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[CaptainZaysh]

In Lothering, desperate for troops, but seriously: this guy murdered eight civilians.  Is there a rationale to freeing him beyond "we could use an extra sword"?

[RobUnreal]

Yes, he committed a horrible crime. But, it is something he even admits was regretable, and is seeking penance. In hindsight, after getting to know him, you realize it was an act of desperation and rage, rather than a calculated attempt. It was, basically, a result of his culture's belief.

[IanPolaris]

Indeed. Sten would agree with you. In Fereldan as in most places in Thedas, joining the Grey Wardens is an accepted alternative to execution *especially* in a time of blight (since it is well known to be a likely death sentence even if the details are secret). Even the Mother Superior of the Chantry recognizes that.....and can be convinced to accept your authority in that regard (takes coercion of three ranks or more).



-Polaris

[CaptainZaysh]

The trouble is, you can't actually conscript him, right? Can you kill him later in the game?

[Zeratul20]

IanPolaris wrote...

Indeed. Sten would agree with you. In Fereldan as in most places in Thedas, joining the Grey Wardens is an accepted alternative to execution *especially* in a time of blight (since it is well known to be a likely death sentence even if the details are secret). Even the Mother Superior of the Chantry recognizes that.....and can be convinced to accept your authority in that regard (takes coercion of three ranks or more).

-Polaris

I think it's easier if you have Leliana in your party, though... I have to admit, I'm not sure about this.

Modifié par Zeratul20, 31 mars 2010 - 09:15 .

[Efesell]

Need of an extra sword, and hell Sten is probably worth about five, is more than enough rationale for me. I've got a country to save I'll take who I can get.

[IanPolaris]

Zeratul20 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Indeed. Sten would agree with you. In Fereldan as in most places in Thedas, joining the Grey Wardens is an accepted alternative to execution *especially* in a time of blight (since it is well known to be a likely death sentence even if the details are secret). Even the Mother Superior of the Chantry recognizes that.....and can be convinced to accept your authority in that regard (takes coercion of three ranks or more).

-Polaris

I think it's easier if you have Leliana in your party, though... I have to admit, I'm not sure about this.

Indeed.  If you have Leliana in the party, the she makes this very point and the Mother Superior automatically agrees without any persuasion on your part.

You can also simply pick the lock on Sten's cage

-Polaris

[Tellervo]

Zeratul20 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Indeed. Sten would agree with you. In Fereldan as in most places in Thedas, joining the Grey Wardens is an accepted alternative to execution *especially* in a time of blight (since it is well known to be a likely death sentence even if the details are secret). Even the Mother Superior of the Chantry recognizes that.....and can be convinced to accept your authority in that regard (takes coercion of three ranks or more).

-Polaris

I think it's easier if you have Leliana in your party, though... I have to admit, I'm not sure about this.

Leliana will speak up on your behalf if you don't have the coercion.

[Phonantiphon]

I had no problem accepting Sten into the party; yeah we needed the extra swords and he accepted that what he did was wrong and as it turned out was not as black and white as it might at first have appeared - once you get to know and understand him you will see that.

Not everything is one thing or the other, in this case it's a more complex situation and quite frankly if you leave him you lose a good character but were to "off" him later you be doing the world no favours ultimately.

As for forgiveness? It's not my place to forgive him or otherwise, but having taken him on and given him a chance, I understood his position and what drove him and he came across as an honourable man who found himself in a position from which he could not see an alternate way out. He accepted it was wrong, but he is a product of his culture and upbringing not ours, but we come to understand him, and he us, by the end - and I think that's worth a lot.

(And yes I know it's only a game).

[Yendi]

Most of my characters have Leilanas attitude tovards criminals that everybody deserves a second chance and with that reasoning Morrigan would be far worse since she feels no regret and encourages new crimes. However I don't use Sten anyway since he comitted the unforgivable crime of not being able to get more than one specialization.

[Dansayshi]

I was hoping that you'd find out he and his breatheren were actually trying to save afew civvies and that they got overwhelmed. When sten wakes, hes surrounded by afew bodies which the city gaurds assume hes the killer.

Still, he makes up for it throughout the game, under all that "Sten armour" hes really seeking redemption for what hes done imo.

Hes a great character tho. I just think Bioware discourage him. I say that because ever since release they havnt given him that extra spec point or racial stats. Hes just a crap Oghren.

Modifié par Dansayshi, 31 mars 2010 - 09:57 .

[The Almighty Ali]

First time I played the game and heard he had killed eight people with his bare hands, I couldn't help but think " Imagine how many he could kill if I gave him a sword"

So naturally I brought him along and got to know him better.

[IanPolaris]

Of course if you hate the chantry (calling all future bloodmages in Lothering), have Lelianna pick the lock on Sten's cage (or do it yourself if you are a rogue with two or more ranks in lockpicking), and then walk into the Chantry and into the Reverand Mother's office. As they say in the Mastercard Commerical.....



.....Priceless.....



