My theory is that he is the Shadow Broker. His information is always "Good", and he seems to be evasive enough that the second best information broker in the galaxy, Liara, wouldn't be able to get to him.
Also, the stuff in the comics and a number of his dialogue scenes point my opinion that way. Just a hunch though.
I think TIM is working for the Reapers...
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#27
Posté 31 mars 2010 - 12:08
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WHY?
That's my question to you. Why would he do this? Also even if he were what would be the point of the entire plot of ME2?
That's my question to you. Why would he do this? Also even if he were what would be the point of the entire plot of ME2?
Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...
The Lazarus Project shows he has access to advanced technology, and a Collector ship just so happens to attack the Normandy after he tells Miranda to see to it that Shepard doesn't slip through their fingers, and that's all just coincidence?
No, I think TIM & Miranda are working for the Reapers.
[b}DISCLAIMER: The facts I've mentioned here are revealed right at the beginning of the game, and it's highly unlikely that anyone who hasn't played at least that far into the game would visit this section of the boards or enter this topic, and thus the aforementioned facts and opinions do not quality as spoiers.[/b]
#28
Posté 31 mars 2010 - 12:10
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My theory is that it's no spoilers forum.
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 12:14
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It's doubtful, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Reapers succeeding in converting TIM (through indoctrination, obviously) to their side at the end.
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 12:40
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eternalnightmare13 wrote...
WHY?
That's my question to you. Why would he do this? Also even if he were what would be the point of the entire plot of ME2?
I guess we'll find out more with Issue 4 and ME3.
As to your point of "what would be the point of the plot of ME2" What does it have to do with the plot of ME2 in any way? The only mention of the Shadow Broker [sp] is via Liara and a brief discussion on Illium.[/sp] I highly doubt that it would be such a point as to centre an entire 30+ hour game around it.
Without seeing ME3 and Issue 4 of Redemption it is not possible to point out any of this whatsoever as right or wrong. As such, we must wait. All I said was that it was just a hunch of mine personally. That's all. If you don't think so, by all means, disagree, but just remember that at this point in time everything is but mere speculation.
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 01:28
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Upset Goldfish wrote...
My theory is that he is the Shadow Broker. His information is always "Good", and he seems to be evasive enough that the second best information broker in the galaxy, Liara, wouldn't be able to get to him.
Also, the stuff in the comics and a number of his dialogue scenes point my opinion that way. Just a hunch though.
Hmm, Cerberus was involved in a sitaution where a small outpost was converted into husks....
And then there was the time that the Shadow Broker sold Admiral Kahoku the location of his Cerberus research facilities on the condition that Admiral Kahoku would provide a copy of whatever data was found at the Shadow Broker's own facilities to the Shadow Broker.
Also, the Shadow Broker had Shepard's body and was going to sell Shepard's body to the Collectors, but instead decides to have Liara steal the body away from himself and return it back to him so that he could bring Shepard back.
Then the Shadow Broker spends 2 years and billions of redits reconstructing Shepard and then pays of one of his own employees to try and kill Shepard in his sleep after he is back from the dead?
Yeah, TIM being the SB makes perfect sense when you think about it. You might be on to something.
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 03:00
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So, basically...The main reason why people doubt my theory is because TIM brought Shepard back and didn't kill him?
Uh...yeah, maybe I'm just more perceptive than everyone else...But could it possibly be that after Shepard killed Sovereign, the Reapers kinda became interested in Shepard, perhaps even wanted him for their own?
I thought that Reaper they were building and the abductions made by the Collectors would've shown that the Reapers have a newfound interest in humanity, and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that if it weren't for Shepard, they wouldn't be interested in anything for another 15,000 years.
I mean, c'mon folks... If you're an all powerful living warship, and one of your all powerful living warship buddies gets owned for the first time in history by the efforts of 1 mere organic, then wouldn't you want to know more about this organic, or possibly get him to join you rather than just killing him and never knowing how or why he was able to beat your buddy?
Face it, TIM = the new Saren.
And in reality, TIM is a more serious threat than Saren was, because he commands a larger threat.
