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[Varenus Luckmann]

mcomommy wrote...

Seriously...with all the uproar over the changes between DAO and DAA, and the short play time for a full games price, I didn't pre-order DAA until a week before release. With the lack of fixs for all the bugs that DAA came with, DA2 is definatly going on the 'Do Not Buy' list. I can get this kind of crappy support from a 20$ game if I thought this kind of head ache was fun.

Actually, a 20$ game is likely so old that, if nothing else, the community have patched the hell out of it and there has been a consensus as to what stuff is "necessary".

It seems like ElectroWare actually thought that the modding community was there to be bug support. But in fact, with all the caveats and pitfalls they've put throughout all resources, it's even stopping the modding community from fixing many of the more serious issues. Just consider something as retarded as the resources for awakening being locked down.

It's like.. "What?".

[Ratsneve]

MonkeyChief117 wrote...

Has there been any news/confirmation by BW that they are going to fix these bugs. So far i've heard nothing from them since awakenings was released...

There isn't even any acknowledgement from Bioware/EA that there are any problems.

Modifié par Ratsneve, 01 avril 2010 - 04:06 .

[Ratsneve]

iHNS wrote...

I'm buying Awakening soon, but I'm not installing it on my computer until I see a polite movement from ElectronicArts taking care of the sh*t in the game. Also, may I ask EA, WHY THE F*CK DO YOU HAVE TO MESS GAMES UP SO MUCH? Do your own stuff and let Bioware make a step on. Of course we seperate Electronic Arts from Bioware, EA sucks c*ck while Bioware doesn't, quite obviously, until EA gets in the game and mess every company's possible awesome game up.

I know this post will be disregarded by every single official that visits this page, but I don't care since I only speak the plain truth. Do not try maintaining things in this thread that unreasonably support EA.

Why in the world buy Awakening now before it's fixed just to let it sit?  You sound pissed enough that I would think you'd wait until it's fixed and then buy it?  By that time too EA may be giving Awakening away.

Modifié par Ratsneve, 31 mars 2010 - 11:51 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

Ratsneve wrote...

MonkeyChief117 wrote...
Has there been any news/confirmation by BW that they are going to fix these bugs. So far i've heard nothing from them since awakenings was released...

There isn't even any acknowledgement from Bioware/EA that there are any problems.  The funny thing is there seems to be work-arounds or ways to avoid all the bugs I've heard about so far which lends me to think that the damn game is still playable.  That sort of solution really sucks though.

Clues like wait until Blackmarsh is the last main area before playing it could be helpful but I don't know why yet.  I need to find a comprehensive game plan for Awakening.  Sigh...where's that Wiki.

A game isn't supposed to be played with a wiki in the background.

The two developers behind Awakening probably had a checklist that they made while creating the module, that they went through once before shipping the game. They can't possibly comprehend what's wrong with the game, because they only played through everything once, if even that.

"Yes, character swings sword. Mages cast spells. Stealth isn't broken. Looks good. Ship it."

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 31 mars 2010 - 11:51 .

[Ratsneve]

mcomommy wrote...

Seriously...with all the uproar over the changes between DAO and DAA, and the short play time for a full games price, I didn't pre-order DAA until a week before release. With the lack of fixs for all the bugs that DAA came with, DA2 is definatly going on the 'Do Not Buy' list. I can get this kind of crappy support from a 20$ game if I thought this kind of head ache was fun.

It will be very interesting to see if the BioWare brand ever straightens out Awakening and does any more DA DLCs, Expansions, and by next February a DA2?  My guess right now is BioWare is in a mess and isn't functioning.  That would explain why no one at EA/BioWare is saying anything--no acknowledgement--nothing.

[MCPOWill]

Look, EA won't fix it b/c I see the majority of you bought their broken product for $40. They knew you would buy, sure they know you would complain, but you bought the product. To EA, it's not about quality but quantity and it is because of that Awakening did not have a proper enough dev time that there are glitches, but you know EA forced BW to release it early for $40, hell they contemplated $50 and most of you maybe have still bought, not as many probably, but there still would have been purchases.

