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[addiction21]

Be carefull wicked I caught a banhammer to the junk for worthless waffle spam... I stand by my words Waffles > Windows.



And to throw out a apology I just kinda have a pet peeve of the whole "X is like Y so X is bad"



I try to judge things on what they attempt to be not that there are things that are like them, or that something simliar came before.

[Wicked 702]

I not terribly worried. The discussion I've been involved with in another thread about evolution, God, and Intelligent Design is probably what will be my undoing....

I think I spam relatively little. Meh.

[Masticetobbacco]

addiction21 wrote...

Masticetobbacco wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

I have bought RTS games for the story.

Proof and point Warcraft 2 and 3. I like the previous installments, the gameplay, and wanted to know where the story would take me. Try not to make total generalzations of EVERYBODY EVERYWHERE.

Also saying WarCraft 3 was a rip from StarCraft is like saying DAO is a rip from LOTR. On the surfaces and some of the cliches are the same but when you get down to the meat of it... theres plenty of differences.

Kerrigan from SC was not twisted and deformed to willingly choose to become a Zerg like Arthas was. I could go on but it will just fall on deaf ears.

kerrigan was pratically sylvannas

please tell me you got that similarity, many MANY people did.

and it's true while there are many differences. Difference setting from sci fi to fantasy, new or ommited characters. But the main storyline is basically the same, blizzard writers simply had more time to work on this than starcraft 2

anyway, blizzard writers then started to retcon the story, but the point is that both stories are pratically the same.

Odd because the more common one in my experiance is the Arthas/Kerrigan comparison. Ya know since both are taken in by the "bad guys" and becomes a major antagonist. Where as Sylvannas actually works to bring down the big bad in whatever way possible. Kerrigan was a B list character turned A list antagonist. Where as Sylvannas was a B list charater who stayed a B lister.

"pratically the same" is a worthless arguement. Many things are "pratically the same" but still do it in their own way to be enjoyable. Chocolate Icecream is pratically the same as vanille icecream but they are both good. Oranges are pratically the same as tangerines but offer different flavors. Countless books, movies, games, tv shows, music, etc etc etc... are pratically the but it is the execution that matters.

If all you want to do is focus on the most basic and superfical  off things then you might as well start saying all new books, movies, games, videos, music, candbars, gum, cars, etc etc etc... are bad because there were books, movies, games, videos, music, candbars, gum, cars, etc etc etc... that came before them.

Masticetobbacco wrote...


well mcdonalds is pretty good man

I love the hashbrowns. They are travel friendly not like what I can make at home.

what I meant was the main ideas of the SC story were modified to create the WC3 story

the tangerine- orange comparison is EXACTLY what SC and WC3 are like, thanks for giving me a good example

and big mac > all

[addiction21]

Masticetobbacco wrote...


the tangerine- orange comparison is EXACTLY what SC and WC3 are like, thanks for giving me a good example

With great powers comes great responsibility.

[Masticetobbacco]

yes uncle ben

[Wicked 702]

No but seriously I'm thinking about stopping at Church's Chicken on the way home. Getting hungry.

Waffles!!!1!!

I'm trying to be back on topic now. What's everybody's current impression of TOR. Optimistic? Pessimistic? Apathetic? .......just pathetic?

I personally just don't think they're going to deliver what I want in an MMO. That obviously doesn't mean it'll be bad, just that I won't like it.

[L3m0nTwist]

Wow... whats with all the WoW talk on here? Since this is BioWare shouldn't it be more about SW:TOR? Anyways it does slightly seem odd in a sense that BioWare and Blizzard almost mirror each other. BioWare's AAA titles are two RPGs Mass Effect and Dragon Age. Blizzard's AAA titles are two RTSs StarCraft and WarCraft... Mass Effect vs StarCraft *both space based* Dragon Age vs WarCraft *both Tolkien like story based*. Blizzard has WoW for an MMO and BioWare is going for SW:TOR... All BioWare needs to de-throne Blizzard is a Diablo game and how hard can that be everone else makes them: Sacred, Sacred 2, Torchlight, Titan's Quest, Dungeon Siege, Dungeon Siege 2 and the list goes on lol

Modifié par L3m0nTwist, 03 avril 2010 - 03:02 .

[addiction21]

I make my best attempt to be optimistic about everything but never getting my expectations up. Something like "I hope for the best but do not think it will be SUPERAWESOMEGREATSTUFF" before seeing it.



FYI if you going to get it treat it like EVERY OTHER MMO (and generally video game) new release. Give it a week and try to read up on it.



No MMO startup goes well.

[Sherana]

Bleh.  BW doesn't deserve the vote.

Modifié par Sherana, 03 avril 2010 - 03:06 .

