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[didymos1120]

ReconTeam wrote...
Space-elf nonsense is pure fanboy drivel. Quarians have three fingers and two toes for crying out loud! If you honestly think they look anything like humans your insane, and if Bioware does such a thing I for one will be dissapoint.

We know they do.  Ascension says as much, as does the fact that practically every other alien species looks something like humans (eyes, nose, ears, neck, mouth, teeth, etc all in the same general relation to one another, bipedal locomotion with a quadrapedal body plan, tapered digits at the ends of hands, including opposable thumbs, so on and so forth ad nauseum). Not to mention the facial structure you can see if you use camera tricks to peek beneath the mask.  Nothing to do with being a Tali fan.  I'm not at all interested in her whole LI sub-plot, but the fact is, quarians and humans simply have a lot in common anatomically, and the face is included in that.

Modifié par didymos1120, 01 septembre 2010 - 02:59 .

[EffectedByTheMasses]

trobbins777 wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

actually the facepaint isn't exactly
the same, Nihlus has some additional lines compared to the
councillor

Where are these famed extra lines?

Skalman91 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Yeah I hate that drawing. All of the fanboys use it for everything when it is clear as all hell that she doesn't look anything remotely like that.

Prove it.

I agree. Prove it. Any view of her face you get is distorted by the visor. Transparent convex surfaces are notorious for it. The nose for instance will appear larger than it actually is. With a camera lens you can experience it at the wide end particularly on a head shot - it's called barrel distortion.

Well, for one her eyes aren't glowing enough to show through a dark visor. Her skin tone is too dark for someone who's lived in a suit her whole life. Also If you remember one of the talks from grunt he says that quarians aren't soft like humans, salarians, or asari. So the skin features are out. Quarian feet suggests either amphibious or reptillian origin. The former is unlikely given that Rannoch is more arid than earth. The latter would make them more similar to turians,drell, and krogan, however I believe they lack dextro DNA. So at the very least they must have tougher skin/features, Stronger bones, and very pale skin.

and no......I'm not Mordin Solus. I'm just a high-school student with way to much time on his hands.

Good god... did you know all of that off the top of your head or did you have to do research? 

[DarkPaladinUSMC]

I have no idea how to quote or add an image tag, so bear with me.

The extra lines are visible on the sides of Nhilus's crest; the top half is painted, just like the bottom. The councilor has only the lower half painted. In addition, the councilor has the highest ridge, the one above his nose, painted whereas Nhilus does not. It is easy to overlook, but still there.

As to whether or not they are from the same area, I do not know enough about all the different forms of turian face painting to make a judgement.

[trobbins777]

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...

Well, for one her eyes aren't glowing enough to show through a dark visor. Her skin tone is too dark for someone who's lived in a suit her whole life. Also If you remember one of the talks from grunt he says that quarians aren't soft like humans, salarians, or asari. So the skin features are out. Quarian feet suggests either amphibious or reptillian origin. The former is unlikely given that Rannoch is more arid than earth. The latter would make them more similar to turians,drell, and krogan, however I believe they lack dextro DNA. So at the very least they must have tougher skin/features, Stronger bones, and very pale skin.

and no......I'm not Mordin Solus. I'm just a high-school student with way to much time on his hands.

Good god... did you know all of that off the top of your head or did you have to do research? 

I'm a very good information broker Shepard.

Modifié par trobbins777, 01 septembre 2010 - 04:14 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

didymos1120 wrote...
We know they do.  Ascension says as much, as does the fact that practically every other alien species looks something like humans (eyes, nose, ears, neck, mouth, teeth, etc all in the same general relation to one another, bipedal locomotion with a quadrapedal body plan, tapered digits at the ends of hands, including opposable thumbs, so on and so forth ad nauseum). Not to mention the facial structure you can see if you use camera tricks to peek beneath the mask.  Nothing to do with being a Tali fan.  I'm not at all interested in her whole LI sub-plot, but the fact is, quarians and humans simply have a lot in common anatomically, and the face is included in that.

Only basic similarities. Turians too look "something like" humans when you consider they have two arms, two legs, a head and neck, etc. To imply that quarians look like *that* is simply pure fanboy insanity.

[ilikepie59]

Knut0 wrote...

