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[Ea James Madden]

Discussing this with people only looking from the Geth's pov is a waste of my time. I am going to  leave you with my opinion.
The Geth ran the Quarians not only from their homeworld, but the entire system, For the Quarians the choice was leave or die.The Geth didn't offer any other choice. But they walk away as inocent victors? ...
Just in case you don't understand what I'm saying to you and all others.  THE GETH TRIED TO WIPE OUT AN ENITRE SENTIENT RACE,but could not follow the Quarians beyond the veil.Due to not being able to function properly. Two wrongs don't make a right correct?
End Case based on only facts. (Concerning the Morning war.) The Geth are the Victors and the Quarians are the Victims...
Not the other way around.You can tell me the Quarians were the Aggresors and the Geth were the Defenders. True but the Geth won making them the Victors and the Quarians the Victims. They won big deal,doesn't make them right. How are they a peaceful race when they have never pursued any peaceful solutions ever? And if you think synthetic Ai life turned sentient is not a threat to organic life,you are just mistaken. Why well because it is what ME is about. The Reapers killing organic life... Wow Based on 90% of in game info/events etc. prove synthetic life is a threat to organic life.What 2 lines compared to 50,000+ years of proof make the Geth a peaceful non threat race in your eyes?
Could the Geth turn out to be a peaceful race? Yes. Is there any documented proof (in ME galaxy)that the Geth are a peaceful race? No.
If you say this is bs your wrong.The Quarians populated an entire system,now there are only 17 millon left. Yea that suggests the Geth are a peaceful race.(Sarcasm) Ps:This isn't the Quarians take on matters it is mine.Mine alone not based on some love for one of the two groups.
 
Edit: I can understand how this could be misperceived but Here - The Geth can not venture beyond the veil due to not fuctioning properly.Quit assuming it was their choice.

Ps:Best estimates is the Geth have 5,000 to 10,000 ships.  +  According to Legion,  they are unable to operate correctly outside the Veil, with Legion itself being the sole exception.

Both proved here http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Geth

Modifié par Ea James Madden, 01 avril 2010 - 06:07 .

[SimonTheFrog]

So, uh... what do you suggest?

Eradicating or negotiating?

[PARAGON87]

Don't forget, the Geth, although they chose to isolate themselves, act as caretakers for the Quarian homeworld and systems. They still view them as the Creators, and have named an offshoot branch of their race "heretics" because they favored all-out war with organics. It seems like, deep-down, the Geth want to be at peace with the Quarians.

[Marstead]

The quarians initiated a pre-emptive strike on the geth. The geth defended themselves--well.

[2342]

The reason we assume the geth are peaceful is because they've lived in isolation for 300 years.

[Xaijin]

Peaceful to a point. As Legion point it out, start shooting and you can expect to get shot back without any asking of por que you are doing this.

[smudboy]

Because Legion is Geth.

As in, all of them.

And he didn't try to kill you.

[rumination888]

The choice for Quarians wasn't to leave or die. Their choice was either continue fighting or leave.
The choice for the true Geth was continue fighting or die.

[thegreateski]

Because they've largely ignored the rest of the galaxy for the past 300 years?

[Nightwriter]

"THE GETH TRIED TO WIPE OUT AN ENTIRE SENTIENT RACE"?



THE QUARIANS TRIED TO WIPE OUT AN ENTIRE SENTIENT RACE.

[GreenDragon37]

Uh... no. The Quarians launched a preemptive strike against the Geth. The Geth ran them off of their homeworld becuase they tried to shut them down. They defended themselves. The only reason why they drove them from the entire solar system is because the Quarians kept coming back and tried to wipe the Geth out. Leigion stated this when he said that everytime the Quarians believed that there was an opening, they would attack.

The Geth didn't follow the Quarians outside of the Veil not because they couldn't, but because they didn't want to. The Geth didn't want to destroy the Quarians. They still see them as the creators and take care of their homeworld. The reason why the Quarians were driven out completely was because if they didn't, the Geth would either be forced to exterminate them or the Quarians would exterminate the Geth.

While I like both sides, the fault is the Quarians. Even Legion stated that if the Quarians were willing to return under a banner of peace, the Geth would gladly give them back their homeworld. The Geth have offered the Olive branch, now it is up to the Quarians to grasp it.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2010 - 01:30 .

