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[Vormalon]

TrueWindoze wrote...

Let me make something clear: I did not vote for blizzard because of their p.o.s mmo WoW.

I voted for them because of their absolutely brilliant games, which have such world renown such a the Diablo series, and of Starcraft, which still fills STADIUMS in Korea where people watch competitions for the game. It is a true masterpiece, and killer fun.

they take their time perfecting their games before they release them.

I respect that. And those are awesome games. But I still prefer Biowares games.

Its looking really close now, if you havent voted go do it!

[TrueWindoze]

Abriael_CG wrote...

TrueWindoze wrote...
Let me make something clear: I did not vote for blizzard because of their p.o.s mmo WoW.
I voted for them because of their absolutely brilliant games, which have such world renown such a the Diablo series, and of Starcraft, which still fills STADIUMS in Korea where people watch competitions for the game. It is a true masterpiece, and killer fun.
they take their time perfecting their games before they release them.

Clearly you should vote for a company for games they made several years ago, despite them not making a decent game since.
Let's not forget for making their newest game (not yet released) a direct clone of it's predecessor with updated graphics. And taking ten years to do so.

Let's not mention trying to bring back to the RTS market antiquated and tedious concepts like base building and mindless troop massing :innocent:


Let's not forget having their two major IPs (Warcraft and Starcraft) directly ripped off from two other IPs they don't have a license to (Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000).
Yeah, I definitely see why Blizzard should be voted for. Not.

Did i mention working for the one company (activision) that's actively working to demolish the gaming market?

Yes lets vote for them because they made a game in 1995 that has managed
to still be vastly popular and played religously by many. No other
company can claim this feat. And for your comments about Starcraft II,
you are ignorant. Starcraft II is not even close to a direct clone with
updated graphics, maybe you should read about it. And you personal
opinion about the classic RTS style games is irrelavent. The fact that
it's taking them so long, is due to the fact that they care about the
quality of the products they release.

Modifié par TrueWindoze, 02 avril 2010 - 05:07 .

[Symbolz]

We found a witch! May be burn her?



Both Bioware and Blizzard are my favourite developers. I picked Bioware because they have more of games that I like.

[Sad Dragon]

Abriael_CG wrote...

Let's not mention trying to bring back to the RTS market antiquated and tedious concepts like base building and mindless troop massing :innocent:

Yes cause you havent seen real starcraft games i can hear that. You comment makes as much sence as saying that a buttonmasher is better then a skilled gamer in fighting games. Not only that but antiquated... you do know SC is still selling good right? /facepalm.

Abriael_CG wrote...
Let's not forget having their two major IPs (Warcraft and Starcraft) directly ripped off from two other IPs they don't have a license to (Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000).

I have seen this argument made before but honestly i fail to see it. Can you please point out the ripped off areas?

/TSD

[TrueWindoze]

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Modifié par TrueWindoze, 02 avril 2010 - 05:11 .

[TrueWindoze]

TrueWindoze wrote...

Sad Dragon wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

Let's not mention trying to bring back to the RTS market antiquated and tedious concepts like base building and mindless troop massing :innocent:

Yes cause you havent seen real starcraft games i can hear that. You comment makes as much sence as saying that a buttonmasher is better then a skilled gamer in fighting games. Not only that but antiquated... you do know SC is still selling good right? /facepalm.

Abriael_CG wrote...
Let's not forget having their two major IPs (Warcraft and Starcraft) directly ripped off from two other IPs they don't have a license to (Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000).

I have seen this argument made before but honestly i fail to see it. Can you please point out the ripped off areas?

/TSD

Yes, that claim is absolutely rediculous. You can claim that about any
game or mmo "this is a rip off of so and so"

actually it's not.

[Abriael_CG]

Sad Dragon wrote...

Yes cause you havent seen real starcraft games i can hear that. You comment makes as much sence as saying that a buttonmasher is better then a skilled gamer in fighting games. Not only that but antiquated... you do know SC is still selling good right? /facepalm.

I've actually seen too many, and they've gotten very, very tedious.
Starcraft is still selling good due to mindless word of mouth by the fanboys, but seriously, the RTS market has so much better to offer now that it's not even funny.
But we already know that blizzard has a big problem with innovation, that's why starcraft 2 is a total clone of starcraft, it seriously has nothing new.
Waiting 10 years for that? mmmh...

Abriael_CG wrote...
I have seen this argument made before but honestly i fail to see it. Can you please point out the ripped off areas?

Just to make an example (there'd be too many to list without taking the whole day), the zerg are a direct "port" of the warhammer 40000 tyranids. It's not just the generic concept of an insectoid race. They're identical unit by unit. Each zerg unit is a direct copy of a tyranid unit (that of course was created lots of time before).
Their social structure, behavioir, background... everything is pretty much the same.

Moving on to the protoss? They're basically eldar less the elven features, plus the inquisition and the exterminatus.

