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[Patrickblah]

that would be lame since i am a tim supporter and i think he is awesome and not a traitor

[Drakron]

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

What makes you think the entire sum of Nazara's consciousness(s) transferred into Saren?

Well I am kinda guilty of that as I also did put the theory that destroying Saren/Soveriegn somehow stun it and allowed the Fleet to destroy it but I doubt that I was the first advancing such theory.

I do point out a error you are making, they are "many minds, one will" ... they are still each a individual and have limits, that is evident on Harbinger that despite being able to take control over any Collector never does it and only take control over one each time that reinforces the idea they can only focus on one thing at a time.

If you want to bring Soveriegn ... the time were he fires on the fleet is at the midway health bar, before that he did almost nothing but sit there and take hits, you can say all you want but the reason they put that scene was to remove the Saren/Soveriegn we were fighting, replace it with a new one with half health and re-start the battle.

Also even I do not think they can put their consiouness on a body they seem to avoid the situation were the body is destroyed, Harbinger always abandon the body just prior to destruction.

[Upset Goldfish]

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

Upset Goldfish wrote...

My theory is that he is the Shadow Broker. His information is always "Good", and he seems to be evasive enough that the second best information broker in the galaxy, Liara, wouldn't be able to get to him.

Also, the stuff in the comics and a number of his dialogue scenes point my opinion that way. Just a hunch though.

Hmm, Cerberus was involved in a sitaution where a small outpost was converted into husks....

And then there was the time that the Shadow Broker sold Admiral Kahoku the location of his Cerberus research facilities on the condition that Admiral Kahoku would provide a copy of whatever data was found at the Shadow Broker's own facilities to the Shadow Broker.

Also, the Shadow Broker had Shepard's body and was going to sell Shepard's body to the Collectors, but instead decides to have Liara steal the body away from himself and return it back to him so that he could bring Shepard back.

Then the Shadow Broker spends 2 years and billions of redits reconstructing Shepard and then pays of one of his own employees to try and kill Shepard in his sleep after he is back from the dead?

Yeah, TIM being the SB makes perfect sense when you think about it. You might be on to something.

True................

Well perhaps he isn't the shadow broker then, but he does seem to be evolving into the new Saren, that's for sure. Judging from the other theories at least.

[Your Synthetic Superior]

Drakron wrote...

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

What makes you think the entire sum of Nazara's consciousness(s) transferred into Saren?

Well I am kinda guilty of that as I also did put the theory that destroying Saren/Soveriegn somehow stun it and allowed the Fleet to destroy it but I doubt that I was the first advancing such theory.

I do point out a error you are making, they are "many minds, one will" ... they are still each a individual and have limits, that is evident on Harbinger that despite being able to take control over any Collector never does it and only take control over one each time that reinforces the idea they can only focus on one thing at a time.

If you want to bring Soveriegn ... the time were he fires on the fleet is at the midway health bar, before that he did almost nothing but sit there and take hits, you can say all you want but the reason they put that scene was to remove the Saren/Soveriegn we were fighting, replace it with a new one with half health and re-start the battle.

Also even I do not think they can put their consiouness on a body they seem to avoid the situation were the body is destroyed, Harbinger always abandon the body just prior to destruction.

I have no clue what you are referring to in that last statement. Harbinger is always rattling on up until the very end. The sound files are still playing while he disintegrates. I have never seen any animation or dialog to indicate that he is exiting a collector body when it is destoyed or near death.

If you want to ignore the fact that Soveriegn was engaging the Alliance fleet while fighting Shepard in the council chambers that's your choice, delusional as it may be. But don't ****** in my ear and tell me it's raining. I hardly think Shepard and squad sat around twiddling their thumbs while Soveriegn called a 20 second time-out so he could go shred some Alliance warships.

Modifié par Your Synthetic Superior, 01 avril 2010 - 01:04 .

[sirandar]

Sorry ... I don't think the alliance even touched Soverign ..... did you see any damage?  I didn't.

Soverign was already inside the citadel and Joker even says "The Shields are down" right after Shep kills Saren-bot .

I disagree 

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

sirandar wrote...

ImperialOperative wrote...