[Gavinthelocust]

The Geth drove them off in defense. The Quarians saw that they were reaching sentience and were going to shut them all down, basically killing all the Geth. Sure the Geth killed much of the Quarian race but so did the Turians when they unleashed the genophage on the Krogan and they aren't waging war on the galaxy. The Geth have changed and have made an effort to preserve the homeworld for their creators and the Quarians are the ones who can't get over it and only want war. Thus I conclude your little ramble is bull ****, I don't know if I am right but neither do you because the last game hasn't come out yet. Don't assume you are right based on opinion and unconfirmed info and if you do don't post it on a forum where your post will be ripped a new **** by sensible nerds like me.

[CmdrFenix83]

@OP.

Because Legion is in ME2, has some amusing comments, and can dance.  Therefor, they take everything he says as indisputable proof that the Geth are all just a bunch of poor victims in the entire galactic scene. 

I liked Legion... till he was caught spying on another crew member.  To this day, I do not understand why I don't have the option of letting her shoot him.  He's guilty of espionage.  "Creators were discussing plans to attack our people..."  Blah blah blah.  You wouldn't have known that if you hadn't gone behind her back and stole the information from her omni-tool.  You're a spy and should have been executed on the spot as such.

[GreenDragon37]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

The Geth drove them off in defense. The Quarians saw that they were reaching sentience and were going to shut them all down, basically killing all the Geth. Sure the Geth killed much of the Quarian race but so did the Turians when they unleashed the genophage on the Krogan and they aren't waging war on the galaxy. The Geth have changed and have made an effort to preserve the homeworld for their creators and the Quarians are the ones who can't get over it and only want war. Thus I conclude your little ramble is bull ****, I don't know if I am right but neither do you because the last game hasn't come out yet. Don't assume you are right based on opinion and unconfirmed info and if you do don't post it on a forum where your post will be ripped a new **** by sensible nerds like me.

Glad to see someone else agrees that the Quarians are the one's with the problem, not the Geth. I like both, but the Quarians are the ones who need to get over it.

[GreenDragon37]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

@OP.

Because Legion is in ME2, has some amusing comments, and can dance.  Therefor, they take everything he says as indisputable proof that the Geth are all just a bunch of poor victims in the entire galactic scene. 

I liked Legion... till he was caught spying on another crew member.  To this day, I do not understand why I don't have the option of letting her shoot him.  He's guilty of espionage.  "Creators were discussing plans to attack our people..."  Blah blah blah.  You wouldn't have known that if you hadn't gone behind her back and stole the information from her omni-tool.  You're a spy and should have been executed on the spot as such.

He was trying to defend his people from destruction. I would have done the same thing if I were in his position. You would too!

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2010 - 01:37 .

[DPSSOC]

1st off Victory is the sole decider of who is right in a war. It's why we fight wars, to settle minor disagreements when we are too proud to trust the coin toss.



Secondly if a nation, alliance, species, etc. starts an unprovoked war, the Geth had done nothing when the Quarians tried to kill them and while I fully recognize the potential threat they saw the Geth to be a pre-emptive does not equate to a provoked strike, and loses they are not victims, they are morons.



Now on to why I believe the Geth to be peaceful. For 300 years they have been content to keep to themselves, they've taken no action against organics since the end of the Geth War and even durring the War they never ventured past the bounds of their space. It took an outside force, taking the position of God, to provoke them to act against organics.



So let's review; they did not start the Morning War, they pursued the Quarians only to the point they no longer posed an immediate threat, they've taken no aggressive action against organics for 300 years, and only when approached by God did even some of them take action against organics.



Based on that what reason do we have to think they're not peaceful?



I sympathize with the Quarians but they made their bed and blame the Geth for making them sleep in it. They created the Geth, when the realization came that they'd created more than mechanical servants they attempted to destroy the Geth, and surprise, surprise the Geth fought back.



To put this in perspective if I invite you to live in my home as a guest, and over time you take on responsibilities (paying rent, utilities, etc.) and become a housemate, you are fully justified in beating the crap out of me and kicking me out if I try to kill you.

[Nightwriter]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

@OP.