And I could go on for hours. Mind you, having played on warhammer games for almost 23 years, when Warcraft and expecially Warcraft 2 came out i was already scratching my chin. When starcraft was released i was like "WTF? Do those guys have a license or what?"
If the similarities were only in one game, i'd give them the benefit of the doubt, but two is a tad excessive.

There's a very valid reason why you hear it a lot, and that's because, expecially to the ones knowing how those IPs were at the time of the release of the first warcraft games (admittedly the warcraft universe evolved quite a lot since then, and so did the warhammer one), and of stacraft, it's really evident.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 02 avril 2010 - 05:31 .

[Sad Dragon]

Abriael_CG wrote...

I've actually seen too many, and they've gotten very, very tedious.
Starcraft is still selling good due to mindless word of mouth by the fanboys, but seriously, the RTS market has so much better to offer now that it's not even funny.
But we already know that blizzard has a big problem with innovation, that's why starcraft 2 is a total clone of starcraft, it seriously has nothing new.
Waiting 10 years for that? mmmh...

One example then. This is to the mass massive armies. Enjoy

Abriael_CG wrote...
Just to make an example (there'd be too many to list without taking the whole day), the zerg are a direct "port" of the warhammer 40000 tyranids. It's not just the generic concept of an insectoid race. They're identical unit by unit. Each zerg unit is a direct copy of a tyranid unit (that of course was created lots of time before).
Their social structure, behavioir, background... everything is pretty much the same.

Moving on to the protoss? They're basically eldar less the elven features, plus the inquisition and the exterminatus.

Having a small army of Tyranids myself i dont see the unit to unit correlation. Infact for zerg i would think more of Xenomorphs or various other scifi critters in older litterature. Hell even the arachnids from Starship Trooper comes to mind. Same can be said for the Protoss - well not the Xenomorph and arachnid part but you get my point.

Are the races original? - no
Are the races influenced by a variety of sources? - yes
Are the races ripp-offs? - no

Edit: fixed some spelling errors.

/TSD

Modifié par Sad Dragon, 02 avril 2010 - 05:37 .

[ScorpSt]

scyphozoa wrote...

voted for bioware and for valve. bioware vs valve is how the final round should be

You know what's really funny about that? I voted for Valve mainly because of Steam, and I downloaded Steam mainly to play Mass Effect.

[TrueWindoze]

Abriel is clearly not an experienced starcraft player and has no clue what he is talking about in regards to starcraft or starcraft 2. Obviously must of been one of the FMP nubs on b.net lmao.

[Sad Dragon]

Must have missed that acronym in my gamer-course, but... FMP?

[TrueWindoze]

the idiots who think SC is map massing because they play Fastest Possible Map. which requires no micro.

[Abriael_CG]

Sad Dragon wrote...
One example then. This is to the mass massive armies. Enjoy

You know that an exception doesn't make the rule, right? One can finish DA:O in 20 hours, that doesn't mean that DA:O is worth only 20 hours of gameplay.

Abriael_CG wrote...
Having a small army of Tyranids myself i dont see the unit to unit correlation. Infact for zerg i would think more of Xenomorphs or various other scifi critters in older litterature. Hell even the arachnids from Starship Trooper comes to mind. Same can be said for the Protoss - well not the Xenomorph and arachnid part but you get my point.

Are the races original? - no
Are the races influenced by a veriety of sources? - yes
Are the races ripp-offs? - no

/TSD

The arachnids from the original starship troopers book were nothing like the zerg (or the tyranids), and the starship troopers movie (that has them a lil bit more comparable, but still very different) only came out 6 months before the release of stacraft. That's a bit little to count them as a source of inspiration, don't you think?

If you can't see the unit to unit correlation, lemme help.
starting from the zergling - hormagaunts, moving up the food chain to the hydralisk - ravener, the mutalisk - gargoyle, the scourge - sky-slash ripper, ultralisk -carnifex, devourer -zoanthrope and so forth...

@TrueWindoze: And obviously someone that thinks less of Starcraft MUST be an "idiot". Ah, lord, how I missed the rabid starcraft fanboys that made a religion of a game... not.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 02 avril 2010 - 05:50 .

[TrueWindoze]

@Abriael_CG No, obviously you are making false statements about starcraft. and that video posted is not an "exception" it is what actualy competitive SC is like. not your false idea of sc concieved by your noobness.

[Abriael_CG]

TrueWindoze wrote...

@Abriael_CG No, obviously you are making false statements about starcraft. and that video posted is not an "exception" it is what actualy competitive SC is like. not your false idea of sc concieved by your noobness.

Lol, yeah of course, and "competitive" starcraft players are the majority, right? 

Lemme enlighten you, compared to the bulk of the people that play and played starcraft, that's what you call "the exception".

The cluelessness of the average rabid starcraft fanboy is always amusing. But after all, someone that treats a game released 10 years ago as a matter of religion can be nothing else than clueless.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 02 avril 2010 - 06:04 .

