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[Eshaye]

Sure PC female and Alistair can't have a child, that doesn't mean the PC can't have a child... There's lots of ways to go around it, inspired by the Morrigan ritual and Alistair's potential parentage I was thinking my royal Cousland could ask Zevran to be the father-donor. His features aren't all that removed from Alistair other then being elven, and that child would be human anyway; you'd fool the court rather easily I'd say.



And while Alistair wouldn't totally relish the idea I think you could convince him this is a good thing and put the court at ease, the only problem then is you're putting a Cousland on the throne not a Therein and lying about it. But then again I'm a big Cousland supporter and my other way of getting around the whole heir problem would be to assign other heirs in case you don't get one of your own, so Fergus' future son for example could be an heir for the throne instead. This might actually be seen favorably at court.



We're still not 100% if a warden's child is tainted, Fiona didn't have a tainted baby but then again her own taint was also removed. We just know one warden can have a very hard time conceiving and generally it doesn't happen, which makes me think it's happened a few times though rarely, making the chances of two wardens conceiving next to impossible, but that's not saying it's completely impossible either it's just highly unlikely unless the writer wants it to be so.



Anyway I do think the warden could have a child somehow but because there's too many variables to consider I don't think it'll be in a new game in a big way, maybe a vague mention somewhere and that's about it.

[Miaoyin]

I'm glad I'm not the only person who thinks this way. *laughs* Yes, I want my human noble female, queen married to Alistair, to have babies. If she's not already had one (cause they spent a lot of time together in camp in Origins) and it just *wasn't mentioned* in Awakenings, then she needs to get preggers as soon as she gets back to court. She still fulfills duties as a Grey Warden, but teaching her children to be warriors (manner of speaking... one needs to be all stabby, at least) is her focus and her pride.



One boy, one girl, both taking after their parents. They're tainted in that they can sense darkspawn and have awful nightmares, but so far there hasn't been any impact to their health. Time will tell whether or not they live past 40. Lillia (my char) and Alistair make every moment together count cause they know they will only be around until their kids are 20 or so.... unless they die tomorrow, of course. I anticipate kidnappers holding the kids ransom at some point, but not only are they rescued, but they protect each other using the skills their parents taught them.



Yes.... I have a whole little story for my char....

[Miaoyin]

Arg, double post.  Sorries!

Modifié par Miaoyin, 31 mars 2010 - 05:46 .

[NamiraWilhelm]

Hmm, i suppose when your royalty you'll have wet nurses and carers who'll take the child on. I dont like the idea of the warden beig pinned down to one place

[Proph2525]

There is nothing in the game that suggests a warden's child would be tainted, aside from the "dark promise" where the child somehow bears taint, even before conception, though that's part of some strange ancient ritual that we know nothing about.



However, there are a few points in the game where people speak of Grey Wardens being married, and leading normal lives. For example: The bartender in Lothering says "My grandfather served, your secret's safe with me." Which suggests he's the descendant of a Warden. Then you have Levi Dryden, whom you know is descended from a Warden. You also have Kristoff, who is married, no children that I know of though.



The taint isn't a disease that can be transferred, it's a poison, a toxin. You can only get it by taking it into yourself, you can't spread it to other people like a virus.



So yes, Wardens can have children.



As for the OP's question of why they don't have a child in the epilogue, it's probably because Awakening most likely won't be the last expansion. We're not even at the 1 year anniversary of DAO and there's a 2 year DLC/Expansion release plan. Your Warden's story might not yet be over...

[mfr001]

Grandfather may have been a Grey Warden after this son/daughter was born, so the disease may not have been transferred anyway. A more interesting possibility is that, following Warden's Keep, the research of Avernus could lead to a resistant x resistant hybrid which lives a normal life span, tipping the balance in favour of the wardens.



A vision of Terry Pratchett's Last Hero chasing an Archdemon in a wheelchair with wings appears, Fourth generation Grey Warden?



Hmm. Genetics vs the Blight - tell it to the potatoes.

[Proph2525]

mfr001 wrote...

the disease may not have been transferred anyway.

The taint is poison, not a disease. Considering that Grey Wardens become immune to all forms of blight sickness, it further reinforces the point that the taint can only be transferred through the ingestion of blood--the ingestion of poison.

Your theory is like saying that if someone drank a bottle of anti-freeze and then had sex with someone that the effects of the anti-freeze would be sexually transmitted. So in short, ridiculous.

[AuraofMana]

First, I want to apologize for posting this thread in here. I had no idea

where to post this

So you post in the CHARACTER BUILD forum?

[epeeist]

I think I read somewhere "official" (codex? but I could be mistaken) or semi-official (dev post somewhere) that the lack of fertility means 1 GW parent, highly unlikely, 2 GW parents, extraordinarily rare (but not unheard of). If I recall correctly Morrigan in dialogue if you suggest the other GW (Riordan?) notes that it's because he's been a GW so long that he is not an option, only the (male) PC or Alistair/Logain/either as applicable.



For storyline/sequels, if Alistair were king, one would imagine that there would be pressure for him to marry and father an heir (or sleep around and father a bastard heir) ASAP - presumably the relative lack of fertility of GWs would be something that the better-educated would be aware of even if the general populace weren't and even without knowing the reasons. There was in-game dialogue or at least gossip about Anora's possible infertility and I think a letter from the Redcliffe Arl to King Cailan on the topic and importance of an heir. Otherwise, the line dies out (and in-game, even though being a bastard, Alistair was favoured for that reason and if chosen to do the rite with Morrigan worries about the child claiming the throne later, which she guarantees won't happen).

