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[Angband21]

Super_Cat wrote...

I wonder why people refer to suicide as the easy way out?

I find it easier to struggle through, because putting up with the bullsh** of this life is so much easier then upsetting my friends and family.

It certainly isn't easy for those left to pick up the pieces.

[Dark Lilith]

I hope that her spirit is now at ease and that she finds the after life an eden.Those that bullied her need a good old fashioned ass whuppin.They are cowards and less than dirt.

[Godak]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Godak wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

So no, I don't believe it's a, "No one loves me!" but rather a, "Will no one help me? Does no one care?" I take offence at you presuming that I not nothing about such things.

I'm not trying to say that "You are wrong! You have no idea what you're feeling! Bad you!" or anything like that. I was just trying to get across my perspective. Let me explain.

From my experience (a cousin and a very good friend say that they both contemplated suicide), and both explained that they did not feel like they could explain to their parents how they were feeling, etc. Now, I do not know about my cousin for sure. I know that she has dabbled in cutting, etc, but I was on the other side of the country while it was happening, so I only got the story from her after some time had past.

On the other hand, my friend says that he was bullied in school, and felt pushed into the "wrong" crowd (drugs/heavy drinking/etc.) for some semblance of belonging. We did not attend the same school, but I still visited with him fairly often. He admits that suicide would have been a completely selfish actions, but he also explained that he did not feel comfortable going to his parents and laying out all his emotions. Yes, it's justification for irrational and radical behavior, but I don't think suicide can ever be rational. To this day, he still battles with his addiction to drugs and alcohol. He has moved out of state, and I haven't seen him in a while. I don't know if he has overcome his suicidal thoughts, or if they're still there, in the back of his head...

Anyways, what I'm getting at is...You're right. I was wrong to presume that I somehow knew more than you. I apologise profusely, and I feel terrible.

I feel for you. Your friend went down a skewed path, and the fact he didn't share it with his parents is very sad. I suppose all you can do is hope that he is happier. It's also really hard sometimes to talk to people who are going through such things because it really brings you down as well. I also hope your cousin is better now.

I got a little sensitive. I should be the one apologising. I am sorry. Hug?

Thank you for understanding. As far as I'm concerned, there are no hard feelings. *Hug*

[SithLordExarKun]

I may sound like an a-hole but this is the very reason why i sometimes DO like North Korea's methods of public execution.

There was this case several years ago where two boys(this took place in britain) tortured a 5 year old child, doused him in gasoline, beat him to death and left him for dead on a rail way track to be cut in half by a train.

Do you know what was their punishment? A slap on the wrist. Thats right, these human scum were let off and allowed to lead a normal life, hell the victims parents even wanted to murder the two responsible.

I just hope those jerks get what they deserve in jail. I have seen **** like this before and i feel guilty for not being able to do anything about it.

And the scary thing is there are FAR worse things that are going on in this world. Sometimes you got to harden up to live in such an unforgiving world and this is something i had to learn the very hard way.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 31 mars 2010 - 01:41 .

[Super_Cat]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

I may sound like an a-hole but this is the very reason why i sometimes DO like North Korea's methods of public execution.

There was this case several years ago where two boys(this took place in britain) tortured a 5 year old child, doused him in gasoline, beat him up and left him for dead on a rail way track to be cut in half by a train.

Do you know whats their punishment? A slap on the wrist...

Oh that's a horrible story!

Wait, what does this have to do with anything in this topic?

Modifié par Super_Cat, 31 mars 2010 - 01:45 .

[Godak]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

I may sound like an a-hole but this is the very reason why i sometimes DO like North Korea's methods of public execution.

There was this case several years ago where two boys(this took place in britain) tortured a 5 year old child, doused him in gasoline, beat him up and left him for dead on a rail way track to be cut in half by a train.

Do you know whats their punishment? A slap on the wrist...

That's less "bullying" and more "murder".

[SithLordExarKun]

Super_Cat wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

I may sound like an a-hole but this is the very reason why i sometimes DO like North Korea's methods of public execution.

There was this case several years ago where two boys(this took place in britain) tortured a 5 year old child, doused him in gasoline, beat him up and left him for dead on a rail way track to be cut in half by a train.

Do you know whats their punishment? A slap on the wrist...

Oh that's horrible!

Wait, what does this have to do with anything in this topic?

Nothing, just thought i'd share.  The thing is i don't like the idea of those bullies getting away with this the same way those 2 brutal murderers did.

I know exactly how those parents felt, i was involved in a murder a few years ago and the son of a **** responsible was never caught.

[Godak]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

i was involved in a murder a few years ago and the son of a **** responsible was never caught.