I've never realized that Nihlus and the Turian councilor had the same facial markings.

"You humans are all racist!"

[Arganaut]

Modifié par Arganaut, 01 septembre 2010 - 05:16 .

[krasnoarmeets]

trobbins777 wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

actually the facepaint isn't exactly
the same, Nihlus has some additional lines compared to the
councillor

Where are these famed extra lines?

Skalman91 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Yeah I hate that drawing. All of the fanboys use it for everything when it is clear as all hell that she doesn't look anything remotely like that.

Prove it.

I agree. Prove it. Any view of her face you get is distorted by the visor. Transparent convex surfaces are notorious for it. The nose for instance will appear larger than it actually is. With a camera lens you can experience it at the wide end particularly on a head shot - it's called barrel distortion.

Well, for one her eyes aren't glowing enough to show through a dark visor. Her skin tone is too dark for someone who's lived in a suit her whole life. Also If you remember one of the talks from grunt he says that quarians aren't soft like humans, salarians, or asari. So the skin features are out. Quarian feet suggests either amphibious or reptillian origin. The former is unlikely given that Rannoch is more arid than earth. The latter would make them more similar to turians,drell, and krogan, however I believe they lack dextro DNA. So at the very least they must have tougher skin/features, Stronger bones, and very pale skin.

and no......I'm not Mordin Solus. I'm just a high-school student with way to much time on his hands.

Quarians do, however, have human-like facial structure - same type of nose and bone structure is apparent even with the low poly modelling. There seems to be some kind of gas present in the suit environment in my opinion. Unclear as to its exact purpose (possibly anti-biotic in nature), however, it explains the obscuring of features, may even cause the eyes to appear to glow. Who knows with the glow thing? Light off reflective eyes + refraction through gas of suit environment. The view through the visor after it's been removed is not nearly so obscured during the love scene.
Not soft does not necessarily mean scales. Thicker skin is possible, which won't necessarily be that visually apparent. I disagree with the skin pigment thing. For instance, certain human races are born with more pigment in their skin. Even were you to keep them out of the sun all their lives, they would still remain darker than other races. Quarians may not have skin that reacts to UV radiation by augmenting pigmentation. Subterranean species that never see the sun can still have dark pigment.
I'm not a Tali fanboy, merely presenting a logical argument.
Just because the Quarians have reptilian type appendages does not necessarily mean they have reptilian type facial/skin characteristics. They are an invented race and do not necessarily have to follow a terran pattern in terms of the combination of physical characteristics.
Regardless, all arguments are moot until Bioware decides to reveal. If they decide to reveal. 

[BellatrixLugosi]

The face using the camera trick shows a different structure, just not textured. Talimancer's haven't bothered to check i guess

[Randy1012]

[krasnoarmeets]

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

The face using the camera trick shows a different structure, just not textured. Talimancer's haven't bothered to check i guess

I've already covered the theory of 'barrel distortion' if the size of the nose is what you're talking about... although it's really a rather ambiguous statement.

[PseudoEthnic]

So I heard that there were FUNNY MOTIVIONAL POSTERS in this thread, but I've seem to have walked into a Quarian thread. MY bad.

[didymos1120]

ReconTeam wrote...

Only basic similarities.

I think it's probably more than basic, but regardless, even basic is not the same as not looking anything like that, which is all I was taking issue with.

Turians too look "something like" humans when you consider they have two arms, two legs, a head and neck, etc.

Not nearly as much as quarians do in terms of facial physiognomy.

To imply that quarians look like *that* is simply pure fanboy insanity.

OK, what I'm saying is they do look like that simply because humans look like that, and quarians and humans are pretty similar face-wise (based on what we currently know, subject to change at the whim of the writers and artists).  What I'm not saying or even implying is that I think that picture is in fact accurate in its details (such as skin color, possibly texture, iris patterns, presence/absence of mammal-style hair, and the like).  We really know nothing that gives us any real clue about the details, so I don't actually have anything to say about those at all.

Modifié par didymos1120, 01 septembre 2010 - 07:29 .

[Katamariguy]

PseudoEthnic wrote...

So I heard that there were FUNNY MOTIVIONAL POSTERS in this thread, but I've seem to have walked into a Quarian thread. MY bad.

