:

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 02 avril 2010 - 12:49 .

[Crixt]

Replace "used the image exploit" with "tried to win a contest" and It's going in my sig :]

[Maugrim]

Maria Caliban wrote...

All Dead wrote...

Suck-up.

Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?

Looks like your signature could use a little bling! I made you a new one:

LOL I gotta admit that was funny.

[rumination888]

jeffreykm wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
I apologize if anyone misinterpreted the intention and content of my comment.

It makes me a bit sad that you feel the need to apologize here.

Those who used this exploit were in the wrong, not you.

I'm not sure we considered it an exploit from the start, for those of us that did use it. We meant no ill will; I for one figured everyone else would be using it. Until someone said it was wrong (reference to Stanley, since some may call me out on it), I didn't even know OTHERS considered it unethical. One Priestley confirmed it was a no no, and as the news spreads, I know all the good intentioned will remove it from their signatures.

I still don't consider it an exploit and will never label it as such.
The second you call it an exploit is the second you give other people power over your actions.

Anyone can use the image bbcode. People still need to click on the thread to give you a referral, so they still need to click. The image bbcode was also publicized. Heck, I didn't even know about the bbcode until I saw it publicized on these very forums.

Modifié par rumination888, 02 avril 2010 - 12:50 .

[XX55XX]

Satirewire wrote...

Seriously, why should anybody need to be told that using an exploit or "trick" to get others to unknowingly give you "clicks" is wrong?!  The only people who would be upset about BioWare taking action on this would be the people who cheated and stand to lose tokens.  I don't buy that anyone could have unknowingly used this exploit without realizing it was cheating.

I am fully eligable to participate and I didn't use any kind of exploit.  I posted my link and asked others to click it, but that's it.  I didn't go looking for a way to cheat and even if someone would have offered to do it for me, I would have refused.  It's called integrity.

Oh, if there so many men as noble as you, Satirewire, the world would be such a better place.

[Nizzemancer]

you could just do this image-trick on 4chan or somewhere with an insane posts/minute count and bioware would be unable to do anything anyway, the system is too simple to stop these kind of "cheat"-clicks.

as long as you only have to generate traffic with the link it's going to be exploited.

bah, what do I care? it doesn't affect me anyway

Modifié par Nizzemancer, 02 avril 2010 - 12:53 .

[Rive Caedo]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Looks like your signature could use a little bling! I made you a new one:

I laughed

[XX55XX]

All Dead wrote...

You should make a banner about the **** on your lips from kissing ass. I'll use that one.

All Dead, relax. Are you really going to let something negative that happened on the Internet really get to you?

But, that doesn't make me any less annoyed by BioWare, anyways.

I apologize to Mr. Woo as well. Perhaps we were all too quick to jump the gun when he posted his comment about the legality of it all, without realizing that he wasn't really a community manager.

[WARDEN9652]

^^ lol even after the creators of the contest called it an exploit, he still sticks to his beliefs

Never give up on your beliefs:huh:

Modifié par WARDEN9652, 02 avril 2010 - 12:53 .

[reininop]

My reason for eventually using it, whether wrong or not, was that after 2 days of watching it being discussed on these forums, there was no comment on whether it was or was not an exploit. I watched my point total begin to pale in comparison to other people's and still no one was swinging the ban hammer. Eventually, I decided that all the legitimate twittering and posting that had been done was all going to be for naught, as there was no way to keep up with the img people.

After Stanley commented on it, and discussion was still allowed, I assumed they were saying "we don't like it, but we're not going to stop it."

I'm not trying to make excuses for it and if they ban they ban, I wish they would have brought the hammer down as soon as this started though so everyone would have known up front for sure.

Silence was tantamount to complicity in this case.

[fleabagg wookiee]

so people who know rules of html and think outside of the box are being punished...

the way everyone is talking its like everybody used a third party hack or something... which is one thing....



the most important thing here is that many of the users who did use the image method did not see it as exploiting.



its much more friendly than some who post an image as a link that has nothing to do with the contest and we click it...

like if i posted a link that said "free tacos here" and when u click it it goes to the ref link...



thats far more dirty than the image "exploit" which is basically people knowing html. instead of blatant trickery.

[rumination888]

WARDEN9652 wrote...

^^ lol even after the creators of the contest called it an exploit, he still sticks to his beliefs

Never give up on your beliefs:huh:

It is against the rules of the contest. That is the only truth of the matter.
They can label it whatever word they want, but it doesn't make it correct.

[Maria Caliban]

Crixt wrote...

Replace "used the image exploit" with "tried to win a contest" and It's going in my sig :]

Yes? No?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 02 avril 2010 - 12:57 .

[TrueWindoze]

LOL.

[XX55XX]

My reasoning was as crystal clear as your's, reininop. BioWare should have made this very clear from the beginning.

As I will continue to say, this exploit was neither right nor wrong. I liken it to a case of whether a man has to steal to feed his family. If he steals, he breaks the law. But, if he doesn't, then his family starves. The usage of the exploit was just as morally grey.

[Rive Caedo]

I think it still needs the red x in the middle

[WARDEN9652]

^^ it may not but thats what they're calling it, and i doubt they change their mind

[Crixt]

reininop wrote...

My reason for eventually using it, whether wrong or not, was that after 2 days of watching it being discussed on these forums, there was no comment on whether it was or was not an exploit. I watched my point total begin to pale in comparison to other people's and still no one was swinging the ban hammer. Eventually, I decided that all the legitimate twittering and posting that had been done was all going to be for naught, as there was no way to keep up with the img people.
After Stanley commented on it, and discussion was still allowed, I assumed they were saying "we don't like it, but we're not going to stop it."
I'm not trying to make excuses for it and if they ban they ban, I wish they would have brought the hammer down as soon as this started though so everyone would have known up front for sure.
Silence was tantamount to complicity in this case.

Ask yourselves, does this gentile soul deseve to go without sweet swag?