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[Dudeman315]

SphereofSilence wrote...

I just find it really underwhelming if TIM turns out to be a Reaper peon - the story would be weaker for it if TIM turns out to be another Saren. I'm quite sure there's more to TIM, but having him to be under the Reaper's control would be a 'been-there done-that' plot device. So I don't believe TIM's a Reaper agent.

Kinda like attacks on human colonies and finding a way through a relay in the terminis systems to stop the reapers.

Tim does send you on several suicide missions where the collecters would be able to steal your body. And then goes oh I knew it was a trap but I knew you could handle it.  Then there is the derelect reaper that can still indocternate.

[VampireCommando]

Ermmmm, well miranda quits cerberus at the end, pritty much giving TIM the big middle finger, explain that one

[Dudeman315]

It's not a fact---It's currently an opinion---until all ME material is made available there is not enough information to measure one way or the other.

[WAC WUMBO]

I actually think the Illusive man might be Armistan Banes. Cerberus went rouge when he was found dead and no one knows who killed him. And then they never talk about him again and the team that found his dead body was killed by Cerberus.

[sirandar]

Many things could have happened  ........  maybe Soveringn's  precious Norwegian Blue Parrot died (or was already dead) at that exact moment and Soveringn lost the will to live and offed himself.

But watching the end game on youtube shows pretty convincingly that the most probably cause of Soveringn's shield loss was Sheps actions. 

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

sirandar wrote...

The Ascension was just a toy compared to Soverign  ......  Looked like the Geth were the ones that destroyed the Ascension as Sovering was already parked in the Citadel with nobody shooting at it.  Once Shep killed Soveriegn,  red electric bolts were emitted and it began to fall lifelessly off the dock.   Joker relays that the shields are now down and they should hit it with everything   ..........  watch the video at:


Imagine a ship that has been around for more than a few 50,000 year cycles acquiring the best tech each time plus lots of its own.

Again I disagree .... the shields only came down because of Shep

Of course the geth destroyed the Destiny Ascension. My point was that it was getting hammered from the very start of the geth attack and if you save it it has no damage. When you gain control of the citadel the Ascension's shields are down 40%. Not until it's shields fail does it have visible signs of weapon impacts and that is shortly before it explodes. If you save it it doesn't have a scratch because the geth never get through its shields. Thus countering your claim that Soveriegn should have had visible hull damage despite it's shields being up if the Alliance fleet had anything to do with its shields collapsing. Soveriegn mostly ignored the Citadel and Alliance fleets, but when Saren failed and the conflict drew on for longer than it anticipated it had to acknowledge the threat and fight back because the Alliance was wearing its shields down. Reapers are NOT invincible.

Regardless of what you'd like to believe there is no proof that Shepard defeating "Sarveriegn" lead to Soveriegn's shields failing. You are making an assumption that the red lightning signified some kind of "soul shock" instead of simply signifying it's mass effect field had collapsed. The reaper is still moving after it detaches from the tower. For all you know it didn't go limp, but was simply detaching itself in preparation to leave.  

Don't get me wrong. I've argued from your point of view as well before and I completely understand why you think what you think. I just don't think it is spelled out clearly enough to say what really happened.

[Guy On The Moon]

Wait is Tim The Illusive Man???

[Pronema]

Yes Guy he is.

[Your Synthetic Superior]

sirandar wrote...

Many things could have happened  ........  maybe Soveringn's  precious Norwegian Blue Parrot died (or was already dead) at that exact moment and Soveringn lost the will to live and offed himself.

But watching the end game on youtube shows pretty convincingly that the most probably cause of Soveringn's shield loss was Sheps actions. 

Even Shepard doesn't believe that.
 
Why would he evn bother trying to gather allies?  What good is the Migrant Fleet, the geth fleets, etc. etc. and a united galaxy if the Reapers are as invincilble as you make them out to be. Is Shepard going to challenge each reaper to come down to a planet in a humanoid body and duel him?

You'd think there would be a longer interval between Harbinger's collector possessions if every time you kill his host he passes out. I would imagine it would be disasterous if the reapers are all traveling at FTL speeds toward the Milky way and Harbinger keeps popping out of FTL because Shepard knocked him out cold yet again and the others behind him are crashing into him. I'd like to see that pile up. 

[AsheraII]

TIM is definitely a reaper agen, but I'm pretty certain that there's a rogue reaper faction involved somewhere. The question is just whether TIM's side is the side gone rogue, or if it's the reapers that Shep has been fighting in the past that went rogue.

Something like what happened between the Quarians, the Geth and the other Geth, but on a much more dramatic scale.

[Guy On The Moon]

I believe he's working for the Reapers because of all the "coincidences" that happened to the whole crew involving the Reapers were a little "too accidental."