They all ready got your money, why fix it? Hell instead of fixing it, lets release more! EA only cares for money and making a lot of it. Just Ubisoft and those ass backwards Assassin Creed portable games and what is going to happen with the COD franchise in the hands of Activision (Treyarch is making another WWII game and there is an action-adventure game, oh and a SUBCRIPTION BASED online COD network). It's sad to see EA rushed BW into this game and is only using BW and you as a means to increase the size of there pocket book. That is way things work here in Corporate America. We are all just pawns and bags of money waiting to be reached into. That being said once there is a DA2 they'll advertise it and most of you will buy it, despite quality or better said, if (and when)  they release future expansions.

Now back to DAA they will probably patch it, they'll let BW do that much. But see if you want a better quality game just don't purchase or support it. And instead write letters and organize a protest, make it so your voice is truly heard. Because in a way, complaints are just a way of saying "I like how things are so I can complain about it." Finally I'm all for game devs like Bioware expanding their games, but I like to see quality that will live up to the original, and something worth me money, especially $40. Hell if Rockstar can release a 'DLC Expansion' the for GTA IV the size of San Andreas for only $20, or the Bethesda with TES IV: Oblivion, the Shivering Isles for $30, I'm expecting a fairly large game. From what I hear (please correct me if I'm wrong)  Awakening is 15 hours. That is a little disappointing for $40. I'm all for the artist's expression, but when the guy who is producing it forces the artist to do a rush job, so he can make a nice lump of cash, something is truly wrong there.

(Edit note: I separated my thoughts into paragraphs and added a little more.)

Modifié par MCPOWill, 01 avril 2010 - 10:56 .

[ANDY5151]

MCPOWill wrote...

Look, EA won't fix it b/c I see the majority of you bought their broken product for $40. They knew you would buy, sure they know you would complain, but you bought the product. To EA, it's not about quality but quantity and it is because of that Awakening did not have a proper enough dev time that there are glitches, but you know EA forced BW to release it early for $40, hell the contemplated $50 and most of you maybe have still bought, not as many but there still would have been purchases.They all ready got your money, why fix it? Hell instead of fixing lets release more. EA only cares for money and making a lot of it. Just Ubisoft and those ass backwards Assassin Creed portable games and what is going to happen with the COD franchise (Treyarch is making another WWII game and there is an action-adventure game, oh and a SUBCRIPTION BASED online COD network). It's sad to see EA rush BW into this game of using BW and you as a means to increase the size of there pocket book. That is way things work here in Corporate America. We are all just pawns and bags of money waiting to be reached into. That being said once there is a DA2 they'll advertise it and most of you will buy it, despite quality or better said, another expansion. Now back to DAA they will probably patch it, they'll let BW do that much. But see if you want a better quality game just don't purchase or support it. And instead write letters and organize a protest, make it so your voice is truly heard. Because in a way complaints are just a way of saying "I like how things are so I can complain about it." Finally I'm all for game devs like Bioware expanding their games, but I like to see quality that will live up to the original, and something worth me money. I'm all for the artist's expression, but when the guy who is producing it forces the artist to do a rush job, so he can make a nice lump of cash, something is truly wrong there.

Agreed. im sorry i did.

[Varenus Luckmann]