[SithLordExarKun]

Not directly... don't get the wrong idea. I just hate it when people get away with things and not being punished, i wanted to go as far as to look for that SOB.. well i don't think i need to type the rest.



This brought back horrible memories, forget i said anything.

[Super_Cat]

Well bullying and murder are two different things. I think charging bullies with murder when their victim commits suicide is a little too extreme.



Plus there are always other factors in suicide. The school didn't do much to stop it and the girl may have had other issues, you never know. All the blame can't be put on the bullies.

[Nhadalie]

Super_Cat wrote...

Well bullying and murder are two different things. I think charging bullies with murder when their victim commits suicide is a little too extreme.

Plus there are always other factors in suicide. The school didn't do much to stop it and the girl may have had other issues, you never know. All the blame can't be put on the bullies.

If there was a specific person bullying them more than anything, they could be charged with something. And it has happened before. They wouldn't be charged with murder. But they would be charged for their actions.

The school is probably getting overrun by charges as well. Teachers are supposed to keep an eye out for this kind of stuff, and take it to either a counselor or the principal. Someone should have approached the girl, and at least suggested that she talk to the counselor or get some help from a psychologist.

Speaking of which, the people who bullied her are apparently facing charges. www.dbtechno.com/curiosity/2010/03/29/students-facing-bullying-charges-in-suicide-of-phoebe-prince/

Modifié par Nhadalie, 31 mars 2010 - 02:02 .

[SithLordExarKun]

They played a massive role for her to commit suicide thats for one. Maybe not charged with a murders punishment but definately not let off the hook.

[addiction21]

Dark Lilith wrote...

I hope that her spirit is now at ease and that she finds the after life an eden.Those that bullied her need a good old fashioned ass whuppin.They are cowards and less than dirt.

Which would do little to nothing. Those kids involved should of been taken to the morgue (individualy so they can not support each other) and taken to see here cold discolored body and forced to accept the responsibility for their actions.
Made to go face her parents and family. Made to see the reprecussions of what they have done.

Physicality does litte except continue the circle of anger and misunderstanding. Physical injuries will heal mental scars will last a long time and make a larger impact.

[Angband21]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

They played a massive role for her to commit suicide thats for one. Maybe not charged with a murders punishment but definately not let off the hook.

Rape apparently took place. Now that is a major crime and those that took part, either by commission of the act or by being there and permitting it to take place should be tried and severely punished. None of this community service BS, but real hard time.

[Statulos]

Super_Cat wrote...

I wonder why people refer to suicide as the easy way out?

I find it easier to struggle through, because putting up with the bullsh** of this life is so much easier then upsetting my friends and family.

Because a 9mm throught the skull or half botle of Jack Danniels with pills takes a few seconds; enduring a life, struggling and accepting that you will loose very often times takes decades.

[Panderfringe]

Well I'll just say that I am so damn happy not a single one of you will be making any sort of important decisions.

[Goth Skunk]

Sad truth of reality is, Bullying goes unnoticed until a victim of it takes matters into their own hands. Whether by going on a shooting spree or taking their own life.
There was an episode of Flashpoint where a reclusive high school student was assaulted, pinned down, force-fed garbage and forced to claim he was homosexual while an onlooker filmed it with his cellphone. Only after the video was MMS'd to every kid in school with a smart-phone was the victim allowed to get up and bear the humiliation. Understandably, he went right home in tears. The audience learned then that his family life wasn't that much better than his school life; his father is a drunk deadbeat sitting on the couch. He hasn't even got the decency to ask his son what's wrong. Instead, he asks him to 'get me another beer from the fridge.' With seemingly nowhere else to turn, the kid goes upstairs to his parents bedroom and grabs a revolver hidden in a shoebox under the bed, then leaves the house, presumably to return to school.
As a victim of bullying for years throughout my childhood, the first thought that entered my head was, 'I'd do the exact same thing.' The second thought that entered my head was, 'Man, that's a morbid association to make.' My third thought was, 'Nevertheless, I'd still do it.'
I don't want to spoil the rest of the episode for anyone that hasn't yet seen it. Flashpoint is in my opinion, the best cop show on TV today. And though the incidents in each episode are fictional, many are inspired by real world events, making them hit very close to home for certain viewers.

Modifié par Goth Skunk, 31 mars 2010 - 03:21 .

[Goth Skunk]

randumb vanguard wrote...

Inever realized how common suicidal thoughts were and how many people are willing to admit it...

Fact: The percentage of people that have contemplated suicide at some point in time in their life is 100%

[Stanley Woo]

Sorry, folks, but this ain't really appropriate discussion material for our forums. Please take it elsewhere. Thank you.

End of line.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 31 mars 2010 - 04:31 .