AgreedB)

[Criz]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

actually the facepaint isn't exactly
the same, Nihlus has some additional lines compared to the
councillor

Where are these famed extra lines?

had to do a bit of research and look at quite a few turians for the Mass Effect Chronicles fangame 
btw: the lines on the mandibles can be found in quite alot of the turian facepaint designs
here's a wee little comparison of the Councilor and Nihlus

Modifié par Criz-Zone, 01 septembre 2010 - 07:54 .

[Skalman91]

trobbins777 wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

actually the facepaint isn't exactly
the same, Nihlus has some additional lines compared to the
councillor

Where are these famed extra lines?

Skalman91 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Yeah I hate that drawing. All of the fanboys use it for everything when it is clear as all hell that she doesn't look anything remotely like that.

Prove it.

I agree. Prove it. Any view of her face you get is distorted by the visor. Transparent convex surfaces are notorious for it. The nose for instance will appear larger than it actually is. With a camera lens you can experience it at the wide end particularly on a head shot - it's called barrel distortion.

Well, for one her eyes aren't glowing enough to show through a dark visor. Her skin tone is too dark for someone who's lived in a suit her whole life. Also If you remember one of the talks from grunt he says that quarians aren't soft like humans, salarians, or asari. So the skin features are out. Quarian feet suggests either amphibious or reptillian origin. The former is unlikely given that Rannoch is more arid than earth. The latter would make them more similar to turians,drell, and krogan, however I believe they lack dextro DNA. So at the very least they must have tougher skin/features, Stronger bones, and very pale skin.

and no......I'm not Mordin Solus. I'm just a high-school student with way to much time on his hands.

First off:

An alternate version i've seen of the same picture.

Her skin isn't too dark for someone who's live in a suit her entire life, it would be if she was human, but since we already know she isn't, her skin pigment is totally unrelated to our knowlege of how the exposure to ultraviolet radiation affects human skin color.

Yes I do remember grunt mentioning Quarians not being soft as Salarians, Humans or Asari, however i recognized that as being a hint to the Quarians strength of spirit and will - They're a race on the verge of extinction, a race that's lost everything but they're still fighting and still willing to go to war with the geth even though Quarians, aren't fit to be frontline warriors, due to their weakened immune system, as Kal'Reegar stated. He didn't mention Turians or Krogan cause those are both warrior races. He could've taken other races as an example but what would be the point in listing all the intelligent races in the galaxy just to make a point?

In fact, most races in Mass Effect only have three digits on hands and feet, the exception being Humans, Asari and Batarians. (I'm unsure about Drell, Thane looks like he has 5 digits on his hands but at the same time, 2 fingers appears to be grown together) So that really doesn't prove anything.

And the whole thing with their dextro amino acid thing is a bit silly if you look at it from a scientific perspective, now I'm no scientist but the way I've understood it is if we were to eat their food or vice versa there would be no ill effects for either party, the body would just "re-arrange" the amino acids as a part of the natural digestive process. Also, something composed of dextro-amino acids and proteins would have a sweet sugary taste, it definately wouldn't kill you.

So really, they could very well look like that picture. Also, when that picture first surfaced, a dev (can't rememver who) said it very closely resembles their vision of how tali looks like beneath her mask.

[Lee-gion]

[CroGamer002]

Randy1083 wrote...

[thepaladin1]

That picture of tali makes me think she is bald

[FuturePasTimeCE]

[Lee-gion]

Looks similar to a salarian.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Lee-gion wrote...

Looks similar to a salarian.

i think the protheans are the elder race of origins... having the features of all of the other races or something... that all of the other races genetically inherited from the protheans.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 01 septembre 2010 - 10:37 .

[Lee-gion]

I thought those statues on Ilos were supposed to be of protheans (with the tentacles coming out of their eyes and whatnot).

[FuturePasTimeCE]

kamen rider spectre wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...

I think we just found out why Shepard has so much trouble with that particular turian.

ooooohhh, i totally get it.... man nehilus was cool though dude... it's not shephard's fault he didn't want to stick with the squad and ventured off alone to get attacked by saren... his brother should have sided against saren since it was saren who killed nehilus...