Because Legion is in ME2, has some amusing comments, and can dance.  Therefor, they take everything he says as indisputable proof that the Geth are all just a bunch of poor victims in the entire galactic scene. 

I liked Legion... till he was caught spying on another crew member.  To this day, I do not understand why I don't have the option of letting her shoot him.  He's guilty of espionage.  "Creators were discussing plans to attack our people..."  Blah blah blah.  You wouldn't have known that if you hadn't gone behind her back and stole the information from her omni-tool.  You're a spy and should have been executed on the spot as such.

He's a robot, he saw a threat, he tried to stop it.

You're on a ship full of spies. Everyone's listening in and practicing deception. And you're hating on Legion? At least he's just trying to survive when he does these kinds of things.

[CmdrFenix83]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

@OP.

Because Legion is in ME2, has some amusing comments, and can dance.  Therefor, they take everything he says as indisputable proof that the Geth are all just a bunch of poor victims in the entire galactic scene. 

I liked Legion... till he was caught spying on another crew member.  To this day, I do not understand why I don't have the option of letting her shoot him.  He's guilty of espionage.  "Creators were discussing plans to attack our people..."  Blah blah blah.  You wouldn't have known that if you hadn't gone behind her back and stole the information from her omni-tool.  You're a spy and should have been executed on the spot as such.

He was trying to defend his people from destruction. I would have done the same thing if I were in his position. You would too!

Again, he wouldn't have known that if he hadn't been spying on her to begin with.  Anything after that is irrelevant.  With no reasonable reason, he decided to go snooping around and scanned her omni-tool data.  Spy.  Traitor to my crew.  Executed on the spot.

[Bucky_McLachlan]

OP ur stoopid, k?

[GreenDragon37]

DPSSOC wrote...

1st off Victory is the sole decider of who is right in a war. It's why we fight wars, to settle minor disagreements when we are too proud to trust the coin toss.

Secondly if a nation, alliance, species, etc. starts an unprovoked war, the Geth had done nothing when the Quarians tried to kill them and while I fully recognize the potential threat they saw the Geth to be a pre-emptive does not equate to a provoked strike, and loses they are not victims, they are morons.

Now on to why I believe the Geth to be peaceful. For 300 years they have been content to keep to themselves, they've taken no action against organics since the end of the Geth War and even durring the War they never ventured past the bounds of their space. It took an outside force, taking the position of God, to provoke them to act against organics.

So let's review; they did not start the Morning War, they pursued the Quarians only to the point they no longer posed an immediate threat, they've taken no aggressive action against organics for 300 years, and only when approached by God did even some of them take action against organics.

Based on that what reason do we have to think they're not peaceful?

I sympathize with the Quarians but they made their bed and blame the Geth for making them sleep in it. They created the Geth, when the realization came that they'd created more than mechanical servants they attempted to destroy the Geth, and surprise, surprise the Geth fought back.

To put this in perspective if I invite you to live in my home as a guest, and over time you take on responsibilities (paying rent, utilities, etc.) and become a housemate, you are fully justified in beating the crap out of me and kicking me out if I try to kill you.

This!

[GreenDragon37]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

@OP.

Because Legion is in ME2, has some amusing comments, and can dance.  Therefor, they take everything he says as indisputable proof that the Geth are all just a bunch of poor victims in the entire galactic scene. 

I liked Legion... till he was caught spying on another crew member.  To this day, I do not understand why I don't have the option of letting her shoot him.  He's guilty of espionage.  "Creators were discussing plans to attack our people..."  Blah blah blah.  You wouldn't have known that if you hadn't gone behind her back and stole the information from her omni-tool.  You're a spy and should have been executed on the spot as such.

He was trying to defend his people from destruction. I would have done the same thing if I were in his position. You would too!

Again, he wouldn't have known that if he hadn't been spying on her to begin with.  Anything after that is irrelevant.  With no reasonable reason, he decided to go snooping around and scanned her omni-tool data.  Spy.  Traitor to my crew.  Executed on the spot.

And Miranda wasn't when she was still pro-Cerberus? You think she absolutely trusted you? Even her sister (if you let them see eachother) when she gives you that message states that she knows Miranda is spying on Shepard by digging through YOUR MAIL! AN INVASION OF YOUR PROPERTY! They are the same, after all. So why not execute her?