[xHI VOLTAGEx]

@TrueWindoze Why are you arguing about Blizzard games and how good they are in a BIOWARE forum? Go back to your Blizzard (WoW) forum and love yourself for having so many AWESOME games. We don't care how Blizzard has so many good games, this is a BIOWARE forum, so about 99.999999% of the people here are going to vote for Bioware.

Btw, vote/tweeted for Bioware and Valve. Half-Life ftw!

Modifié par xHI VOLTAGEx, 02 avril 2010 - 06:05 .

[Abriael_CG]

xHI VOLTAGEx wrote...

@TrueWindoze Why are you arguing about Blizzard games and how good they are in a BIOWARE forum?

That's what you call "trolling"

[Sad Dragon]

Abriael_CG wrote...

You know that an exception doesn't make the rule, right? One can finish DA:O in 20 hours, that doesn't mean that DA:O is worth only 20 hours of gameplay.

While that is an excaption it isnt a rare one. Thankfully skilled SC players tend to do that stuff - on a slightly bigger scale then 1 unit - in most games. Said skilled players also have an AMP of 250+

Abriael_CG wrote...

The arachnids from the original starship troopers book were nothing like the zerg (or the tyranids), and the starship troopers movie (that has them a lil bit more comparable) only came out 6 months before the release of stacraft. That's a bit little to count them as a source of inspiration, don't you think?

This i conseed to.

Abriael_CG wrote...
If you can't see the unit to unit correlation, lemme help.
starting from the zergling - hormagaunts, moving up the food chain to the hjydralisk - ravener, the mutalisk - gargoyle, the scourge - sky-slash ripper, ultralisk -carnifex, devourer -zoanthrope and so forth...

And obviously someone that thinks less of Starcraft MUST be an "idiot". Ah, lord, how I missed the rabid starcraft fanboys... not.

Personaly i would have picked Scythed Hierodule for the Zergling - more interms of SC2 appearance though. Of the ones you listed im still very puzzled about:
the mutalisk - gargoyle :: the scourge - sky-slash ripper :: devourer -zoanthrope.
Might be that i have forgotten stuff -shrugs-

Also. I have never called you an idiot nor do i see any reason to. My opinion however is that you come across with a narrow scope of references. I do not - nor will i ever - contest that bilzzard takes references from anything that isnt nailed down. Weyland-Yutani would probably sue for some infringement or another. But ripping of isnt the word i would use.

/TSD

[xHI VOLTAGEx]

Abriael_CG wrote...

xHI VOLTAGEx wrote...

@TrueWindoze Why are you arguing about Blizzard games and how good they are in a BIOWARE forum?

That's what you call "trolling"

I tend to see a lot of that nowadays...

[Sad Dragon]

Abriael_CG wrote...

xHI VOLTAGEx wrote...

@TrueWindoze Why are you arguing about Blizzard games and how good they are in a BIOWARE forum?

That's what you call "trolling"

Bad pun. Not sure if you get the pun, it is a play on languages after all. All the same, that made me smile.

[TrueWindoze]

xHI VOLTAGEx wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

xHI VOLTAGEx wrote...

@TrueWindoze Why are you arguing about Blizzard games and how good they are in a BIOWARE forum?

That's what you call "trolling"

I tend to see a lot of that nowadays...

Maybe you should read the convo before getting involved, we weren't talking about (WoW) at all, and no one has said anything about that game.


and i'm not trolling, I didn't start the arguement, all i did was vote for blizzard. Because they deserve it.

and to talk about "fanboys"

only you bioware fanboys would think otherwise.


Yes this is a bioware forum, but good thing this is the off topic section ******.

Modifié par TrueWindoze, 02 avril 2010 - 06:14 .

[SonicGD]

Vote more actively and tell all your friends about it! At our Russian community we are struggling as hard as we can for this victory.

[Abriael_CG]

@Sad Dragon: you didn't, TrueWindoze did because of course, one must be an idiot if he thinks less of Starcraft lol.

@TrueWindoze: going to the official forums of a software house and posting your support to a rival software house in a competition is a by-the-book act of trolling. Sorry to have to point that out.

Bioware is holding up very well (and will very possibly win against Blizzard) for the simple fact that Blizzard didn't release anything remotely decent in several years, while Bioware continued to pull out AAA masterpices at a costant pace.
Luckily not everyone is hung on the past.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 02 avril 2010 - 06:32 .

[Sad Dragon]

Abriael_CG wrote...

@Sad Dragon: you didn't, TrueWindoze did because of course, one must be an idiot if he thinks less of Starcraft lol.

Quoted you before that edit heh, my bad. ^^;;

Edit: I would also like to - once more - clerify that while i do love the games blizzard has put out i am in no way arguing that anyone should vote for them. In fact i like the companies equaly so i would have to settle it by flipping a coin or something of the like. But for the community i hope that BioWare wins. There is a reason i am active on these boards and not the blizzard ones - and it has nothing to do with the companies. Sadly that reason might go away with SW:TOR T-T

/TSD

Modifié par Sad Dragon, 02 avril 2010 - 06:33 .