[Herr Uhl]

mochen wrote...

I want to make Sten a grey warden and have is babies! I can just imagine him in a father role...aw he'd be so good at changing nappies and sterilizing bottles

This brings up the question if there could be any viable offspring between Qunari and dwarves/elves/humans. My vote is on horribly deformed lump of meat.

[oyzar]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

That would rather difficult... considering my PC and Zev are both male.

You're just not trying hard enough!

I told Leliana we were going to work to get her pregnant and two months later she announced she'd missed her [unspeakable female thing]. She's starting to show and I expect she'll deliver by the next xpac.

virumor wrote...

I'd like something meaningful... maybe an inventory slot being occupied by a baby. 

Or maybe you could equip it and get a bonus to spirit defense. Something meaningful like that.

How do you get to the point to tell leliana that or is this some sort of mod?

[Lowenhart]

nikki191 wrote...

man giving birth to a child with the taint? really not somethign you want to do

Why we could call him chucky?

[Herr Uhl]

oyzar wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

That would rather difficult... considering my PC and Zev are both male.

You're just not trying hard enough!

I told Leliana we were going to work to get her pregnant and two months later she announced she'd missed her [unspeakable female thing]. She's starting to show and I expect she'll deliver by the next xpac.

virumor wrote...

I'd like something meaningful... maybe an inventory slot being occupied by a baby. 

Or maybe you could equip it and get a bonus to spirit defense. Something meaningful like that.

How do you get to the point to tell leliana that or is this some sort of mod?

She has put a printed picture of Leli's face on a life-size doll. You figure the rest.

[oyzar]

Well doesn't seem like something that would be too hard to mod in...

[johneboy1970]

First off, hats off to the OP...the wording of the title of the post cracked me up.



I really think that Bioware should run with this idea. Imagine the DLC: ancient elvish baby booties and dragon scale diapers, side quests which involve getting (or making) a potion for the kid's colic, and new abilities like 'lullabye' for bards. And it might shine a new light on the eternal question: how does one child proof a keep?

[Bratt1204]

johneboy1970 wrote...

First off, hats off to the OP...the wording of the title of the post cracked me up.

I really think that Bioware should run with this idea. Imagine the DLC: ancient elvish baby booties and dragon scale diapers, side quests which involve getting (or making) a potion for the kid's colic, and new abilities like 'lullabye' for bards. And it might shine a new light on the eternal question: how does one child proof a keep?

Agreed.

[oyzar]

Actually now that I think about it a quest to get fertile so the warden and alistar can have a baby would be perfect as a DLC.

[Lowenhart]

johneboy1970 wrote...

First off, hats off to the OP...the wording of the title of the post cracked me up.

I really think that Bioware should run with this idea. Imagine the DLC: ancient elvish baby booties and dragon scale diapers, side quests which involve getting (or making) a potion for the kid's colic, and new abilities like 'lullabye' for bards. And it might shine a new light on the eternal question: how does one child proof a keep?

Isnt that what The sims and Second life is for?

[LyudmilaKatzen]

Oh god please no. No babies. No, no, no. I second Lowenhart, go play the Sims if you want to raise a family. If my Warden had a baby I'd leave it on the chantry doorstep.

[Bratt1204]

Posted by David Gaider: "Well... just because it's never happened doesn't mean it never could, I suppose. There are always exceptions. So if you involve some mysterious Tevinter fertility charm... why not? Really I'm just talking about the fact that Grey Wardens never produce offspring together naturally. Unnaturally is an entirely different story." My point exactly, anything is a possibility and would make for a great storyline continuation.

[Majspuffen]

Wynne's words comes to mind;

Love is ultimately selfish. Being a Grey Warden is about serving others.

A proper Grey Warden would never consider having a child. "In peace, Vigilance". Kinda hard to keep your vigil if you're occupied by raising a child. Besides, the Grey Wardens are supposed to stop the taint, not spread it!

[Offkorn]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

Yeah, I haven't played Awakenings yet, but I truly thought Avernus would be back with a cure for the taint or something.  But I heard that none of the DLCs transferred over to Awakenings.

Actually... oddly... if you talk to Woolsey in your Keep about why Weishaup cares about Amaranthine, she'll reference how you learned of Dryden's fall at Soldier's Peak.

Not sure if she does this regardless, or only if you've already cleared Soldier's Peak.

Proph2525 wrote...

The taint is poison, not a disease.

The sundry mentions of "Darkspawn Disease" in Awakening disagree with you.

[Bratt1204]

Majspuffen wrote...

Wynne's words comes to mind;
Love is ultimately selfish. Being a Grey Warden is about serving others.
A proper Grey Warden would never consider having a child. "In peace, Vigilance". Kinda hard to keep your vigil if you're occupied by raising a child. Besides, the Grey Wardens are supposed to stop the taint, not spread it!

A 'proper' Grey Warden would never consider having a child, really? They are human after all, aren't they?? They can still do 'human things', like eat, drink, sleep, maintain friendships, fall in love, have sex (which leads to making babies). Being Vigilant does not mean you cannot have a life and being a Grey Warden does not require a vow of chastity. After all, there isn't a Blight going on endlessly, is there?