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

I mean, c'mon folks... If you're an all powerful living warship, and one of your all powerful living warship buddies gets owned for the first time in history by the efforts of 1 mere organic, then wouldn't you want to know more about this organic, or possibly get him to join you rather than just killing him and never knowing how or why he was able to beat your buddy?

Face it, TIM = the new Saren.

Right, because Shepard single handedly took down Sovereign with his fists.

Wait what?  A good portion of the citadel and alliance fleets?

Actually that was one of the most foolish plot devices of ME1 ....... why would Sovereign transfer its total conciousness down to Saren when a copy or just part would do  .....   forgivable though

What makes you think the entire sum of Nazara's consciousness(s) transferred into Saren? Soveriegn is a nation. Only one individual "squid soul" would need to have ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL of Saren's body. Soveriegn was blowing up Alliance ship during the fight with Shepard inside the Citadel tower as shown in the cutscene half way through the gun fight in the coucil chambers.

It was the Alliance fleet's continous bombardment of Soveriegn that depleted its shields, not Shepard defeating Saren's posessed techno super geth hooper skeletor zombie body. The two fights were synchronized for dramatic effect.

[Canned Bullets]

He's evil. I hope we can defect to the Alliance in ME3.

[Fromyou]

i don't think so he just has tons of money (somehow) and could afford the technology for the project and got eyes implanted

[Your Synthetic Superior]

sirandar wrote...

Sorry ... I don't think the alliance even touched Soverign ..... did you see any damage?  I didn't.

Soverign was already inside the citadel and Joker even says "The Shields are down" right after Shep kills Saren-bot .

I disagree 

Why would Soveriegn have any prior hull damage if his kinetic barriers just fell?  Did you see any scratches on the Destiny Ascension either before she explodes or after she is saved?

[Your Synthetic Superior]

Canned Bullets wrote...

He's evil. I hope we can defect to the Alliance in ME3.

Depending on your choice on the Collector Base you either defect or stay with Cerberus.

[thegreateski]

TIM has cybernetic eyes.





whoopty friggin doo. So do you.

[DoomedMello]

I wouldn't be too surprised if he was, judging by the Paragon ending.



I think he definatly had some different plans than Shepard did.

[Izhalezan]

You gave him the finger and blew up what he though was humanity's best hope for survival after he dumped nearly unlimited resources etc to bring you back, why wouldn't he be pissed at you?

[Keltoris]

I however feel that he wouldn't have bothered freaking resurrecting you to fight the Reapers if he was taking orders from Harbinger.

[sirandar]

The Ascension was just a toy compared to Soverign  ......  Looked like the Geth were the ones that destroyed the Ascension as Sovering was already parked in the Citadel with nobody shooting at it.  Once Shep killed Soveriegn,  red electric bolts were emitted and it began to fall lifelessly off the dock.   Joker relays that the shields are now down and they should hit it with everything   ..........  watch the video at:


Imagine a ship that has been around for more than a few 50,000 year cycles acquiring the best tech each time plus lots of its own.

Again I disagree .... the shields only came down because of Shep

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

sirandar wrote...

Sorry ... I don't think the alliance even touched Soverign ..... did you see any damage?  I didn't.

Soverign was already inside the citadel and Joker even says "The Shields are down" right after Shep kills Saren-bot .

I disagree 

Why would Soveriegn have any prior hull damage if his kinetic barriers just fell?  Did you see any scratches on the Destiny Ascension either before she explodes or after she is saved?

Modifié par sirandar, 04 avril 2010 - 04:17 .

[Belgian Waffles]

Oh that would be such a god awful plot twist (not to mention predictable) I would lose a lot of respect for Bioware as storytellers if TIM ended up working for The Reapers.

[Your Synthetic Superior]

sirandar wrote...

The Ascension was just a toy compared to Soverign  ......  Looked like the Geth were the ones that destroyed the Ascension as Sovering was already parked in the Citadel with nobody shooting at it.  Once Shep killed Soveriegn,  red electric bolts were emitted and it began to fall lifelessly off the dock.   Joker relays that the shields are now down and they should hit it with everything   ..........  watch the video at:


Imagine a ship that has been around for more than a few 50,000 year cycles acquiring the best tech each time plus lots of its own.