[Masticetobbacco]

warcraft is an RTS, dragon age is an RPG



if anything dragon age is bioware's answer to diablo.

and yes there are many diablo clones, but of all of them the only good ones are titan quest and dungeon siege.



WoW set the MMO standards for the entire world. SWTOR would have to have amazing gameplay, top notch graphics (for an MMO), and the financial resources of an international company (probably why they chose to suck EA's coc.k).

[Sherana]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

and yes there are many diablo clones, but of all of them the only good ones are titan quest and dungeon siege.

Torchlight, fool.  Clone that's BETTER than the original.  (Which makes sense... it's from the people that made Diablo.)

[Masticetobbacco]

meh, torchlight had fail story, but I loved the alchemist

[L3m0nTwist]

I'd have to say out of all the D2 clones Torchlight and Dungeon Siege 2 were the best... but I digress oh speaking of "clones" SW:TOR is going to be amazing, full voice overs *something I wish for Dragon Age 2* will be sick.

[Masticetobbacco]

I dunno really...



people don't really play MMOs for a storyline, more for the gameplay, pvp, and social interaction.



many MMO claim that "lolololoololololol players get to shape their world through their actions" but that is really epic bullshi.t. In WoW, some random players killed a boss, WoW writers write" lolz boss is dead, but A CHALLENGER APPEARS"

[Jax Sparrow]

maybe it is epic bull$*τ╫ for you, the reality is much different and that is why there is PvE content in Warcraft. Over half the game is PvE, and a much smaller part is raiding and PvP. I like how Warhammer is integrating PvP into PvE but even they overestimated the draw of PvP and underestimated the demand for PvE content.

Even Warcraft started introducing dynamic interactive role-playing with their last Expansion Northrend.

And you can compare any story and find many similarities.  Try comparing the Book of Genesis with anything and you might be surprised.  Saying SC is a futuristic Warcraft is like saying Dragon Age is a Fantasy version of KOTOR.  I believe what matters is if it is fun and enjoyable.  I hope to find Diablo 3 and StarCraft II to be fun, and I expect Cataclysm to be fun too... for a couple more months until SW:TOR is released.

Modifié par Jax Sparrow, 03 avril 2010 - 04:16 .

[Captain Crash]

500 votes in it still, looks like we made it though!

[Wardog15]

You guys make sure you vote next round too, we are either going against Valve or Zynga(makers of such classics like Farmville), and it is looking like Zynga is going to win that one since they are getting their drones from Facebook to vote. While I would be fine with Bioware losing to Valve since they are a great developer as well, but to Zynga!??! Hell No!

[cynicalsaint1]

Wardog15 wrote...

You guys make sure you vote next round too, we are either going against Valve or Zynga(makers of such classics like Farmville), and it is looking like Zynga is going to win that one since they are getting their drones from Facebook to vote. While I would be fine with Bioware losing to Valve since they are a great developer as well, but to Zynga!??! Hell No!

We're going to have to seriously rally the internets if we want a shot at taking down Zynga. Who would have thought a bunch of facebookers would even be hanging out at the Escapist, as I can't imagine any real gamer voting for them.

The fact that they're taking down Valve pretty handily is !@#$ing depressing.

[Sad Dragon]

I think you give the facebookers too much credit. Sure they voted but just something to think about. What would happen if i say posted "Zynga in the finals of The Escapist's 2010 March Mayhem! And they are up against X" on say 4chan or somewhere simmilar?



/TSD

[Captain Crash]

Wardog15 wrote...

You guys make sure you vote next round too, we are either going against Valve or Zynga(makers of such classics like Farmville), and it is looking like Zynga is going to win that one since they are getting their drones from Facebook to vote. While I would be fine with Bioware losing to Valve since they are a great developer as well, but to Zynga!??! Hell No!

Well if a facebook group can get Rage Against the Machine to a UK christmas No.1 what hope does Bioware have?!

Damn facebook!   

[RigAudio]

I made a song for the Valve vs. Zynga matchup - http://soundcloud.co.../vote-for-valve
Hope you guys like it.

Edit: Some people made vids for it!

Modifié par RigAudio, 03 avril 2010 - 05:41 .

[Wrexdot]

Nice job Rig



BTW the music is from Portal credits?

[Skilled Seeker]

Dammit I registered and I still can't vote! I'm logged in but I dont see a vote button

[Cascadus]

Honestly, I'm stunned by that song. It's incredibly well done, considering all things.
Too bad Valve is appearing to lose to those spamming Facebook to make twelve-year olds vote. Goddammit.

Modifié par Cascadus, 03 avril 2010 - 06:13 .

[L3m0nTwist]

Seriously Half-Life 2, Left 4 Dead 2, Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Soure are losing to Farmville?!?!? I guess the world is going to end in 2012... *sigh*