-Polaris

[Maria Caliban]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

In Lothering, desperate for troops, but seriously: this guy murdered eight civilians.  Is there a rationale to freeing him beyond "we could use an extra sword"?

There's 'everyone shoudl have a chance at redemption' and 'this is too cruel a way for him to die.'

[Stabbath123]

IanPolaris wrote...

Indeed. Sten would agree with you. In Fereldan as in most places in Thedas, joining the Grey Wardens is an accepted alternative to execution *especially* in a time of blight (since it is well known to be a likely death sentence even if the details are secret). Even the Mother Superior of the Chantry recognizes that.....and can be convinced to accept your authority in that regard (takes coercion of three ranks or more).

-Polaris

Or Leliana in the party.

[Stabbath123]

I let Sten rot first play through. He killed children out of panic/rage. What worse crime is there? Maybe throw in some Dahmer or Bundy scenarios.... but that's about all I can think of, and I'm pretty demeanted. Not sure what I'm going to do with him this time around.

[rak72]

I like to bring my girl Morrigan with me, and threaten the Rev Mother. I have never released him, THEN gone and talked to the RM - I need to try that.

[rak72]

If you're cool with loosing some approval, Lil & Als reaction are great when you threaten her , too

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

This isnt a templar tea party with knights that have no worrys you take what you can get im not fond of sten but i dont have enough hate to convict him to death for somthing you soon realize he regrets his crimes heavily and besides letting leliana, Zevran, Loghain, Even oghren killed a nobles son cause he looked at him wrong shale killed a innocent mage even though he deserved it but still and alot of birds everyones a killer the more the marrier i say!
The only good noble hero party members are Alistar and wynne rest are cold blooded killers. Oh by the way just get leliana and pick the cage lock simple saves me a walk every time.

Modifié par OrlesianWardenCommander, 31 mars 2010 - 01:14 .

[0mar]

Sten is a qunari and does not follow human laws.



Losing his sword is a bigger crime than murdering a family of farmers to him. It's as simple as that. We find it abhorrent because we believe people are more important than things, but to Sten, the sword is his soul.

[errant_knight]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

In Lothering, desperate for troops, but seriously: this guy murdered eight civilians.  Is there a rationale to freeing him beyond "we could use an extra sword"?

Do you also consider Zevran and Leiliana's crimes unforgivable? Their's were committed in cold blood and for profit rather than in a state of emotional unbalance, so it could be argued that they're worse. If Sten's crime is unforgivable, logic would indicate that their crimes are also unforgivable.

[Dansayshi]

IanPolaris wrote...

Of course if you hate the chantry (calling all future bloodmages in Lothering), have Lelianna pick the lock on Sten's cage (or do it yourself if you are a rogue with two or more ranks in lockpicking), and then walk into the Chantry and into the Reverand Mother's office. As they say in the Mastercard Commerical.....

.....Priceless.....

-Polaris

Ahhhh... the quenari is out of its cage.

Sten "So it would seem"

Sten was usually the last thing I picked up from Lothering, but on 1 I got him first and paraded him around lothering like a trophy lol. The reactions in the chantry are great :happy:

[carlosjuero]

RobUnreal wrote...

Yes, he committed a horrible crime. But, it is something he even admits was regretable, and is seeking penance. In hindsight, after getting to know him, you realize it was an act of desperation and rage, rather than a calculated attempt. It was, basically, a result of his culture's belief.

*sigh* if you want people to click your bloody referral link just ask or put it in your sig. Is this seriously what we are going to have to deal with during the Bazaar?!

Anyway - to the OP:

Others have answered your questions pretty clearly. I just want to say that Dragon Age is not a Black & White/Good & Bad delineated game - it is full of shades of grey. Do you let him rot, knowing of his crime or do you enlist him to 'work off'/repay his crime? There are much worse things going on in Ferelden, and some choices are pretty tough to make... as the main Grey Warden left alive your choices can cause thousands to lose their lives. Who are you to judge someone else? [not you as in a real life person, but you as in your character]. Look at the City Elf origin story - there was some outright murder during that particular section of the game, and by the Player Character - not an NPC.

(edited to actually remove the link I quoted)

Modifié par carlosjuero, 31 mars 2010 - 04:23 .

[7th_Phoenix]

A lot of your companions have a bad past or about to get one. Lelianna and Zevran killed some people. Oghren would hurt (maybe killed) anyone who gave him the dirty look. Shale killed her own master. Wynne was a complete b**ch to her first apprentice. Morrigan will want her mom dead after finding out her secret. Sten's no different except he's in a cage when you first meet him. :|

Modifié par 7th_Phoenix, 31 mars 2010 - 04:33 .

[Maria Caliban]

errant_knight wrote...

Do you also consider Zevran and Leiliana's crimes unforgivable? Their's were committed in cold blood and for profit rather than in a state of emotional unbalance, so it could be argued that they're worse. If Sten's crime is unforgivable, logic would indicate that their crimes are also unforgivable.

Logic would do no such thing.

For one thing, as far as we know, neither Leliana or Zevran have murdered children.