MCPOWill wrote...
Look, EA won't fix it b/c I see the majority of you bought their broken product for $40. They knew you would buy, sure they know you would complain, but you bought the product. To EA, it's not about quality but quantity and it is because of that Awakening did not have a proper enough dev time that there are glitches, but you know EA forced BW to release it early for $40, hell the contemplated $50 and most of you maybe have still bought, not as many but there still would have been purchases.They all ready got your money, why fix it? Hell instead of fixing lets release more. EA only cares for money and making a lot of it. Just Ubisoft and those ass backwards Assassin Creed portable games and what is going to happen with the COD franchise (Treyarch is making another WWII game and there is an action-adventure game, oh and a SUBCRIPTION BASED online COD network). It's sad to see EA rush BW into this game of using BW and you as a means to increase the size of there pocket book. That is way things work here in Corporate America. We are all just pawns and bags of money waiting to be reached into. That being said once there is a DA2 they'll advertise it and most of you will buy it, despite quality or better said, another expansion. Now back to DAA they will probably patch it, they'll let BW do that much. But see if you want a better quality game just don't purchase or support it. And instead write letters and organize a protest, make it so your voice is truly heard. Because in a way complaints are just a way of saying "I like how things are so I can complain about it." Finally I'm all for game devs like Bioware expanding their games, but I like to see quality that will live up to the original, and something worth me money. I'm all for the artist's expression, but when the guy who is producing it forces the artist to do a rush job, so he can make a nice lump of cash, something is truly wrong there.

Holy schmoley. Damn. I honestly tried to read that, but it's one massive block of text. You made a fair point in the beginning, before I stopped reading.

Clean it up a bit, and I'm sure the message will be conveyed better.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Ratsneve wrote...

mcomommy wrote...
Seriously...with all the uproar over the changes between DAO and DAA, and the short play time for a full games price, I didn't pre-order DAA until a week before release. With the lack of fixs for all the bugs that DAA came with, DA2 is definatly going on the 'Do Not Buy' list. I can get this kind of crappy support from a 20$ game if I thought this kind of head ache was fun.

It will be very interesting to see if the BioWare brand ever straightens out Awakening and does any more DA DLCs, Expansions, and by next February a DA2?  My guess right now is BioWare is in a mess and isn't functioning.  That would explain why no one at EA/BioWare is saying anything--no acknowledgement--nothing.

Haha, yeah. I remember when people were going all "So soon?" when it came to DA2. Odds are that they'll try to churn out followups and DLC like episodicals, all of similar sub-par quality.

They're hoping that once DAO2 is released, they can just forget completely about DAO and stop all support for it. Or.. well.. you know.. continue to do what they're doing already.

Which is nothing.

Awakening won't be fixed, because they don't see anything wrong with it, wheter it's the bugs, the fact that nothing carries over into the main game, or that DLCs aren't carried into it. 1.03 won't be fixed, because it actually managed the feat of introducing more issues than have been solved since 1.00.

In 5 months, they have actually managed to make their passable-but-bugged game inte near-unplayableness. I suppose that counts as some kind of achievement.

[Balder84]

I read EA's mission statement the other day, and thought to my self - they forgot to include 'poor tech support and a strong desire to F!$% up good games'

[Crowwalker100]

I have had no problems with it. But gamers seem to be 70% whiners from what I see.

[angelo1907]

sarx8172 wrote...

A bit self-righteous, aren't you? I'd like to see you design a game in such a short span of time and make it have absolutely no bugs.

Seriously,your post makes no sense.Who said anything about a game with no bugs at all?The problem are the game breaking bugs that exist since the original game was released for many users(myself included).

6 months have passed since then..a short span of time?I think not.

Crowwalker100 wrote...

I have had no problems with it. But gamers seem to be 70% whiners from what I see.

Oh really?How ironic your statement is my friend.
Well of course you would not be upset since you have no problem with it ffs!The other 70% of the players that DO have a problem with it "whine" as you said because they bought an unfinished product that works as intented for only a certain percent of the gamer population.(like you)

Trust me,you would be a "whiner" too if you had bought the original game and wasn't able to play it till now.6 months after release.The expansion is out and the game is STILL UNPLAYABLE!!!kk cool guy?

Modifié par angelo1907, 01 avril 2010 - 05:51 .

[sarx8172]

angelo1907 wrote...

sarx8172 wrote...

A bit self-righteous, aren't you? I'd like to see you design a game in such a short span of time and make it have absolutely no bugs.

Seriously,your post makes no sense.Who said anything about a game with no bugs at all?The problem are the game breaking bugs that exist since the original game was released for many users(myself included).

6 months have passed since then..a short span of time?I think not.