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2010 - 01:42 .

[CmdrFenix83]

Nightwriter wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

@OP.

Because Legion is in ME2, has some amusing comments, and can dance.  Therefor, they take everything he says as indisputable proof that the Geth are all just a bunch of poor victims in the entire galactic scene. 

I liked Legion... till he was caught spying on another crew member.  To this day, I do not understand why I don't have the option of letting her shoot him.  He's guilty of espionage.  "Creators were discussing plans to attack our people..."  Blah blah blah.  You wouldn't have known that if you hadn't gone behind her back and stole the information from her omni-tool.  You're a spy and should have been executed on the spot as such.

He's a robot, he saw a threat, he tried to stop it.

You're on a ship full of spies. Everyone's listening in and practicing deception. And you're hating on Legion? At least he's just trying to survive when he does these kinds of things.

And why did he see a threat?  Because he was spying on a crewmate with zero prior knowledge of these events.  Unless you physically brought Legion onto the Flotilla, he has zero knowledge of the Alarei and the events that happened inside.  In fact, no one should have a detailed report of the actions within aside from Shepard, Tali, and the squadmate you brought with(usually Garrus for me).  He went behind her back for no reason other than stealing data.  He's a spy.  There is nothing in-game to justify his actions, and he deserved to be shot on the spot.

[Gavinthelocust]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

@OP.

Because Legion is in ME2, has some amusing comments, and can dance.  Therefor, they take everything he says as indisputable proof that the Geth are all just a bunch of poor victims in the entire galactic scene. 

I liked Legion... till he was caught spying on another crew member.  To this day, I do not understand why I don't have the option of letting her shoot him.  He's guilty of espionage.  "Creators were discussing plans to attack our people..."  Blah blah blah.  You wouldn't have known that if you hadn't gone behind her back and stole the information from her omni-tool.  You're a spy and should have been executed on the spot as such.

Like any member of the squad hasn't sneaked around to get something. By your logic all of the squad except Jacob and Wrex should be killed. Me just think you dislike the character and think that is a good reason to throw all sense out the window.

[GreenDragon37]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

@OP.

Because Legion is in ME2, has some amusing comments, and can dance.  Therefor, they take everything he says as indisputable proof that the Geth are all just a bunch of poor victims in the entire galactic scene. 

I liked Legion... till he was caught spying on another crew member.  To this day, I do not understand why I don't have the option of letting her shoot him.  He's guilty of espionage.  "Creators were discussing plans to attack our people..."  Blah blah blah.  You wouldn't have known that if you hadn't gone behind her back and stole the information from her omni-tool.  You're a spy and should have been executed on the spot as such.

He's a robot, he saw a threat, he tried to stop it.

You're on a ship full of spies. Everyone's listening in and practicing deception. And you're hating on Legion? At least he's just trying to survive when he does these kinds of things.

And why did he see a threat?  Because he was spying on a crewmate with zero prior knowledge of these events.  Unless you physically brought Legion onto the Flotilla, he has zero knowledge of the Alarei and the events that happened inside.  In fact, no one should have a detailed report of the actions within aside from Shepard, Tali, and the squadmate you brought with(usually Garrus for me).  He went behind her back for no reason other than stealing data.  He's a spy.  There is nothing in-game to justify his actions, and he deserved to be shot on the spot.

Would you trust someone who's people tried to wipe out your race and has since then harbored long plans of seeing you and your entire race destroyed? By your way of thinking, yes. By a logical way of thinking, HELL NO!

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2010 - 01:44 .

[Nightwriter]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Glad to see someone else agrees that the Quarians are the one's with the problem, not the Geth. I like both, but the Quarians are the ones who need to get over it.

Personally I think it was just a bad freaking situation that both parties need to acclimate and move on from. 

The geth, I feel, never did anything wrong to begin with, and are being misjudged.

Meanwhile, any quarian who could actually be held responsible for the Morning War has long since died, leaving only their children - who have really done nothing wrong except be born into the quarian race - to suffer the blame for their parents and grandparents' mistakes.

The only ones still suffering for this now are pretty much good people who just want to have lives and live well.