Picture this, after the events of ME1, knowing full well the potential of humanity, the Reapers contact TIM, and get him to join them through some means.
TIM has Miranda deploy a Collector ship to attack the Normany, Shepard gets spaced, Cerberus seizes his body and starts reconstructing him as instructed by the Reapers.
Then, knowing that Shepard would not willingly join Cerberus, TIM fabricates a sabotage/betrayal at the exact moment when Shepard's body is finished. This sabotage serves a dual purpose of killing all the medical staff who worked on Shepard and thus all those who had knowledge of the Reaper technology that was used to bring Shepard back, and also to make Cerberus look good when Miranda kills off the big bad traitor known as Dr. Wilson. (You know, the head Doctor who fixed Shepard and would have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to gain by double-crossing Cerberus?)
Then slowly, Shepard starts to think, "Okay, I disagree with Cerberus' methods, but they did save my life twice now, and their long term goals are noble, so maybe they're not so bad afterall..."
Uh...yeah, maybe I'm just more perceptive than everyone else...But could it possibly be that after Shepard killed Sovereign, the Reapers kinda became interested in Shepard, perhaps even wanted him for their own?
I thought that Reaper they were building and the abductions made by the Collectors would've shown that the Reapers have a newfound interest in humanity, and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that if it weren't for Shepard, they wouldn't be interested in anything for another 15,000 years.
I mean, c'mon folks... If you're an all powerful living warship, and one of your all powerful living warship buddies gets owned for the first time in history by the efforts of 1 mere organic, then wouldn't you want to know more about this organic, or possibly get him to join you rather than just killing him and never knowing how or why he was able to beat your buddy?
Face it, TIM = the new Saren.
And in reality, TIM is a more serious threat than Saren was, because he commands a larger threat.
Picture this, after the events of ME1, knowing full well the potential of humanity, the Reapers contact TIM, and get him to join them through some means.
TIM has Miranda deploy a Collector ship to attack the Normany, Shepard gets spaced, Cerberus seizes his body and starts reconstructing him as instructed by the Reapers.
Then, knowing that Shepard would not willingly join Cerberus, TIM fabricates a sabotage/betrayal at the exact moment when Shepard's body is finished. This sabotage serves a dual purpose of killing all the medical staff who worked on Shepard and thus all those who had knowledge of the Reaper technology that was used to bring Shepard back, and also to make Cerberus look good when Miranda kills off the big bad traitor known as Dr. Wilson. (You know, the head Doctor who fixed Shepard and would have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to gain by double-crossing Cerberus?)
Then slowly, Shepard starts to think, "Okay, I disagree with Cerberus' methods, but they did save my life twice now, and their long term goals are noble, so maybe they're not so bad afterall..."
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 03:08
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How the bloody hell you explain the fact he went out of his way to stop the Collectors? He gave you a ship, a crew and the free will to do whatever you wanted.
Seriously, stop the ignorance. People who think TIM is a reaper just can't fathom that any human could be like him, and yet the fact is there are plenty of people like TIM, end of the ride.
Seriously, stop the ignorance. People who think TIM is a reaper just can't fathom that any human could be like him, and yet the fact is there are plenty of people like TIM, end of the ride.
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 03:14
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Costin_Razvan wrote...
How the bloody hell you explain the fact he went out of his way to stop the Collectors? He gave you a ship, a crew and the free will to do whatever you wanted.
Seriously, stop the ignorance. People who think TIM is a reaper just can't fathom that any human could be like him, and yet the fact is there are plenty of people like TIM, end of the ride.
Hmmm... Maybe something he asked you not to destroy at the end?
Something he got REALLY pissed at you for destroying?
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 03:19
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Hmmm... Maybe something he asked you not to destroy at the end?
Something he got REALLY pissed at you for destroying?
He asked, he put you in a position where you could decide the whole fate of that base without him being able to even stop you, he even stopped Miranda from putting a control chip that could have been used for this EXACT purpose.
And how do you explain the fact he simply gives you the means to get in there, destroy the Reaper they were building and kill every collector in there?
Makes no ****ing sense that a reaper would want to kill another reaper.