Also at the end...if you save the Reaper base, the guy was a smirk on his face and it kind of gives you that feeling like..."What have I just done..." Lol Illusive Man is very creepy to me

[SphereofSilence]

Dudeman315 wrote...

Kinda like attacks on human colonies and finding a way through a relay in the terminis systems to stop the reapers.

Tim does send you on several suicide missions where the collecters would be able to steal your body. And then goes oh I knew it was a trap but I knew you could handle it.  Then there is the derelect reaper that can still indocternate.

IMO TIM's a brilliant visionary who has the guts to take the aforementioned risks if he thought it's worth it, as in the case if Shep kept the Collector base. He has had plenty of opportunity to screw Shepard over if he wanted to, heck why not just send Shep's dead body to the Collectors at the beginning, or even revived Shep in the first place? We may not know for sure where TIM's true allegiances lie, but it's probably not with the Reapers.

[sirandar]

Try this out for size then

sirandar wrote...

Maybe the collectors were not really the bad guys .... TIM was. Sure they ground up many many humans to make their human reaper but maybe that was to be a weapon against the reapers when they eventually showed up. TIM wanted the collectors out of the way and he used Shep to do that. The minute the collector base was destroyed/captured we got the cut scene of the Reapers showing up ...... coincidence?

If you where the ex-protean collectors and you knew first hand what the reapers would surely do, would you consider the loss of life associated with building human reapers acceptable? 

Maybe the Collectors found a way to break free of the reapers and were trying in the best way they could to repel their old enemy.

Not very probable, but certainly possible

PS I hated serving TIM ......  which brings me to this 1/2 baked theory

[sirandar]

Watch the video and give your play by play then .....  see how much sense it makes

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

sirandar wrote...

Many things could have happened  ........  maybe Soveringn's  precious Norwegian Blue Parrot died (or was already dead) at that exact moment and Soveringn lost the will to live and offed himself.

But watching the end game on youtube shows pretty convincingly that the most probably cause of Soveringn's shield loss was Sheps actions. 

Even Shepard doesn't believe that.
 
Why would he evn bother trying to gather allies?  What good is the Migrant Fleet, the geth fleets, etc. etc. and a united galaxy if the Reapers are as invincilble as you make them out to be. Is Shepard going to challenge each reaper to come down to a planet in a humanoid body and duel him?

You'd think there would be a longer interval between Harbinger's collector possessions if every time you kill his host he passes out. I would imagine it would be disasterous if the reapers are all traveling at FTL speeds toward the Milky way and Harbinger keeps popping out of FTL because Shepard knocked him out cold yet again and the others behind him are crashing into him. I'd like to see that pile up. 

[Your Synthetic Superior]

sirandar wrote...

Watch the video and give your play by play then .....  see how much sense it makes

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

sirandar wrote...

Many things could have happened  ........  maybe Soveringn's  precious Norwegian Blue Parrot died (or was already dead) at that exact moment and Soveringn lost the will to live and offed himself.

But watching the end game on youtube shows pretty convincingly that the most probably cause of Soveringn's shield loss was Sheps actions. 

Even Shepard doesn't believe that.
 
Why would he evn bother trying to gather allies?  What good is the Migrant Fleet, the geth fleets, etc. etc. and a united galaxy if the Reapers are as invincilble as you make them out to be. Is Shepard going to challenge each reaper to come down to a planet in a humanoid body and duel him?

You'd think there would be a longer interval between Harbinger's collector possessions if every time you kill his host he passes out. I would imagine it would be disasterous if the reapers are all traveling at FTL speeds toward the Milky way and Harbinger keeps popping out of FTL because Shepard knocked him out cold yet again and the others behind him are crashing into him. I'd like to see that pile up. 

I've already stated what I think. The scenes are arranged for dramatic effect. What you propose makes absolutely no sense.
 
Why didn't Soveriegn just wipe out the entire Citadel/Alliance fleet and then take Saren's body? This thing has been around for millions of years and has to have a mental capacity beyond a mere human. He has patiently planned and schemed for thousands of years and then it idiotically goes and risks everything unnecessarily? If he was invincible he'd have all the time in the world to inhabit Saren's body after he secured the area. For that matter, why even bring a geth fleet if he could have taken all incoming fire singlehandedly?

Instead of actually explaining the validity of your conclusion you simply resort to, "Sarvereign died and the shields dropped and it's not a coincidence". What else you got?

[jkflipflopDAO]

TIM knows that humanity can't possibly defeat the coming invasion. Now that the collectors are gone, the Reapers need another surrogate race.



Further, I think that the Illusive man is just as his name implies, an illusion. He's a hologram. Cerberus is really ran by Jeff Moreau.