I would quote what I was referring to, but since the OP editted his/her post, I can see why my post would fail to make any sense whatsoever.

What game-breaking bugs are present in the original game? I encountered none, and as far as I've read on the forums, I haven't read of any either. (I'm asking for clarification, and I'm not doubting what you say, because I'm sure it's true)

[Valsung]

sarx8172 wrote...

angelo1907 wrote...

sarx8172 wrote...

A bit self-righteous, aren't you? I'd like to see you design a game in such a short span of time and make it have absolutely no bugs.

Seriously,your post makes no sense.Who said anything about a game with no bugs at all?The problem are the game breaking bugs that exist since the original game was released for many users(myself included).

6 months have passed since then..a short span of time?I think not.

I would quote what I was referring to, but since the OP editted his/her post, I can see why my post would fail to make any sense whatsoever.

What game-breaking bugs are present in the original game? I encountered none, and as far as I've read on the forums, I haven't read of any either. (I'm asking for clarification, and I'm not doubting what you say, because I'm sure it's true)

Many players experienced the progressively longer loading times, eventually they'd get so bad that they'd take 20 minutes or more, granted that you only had to exit and restart the game to reset the loading times and start it all over again, and granted they attempted to "fix" it with 1.03 (which likely ended up breaking everything for everyone) however that's still a game-breaking bug. Totally ruins immersion.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Balder84 wrote...
I read EA's mission statement the other day, and thought to my self - they forgot to include 'poor tech support and a strong desire to F!$% up good games'

They have a mission statement?

Well that's rich.

[Varenus Luckmann]

sarx8172 wrote...
[...]

What game-breaking bugs are present in the original game? I encountered none, and as far as I've read on the forums, I haven't read of any either. (I'm asking for clarification, and I'm not doubting what you say, because I'm sure it's true)

Oghren doesn't show up anywhere, for me. Leaving me unable to continue the game, since he's a integral plot character in the Deep Roads/"A Paragon of Her Kind".

Has it happened every playthrough? No. Only the one that mattered.

[Valsung]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Balder84 wrote...
I read EA's mission statement the other day, and thought to my self - they forgot to include 'poor tech support and a strong desire to F!$% up good games'

They have a mission statement?

Well that's rich.

They just "assigned" a new head to Blizzard today. EA is on a course for profits, nothing more, terribly sad really. Hurts to see companies that I was proud of get swallowed up by publishers. Yet I still but their ****, I guess that says a lot about the kind of person I am >

Here's what Bobby Kotick had to say about WoW for example:

"And Tony, you know if it was left to me, I would raise the prices even further."

source: www.gamegrep.com/industry_news/23647-activision_blizzard_conference_call_ceo_bobby_kotick_i_would_raise_the_prices_even_further/

Modifié par Valsung, 01 avril 2010 - 07:27 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

Yeah, I know of that grade-A douchebag. Check out this article. It's amazing that people don't react to it, but I'm still not really surprised. The new age of gaming seems built around pacification and consumerism.

It's becoming painfully evident that the gaming community and market I grew up with is long dead and gone, unfortunately. It's a mixed blessing, because my favourite passtime and medium is slowly degenerating into a cesspool of fail and moneygrubbing, but on the other hand, it could end up forcing me to finally get going on something worthwile.

Or not.

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 01 avril 2010 - 08:20 .

[Valsung]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Yeah, I know of that grade-A douchebag. Check out this article. It's amazing that people don't react to it, but I'm still not really surprised. The new age of gaming seems built around pacification and consumerism.

It's becoming painfully evident that the gaming community and market I grew up with is long dead and gone, unfortunately. It's a mixed blessing, because my favourite passtime and medium is slowly degenerating into a cesspool of fail and moneygrubbing, but on the other hand, it could end up forcing me to finally get going on something worthwile.

Or not.

I think the majority of it is dead, but there are still some endearing indie games and a couple dozen publishers that put out good quality stuff, it just doesn't get too much exposure since, well they don't have leviathan publishers to push them out past all the crap, not that any large publisher is interested in that hah.