Just because he gets angry for destroying the base doesn't mean squat. Hell I would probably be angry myself at Shepard, on whom I spent billions to bring back, risked my entire organization for and then when I ask him something he tels me to go to hell.
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 03:23
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Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...
Face it, TIM = the new Saren.
TIM has Miranda deploy a Collector ship to attack the Normany
No, the Illusive Man is not the new Saren.
Why do you assume that the conversation between the Illusive Man and MIranda at the beggining of the game happens before the Normany SR1 is destroyed? Think about it this way, the convo between the two, Mirande and the Illusive Man, happens at the same time Shepard gets killed. SAME TIME, meaning simultaneously. When they heard this, they did everything in their power to get his body back and rebuild Shepard.
It does not make any sense, why would the Illusive Man want to stop the Collectors, when the Collectors where buidling a new Reaper for the Reapers? Think about it, it makes no sense! Harbinger is using the Collectors to build and kill as many humans as possible, for the Human Reaper Larva. Why would he want the Illusive Man to destroy all they built and gained?
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Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...
So, basically...The main reason
why people doubt my theory is because TIM brought Shepard back and
didn't kill him?
Oh, and P.S. Where are you getting this from? From reading this thread, I got that most people think TIM is not a Reaper because he sends Shepard to go destroy the Collector's base and the Human Larva Reaper. I did not see one post stating that reasone to why your theory is false. NOT ONE!
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 03:34
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Um, yeah... Have you actually played the game to the end?
**SPOILERS**
Because when I did, TIM told me not to destroy the base or the Reaper Larva...
**END SPOILERS**
Also, I've never said that TIM was a Reaper, I said he was working for the Reapers.
**SPOILERS**
Because when I did, TIM told me not to destroy the base or the Reaper Larva...
**END SPOILERS**
Also, I've never said that TIM was a Reaper, I said he was working for the Reapers.
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 03:43
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Upset Goldfish wrote...
My theory is that he is the Shadow Broker. His information is always "Good", and he seems to be evasive enough that the second best information broker in the galaxy, Liara, wouldn't be able to get to him.
Also, the stuff in the comics and a number of his dialogue scenes point my opinion that way
How does the stuff in the comics point that way? in the comics the shadow broker is working for the Collectors and is trying to get Shepards body for them, so if TIM is the shadow broker then he basically sent Liara to stop the people working for him so he could.. get shepards body from Liara instead?
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 03:49
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Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...
Because when I did, TIM told me not to destroy the base or the Reaper Larva...
Disproves that TIM asked you to not destroy the Reaper Larva. He only ask you to not destroy the base. He wants the base to gain technology, AKA power, to help destroy the Reapers.
Why would he want to kill the Collectors and stop their progress. They were doing just fine without him. If he did not bring back Shepard at all, the Collectors would have succeeded in building a new Reaper, one to go and re-open the relay on the Citadel and let the Reapers back in from Dark Space. So why, WHY would TIM be working for the Reapers, when they where so close, and doing just perfectly fine with the Collectors?
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 03:57
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Either TIM is not working for the reapers or the reapers have established an excessively elaborate (and lame) plot to make it seem like he's not. TIM for the reapers would be a literal deus ex machine. We'd have to believe that the reapers are so all-knowing that they can predict and control the future and if they could do that, I dare say they would have figured out a way to get back to organic space and wipe everyone out by now.
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 05:10
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Give me a break, he is smoking a cigarettes and drinking cocktails. He is human and he is Shepard's ... assuming direct control.
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 05:21
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Maybe the collectors were not really the bad guys .... TIM was. Sure they ground up many many humans to make their human reaper but maybe that was to be a weapon against the reapers when they eventually showed up. TIM wanted the collectors out of the way and he used Shep to do that. The minute the collector base was destroyed/captured we got the cut scene of the Reapers showing up ...... coincidence?
If you where the ex-protean collectors and you knew first hand what the reapers would surely do, would you consider the loss of life associated with building human reapers acceptable?
Maybe the Collectors found a way to break free of the reapers and were trying in the best way they could to repel their old enemy.