Again I disagree .... the shields only came down because of Shep

Of course the geth destroyed the Destiny Ascension. My point was that it was getting hammered from the very start of the geth attack and if you save it it has no damage. When you gain control of the citadel the Ascension's shields are down 40%. Not until it's shields fail does it have visible signs of weapon impacts and that is shortly before it explodes. If you save it it doesn't have a scratch because the geth never get through its shields. Thus countering your claim that Soveriegn should have had visible hull damage despite it's shields being up if the Alliance fleet had anything to do with its shields collapsing. Soveriegn mostly ignored the Citadel and Alliance fleets, but when Saren failed and the conflict drew on for longer than it anticipated it had to acknowledge the threat and fight back because the Alliance was wearing its shields down. Reapers are NOT invincible.

Regardless of what you'd like to believe there is no proof that Shepard defeating "Sarveriegn" lead to Soveriegn's shields failing. You are making an assumption that the red lightning signified some kind of "soul shock" instead of simply signifying it's mass effect field had collapsed. The reaper is still moving after it detaches from the tower. For all you know it didn't go limp, but was simply detaching itself in preparation to leave.  

Don't get me wrong. I've argued from your point of view as well before and I completely understand why you think what you think. I just don't think it is spelled out clearly enough to say what really happened.

[Your Synthetic Superior]

Belgian Waffles wrote...

Oh that would be such a god awful plot twist (not to mention predictable) I would lose a lot of respect for Bioware as storytellers if TIM ended up working for The Reapers.

How can it be predictable? It makes no sense whatsoever.

[Mycrus Ironfist]

wouldn't be logical... it would be stupid if it did happen

[Canned Bullets]

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

He's evil. I hope we can defect to the Alliance in ME3.

Depending on your choice on the Collector Base you either defect or stay with Cerberus.

Good thing I nuked it.

[Collider]

This topic makes me sad...having Shepard defeat the Collectors whom the Reapers created to enslave the galaxy makes perfect sense amirite

[Pronema]

Ok, let me just point a few things out.

1) Who says all the Reapers agree with each other or even like each other? Maybe one Reaper uses TIM as a tool and another is using the Collectors. Maybe the Reapers compete with each other for the resources they gather when they destroy galactic civilization every 50k years. The most resources go to the Reapers with the most pawns in the galaxy when they arrive. Not that I believe this theory, I am simply putting it out there.
2) Cerberus was a black ops Alliance group, that is established in the first game when Admiral Khouku calls the Normandy and says that Cerberus has gone completely rouge.
3)  I would love to have spoiler tags here to hide my explaination of how Harbringer isn't even a Collector, and happens to be another Reaper.  Watch the ending cutscene again to see Harbringer "release control" of a certain something that starts freaking out after it realizes it is totally screwed.  At least I assume you can all watch it, unless it only plays after you beat the game on Insanity.

I'll post more points later, I simply forgot the other ones.

Modifié par Pronema, 04 avril 2010 - 07:01 .

[SphereofSilence]

I just find it really underwhelming if TIM turns out to be a Reaper peon - the story would be weaker for it if TIM turns out to be another Saren. I'm quite sure there's more to TIM, but having him to be under the Reaper's control would be a 'been-there done-that' plot device. So I don't believe TIM's a Reaper agent.

[ImperialOperative]

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

Belgian Waffles wrote...

Oh that would be such a god awful plot twist (not to mention predictable) I would lose a lot of respect for Bioware as storytellers if TIM ended up working for The Reapers.

How can it be predictable? It makes no sense whatsoever.

That's exactly why it's "god awful" and why he would lose respect for Bioware.

Because it's one of the stupidest thing he's heard on these boards.

[ImperialOperative]

Collider wrote...

This topic makes me sad...having Shepard defeat the Collectors whom the Reapers created to enslave the galaxy makes perfect sense amirite

Yes, in case you didn't pay attention when talking to Vigil on Ilos, he said that the Reapers didn't kill all Protheans.  During the extermination, they captured millions+ of them and indoctrinated them.

The Collectors are revealed to you in ME2 to be Protheans, who've gone under a bit of genetic change (seeing how the Reapers did the same with whatever race the Keepers were [or made out of scratch] they aren't the first to undergo such modifications by the reapers).

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 04 avril 2010 - 02:21 .