[Ratsneve]

Awakening isn't an expansion of the Dragon Age story, its an obstacle course or maze of 'how to', 'what to', and 'where to next' to go from A to Z. I can't appreciate the story any more. I'm mailing in the game and starting the process of getting my refund back today.

[pvpgirl]

Crowwalker100 wrote...

I have had no problems with it. But gamers seem to be 70% whiners from what I see.

So that makes you...what? one of the few people who actually bought awakenings and doesn't crash upon:

a. entering combat
b. casting...well lets face it..ANY AoE spell
c. talking to (insert random character name here)
d. all of the above.

Congradulations!  You are the minority! What do you win?  They envy of your peers.  Feel better now?

Yes, we are bunch of whiners because we actually want to play the games we bought.  Funny how that works.  It's like buying a car and then wanting to drive it.  The horror! Only, the car you bought didn't come with an engine so it just sits in your driveway looking spiffy.  Way to keep up with the Joneses.

Modifié par mcomommy, 01 avril 2010 - 04:29 .

[bzombo]

MCPOWill wrote...

Look, EA won't fix it b/c I see the majority of you bought their broken product for $40. They knew you would buy, sure they know you would complain, but you bought the product. To EA, it's not about quality but quantity and it is because of that Awakening did not have a proper enough dev time that there are glitches, but you know EA forced BW to release it early for $40, hell the contemplated $50 and most of you maybe have still bought, not as many but there still would have been purchases.They all ready got your money, why fix it? Hell instead of fixing lets release more. EA only cares for money and making a lot of it. Just Ubisoft and those ass backwards Assassin Creed portable games and what is going to happen with the COD franchise (Treyarch is making another WWII game and there is an action-adventure game, oh and a SUBCRIPTION BASED online COD network). It's sad to see EA rush BW into this game of using BW and you as a means to increase the size of there pocket book. That is way things work here in Corporate America. We are all just pawns and bags of money waiting to be reached into. That being said once there is a DA2 they'll advertise it and most of you will buy it, despite quality or better said, another expansion. Now back to DAA they will probably patch it, they'll let BW do that much. But see if you want a better quality game just don't purchase or support it. And instead write letters and organize a protest, make it so your voice is truly heard. Because in a way complaints are just a way of saying "I like how things are so I can complain about it." Finally I'm all for game devs like Bioware expanding their games, but I like to see quality that will live up to the original, and something worth me money. I'm all for the artist's expression, but when the guy who is producing it forces the artist to do a rush job, so he can make a nice lump of cash, something is truly wrong there.

um....wow.

[Levi28001]

Why does everyone seperate EA and Bioware?

If I bought over priced food at harris teeter (A supermarket in my area or US.) I would blame them and not the brand of food too....?

Modifié par Levi28001, 01 avril 2010 - 06:04 .

[bzombo]

angelo1907 wrote...

sarx8172 wrote...

A bit self-righteous, aren't you? I'd like to see you design a game in such a short span of time and make it have absolutely no bugs.

Seriously,your post makes no sense.Who said anything about a game with no bugs at all?The problem are the game breaking bugs that exist since the original game was released for many users(myself included).

6 months have passed since then..a short span of time?I think not.

Crowwalker100 wrote...

I have had no problems with it. But gamers seem to be 70% whiners from what I see.

Oh really?How ironic your statement is my friend.
Well of course you would not be upset since you have no problem with it ffs!The other 70% of the players that DO have a problem with it "whine" as you said because they bought an unfinished product that works as intented for only a certain percent of the gamer population.(like you)

Trust me,you would be a "whiner" too if you had bought the original game and wasn't able to play it till now.6 months after release.The expansion is out and the game is STILL UNPLAYABLE!!!kk cool guy?

what the heck are you playing it on that origins is still unplayable for you? i can understand there being bugs that may mess with things, but for a game to be unplayable when it is very playable with the 1.02a patch i wonder what you're trying to play it on.