Not very probable, but certainly possible
PS I hated serving TIM ...... which brings me to this 1/2 baked theory
If you where the ex-protean collectors and you knew first hand what the reapers would surely do, would you consider the loss of life associated with building human reapers acceptable?
Maybe the Collectors found a way to break free of the reapers and were trying in the best way they could to repel their old enemy.
Not very probable, but certainly possible
PS I hated serving TIM ...... which brings me to this 1/2 baked theory
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 05:33
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Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...
I mean, c'mon folks... If you're an all powerful living warship, and one of your all powerful living warship buddies gets owned for the first time in history by the efforts of 1 mere organic, then wouldn't you want to know more about this organic, or possibly get him to join you rather than just killing him and never knowing how or why he was able to beat your buddy?
Face it, TIM = the new Saren.
Right, because Shepard single handedly took down Sovereign with his fists.
Wait what? A good portion of the citadel and alliance fleets?
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DJ Vash 40 wrote...
Disproves that TIM asked you to not destroy the Reaper Larva. He only ask you to not destroy the base. He wants the base to gain technology, AKA power, to help destroy the Reapers.
Why would he want to kill the Collectors and stop their progress. They were doing just fine without him. If he did not bring back Shepard at all, the Collectors would have succeeded in building a new Reaper, one to go and re-open the relay on the Citadel and let the Reapers back in from Dark Space. So why, WHY would TIM be working for the Reapers, when they where so close, and doing just perfectly fine with the Collectors?
Because his theory is literally retarded.
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 05:48
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The minute the collector base was destroyed/captured we got the cut scene of the Reapers showing up ...... coincidence?
Or maybe because you stopped their only remaining plan, outside of coming there themselves?
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 06:22
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ImperialOperative wrote...
Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...
I mean, c'mon folks... If you're an all powerful living warship, and one of your all powerful living warship buddies gets owned for the first time in history by the efforts of 1 mere organic, then wouldn't you want to know more about this organic, or possibly get him to join you rather than just killing him and never knowing how or why he was able to beat your buddy?
Face it, TIM = the new Saren.
Right, because Shepard single handedly took down Sovereign with his fists.
Wait what? A good portion of the citadel and alliance fleets?
Actually that was one of the most foolish plot devices of ME1 ....... why would Sovereign transfer its total conciousness down to Saren when a copy or just part would do ..... forgivable though
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 06:28
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sirandar wrote...
Actually that was one of the most foolish plot devices of ME1 ....... why would Sovereign transfer its total conciousness down to Saren when a copy or just part would do ..... forgivable though
You'd think such a big CPU would be able to do more than one thing at a time.
It must be made by Apple.
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 06:31
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ImperialOperative wrote...
sirandar wrote...
Actually that was one of the most foolish plot devices of ME1 ....... why would Sovereign transfer its total conciousness down to Saren when a copy or just part would do ..... forgivable though
You'd think such a big CPU would be able to do more than one thing at a time.
It must be made by Apple.
Still running Windows 3.1
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Posté 31 mars 2010 - 10:48
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sirandar wrote...
ImperialOperative wrote...
Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...
I mean, c'mon folks... If you're an all powerful living warship, and one of your all powerful living warship buddies gets owned for the first time in history by the efforts of 1 mere organic, then wouldn't you want to know more about this organic, or possibly get him to join you rather than just killing him and never knowing how or why he was able to beat your buddy?
Face it, TIM = the new Saren.
Right, because Shepard single handedly took down Sovereign with his fists.
Wait what? A good portion of the citadel and alliance fleets?
Actually that was one of the most foolish plot devices of ME1 ....... why would Sovereign transfer its total conciousness down to Saren when a copy or just part would do ..... forgivable though
What makes you think the entire sum of Nazara's consciousness(s) transferred into Saren? Soveriegn is a nation. Only one individual "squid soul" would need to have ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL of Saren's body. Soveriegn was blowing up Alliance ship during the fight with Shepard inside the Citadel tower as shown in the cutscene half way through the gun fight in the coucil chambers.
It was the Alliance fleet's continous bombardment of Soveriegn that depleted its shields, not Shepard defeating Saren's posessed techno super geth hooper skeletor zombie body. The two fights were synchronized for dramatic effect.
