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[Solomen]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

All your massive post said was that despite the Geth attacking you on sight every single time you've encountered them, you're willing to blindly trust the one individual that doesn't.  All his actions on the derelict did for me was grant him his life.  The only battle he was brought to was his own loyalty mission that he gave my Shepard immediately.  The instant we finish, he's caught guilty of espionage.  He's done nothing to warrant solid trust, unlike Garrus, Tali, Joker, and Chakwas. 

Just because I activated him and did his loyalty mission, doesn't forgive the fact that he's a Geth.  That alone warrants suspicion.  He's found spying on another crew member.  That throws away any trust he might have earned while on the Heretic Station.  Confirms my suspicions that he might just be a spy sent to infiltrate the group.  Executed on the spot.

Legion is the first Geth platform Shepard has met.

[GuardianAngel470]

Just_mike wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Because Legion is Geth.
As in, all of them.
And he didn't try to kill you.

Dont you just love the Geth? One "person" is enough to judge their entire "race".

This is an ignorant statement.  All geth are one person.  There is no individual once all are connected.  Because Legion was sent by all geth with the express intent of finding you and joining you, this can be used to judge all geth.  If they sent Legion to find you and join you, and he can be trusted, then all geth can be trusted because there is no individual but the collective.

This is in reference to the true geth, the heretic geth have separated themselves, creating a new individual.

[CmdrFenix83]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ea James Madden wrote...

One Question does not make you sentient,having the potential to become sentient yes.And that is what I said. Did you read it? Not all Quarians want war.That is also wrong. I never said the Geth would have killed all Quarians,but now that you mention it.Think about it,There were billions of Quarians now there are only 17 million.The Geth only stopped killing Quarians at the veil,which they could not physically pass.

Theres no proof that the Geth where trying to kill them all. That is your thought, not a fact. It's a fact that the Quarians where trying to kill all Geth. Legion has the right to go snopping around in Talis information if it endangers his race. You are using your thoughts become fact which is wrong. Unless Legion says that they wanted to kill them all then yes, they are not peaceful. The point that the Geth are caring for the Homeworld and Legion even tells Korris that it is poseable for peace if the Quarians want it. The Geth don't want war, the Quarians, including Tali want it.

*No one* has the right to go snooping on someone that they're supposed to be allied with.  No one.  I don't care if Legion was on on the Normandy temporarily or not.  Anyone caught in the same situation Legion was would have been disciplined.  I won't tolerate espionage between ship mates.  Legion's case is only special due to every encounter with his kind resulted in them shooting at me.  He's caught spying on a crewmember, confirming that he is indeed on board the ship to spy on the crew.  Executed on the spot.

[GuardianAngel470]

Solomen wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

All your massive post said was that despite the Geth attacking you on sight every single time you've encountered them, you're willing to blindly trust the one individual that doesn't.  All his actions on the derelict did for me was grant him his life.  The only battle he was brought to was his own loyalty mission that he gave my Shepard immediately.  The instant we finish, he's caught guilty of espionage.  He's done nothing to warrant solid trust, unlike Garrus, Tali, Joker, and Chakwas. 

Just because I activated him and did his loyalty mission, doesn't forgive the fact that he's a Geth.  That alone warrants suspicion.  He's found spying on another crew member.  That throws away any trust he might have earned while on the Heretic Station.  Confirms my suspicions that he might just be a spy sent to infiltrate the group.  Executed on the spot.

Legion is the first Geth platform Shepard has met.

in addition, Legion had a good an respectable justification for spying on Tali.  I disagree that what he did was right, but I recognized that his actions were done with good intentions.  And you may have only done one loyalty mission with him, But I brought him to Tali's recruitment mission as well as her loyalty mission.  He destroyed dozens of geth mobile platforms at my command without hesitating.  That is one factor for why I trust him.

And what has Garrus, Tali, and any of the others done that Legion hasn't done?  Garrus has fought alongside you just as legion has. He hasn't saved my mother from a batarian raid, he hasn't destroyed cerberus facilities to avenge my fallen friends on Akuze, he hasn't defended me publicly for my actions on Torfan. What has he done other than fight with me against my enemies? The same with Tali, what has she done that Legion hasn't?

[Nightwriter]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I can't get a straight answer out of people. I've been hearing the reason they didn't cross the veil is they malfunction outside of it somehow. Then I hear others say it isn't true, it's just their choice.

I have no idea where this came from.  It is never said or implied anywhere in game or otherwise that the geth CANT go beyond the Veil.  What is implied if not expressly stated is that they value their privacy, so much so that they often kill anyone that goes beyond the veil into geth space.  If they don't kill them, they make an example out of them, hence the husks on the derelict ship side quest in me1.

It seems a shorter leap to go from not going beyond the veil to can't go beyond the veil than it is to go from valuing their privacy to choose not to go beyond the veil.

This is from Mass Effect Wiki:

"... However, the geth made no attempt to attack and have not been seen outside the Veil for centuries. According to Legion, this is because they are unable to operate correctly outside the Veil, with Legion itself being the sole exception."

(Someone just sent me the link).

I had no idea.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 02 avril 2010 - 10:21 .

[1136342t54_]

Ea James Madden wrote...

Kraidy you are making stuff up. I have never said the Geth were going to kill all Quarians.Thats why you CAN NOT quote it.(Quit making up lies about me.I don't appreciate it.)  That is not my thoughts. I don't assume to know the Geth's intentions. I just told ... people like you to stop assuming the Geth allowed the Quarians to live and leave beyond the Veil,when the Geth could not physically pass through the veil and continue to function properly. YOU HAVE NO PROOF IT WAS THEIR CHOICE.I have proof that states they could not fucntion properly beyond the veil.(Click the link)Choice being made for them.
Why did the Quarians venture beyond the veil to get away from the Geth?I guess we don't know.Was it because the Geth would not stop their slaughter,or was it the Quarians would rather live the way they live now compared to what?Death,Peace? Give me a reason the Quarians just decided to take their losses and leave?To become stronger and attack in the future with smaller numbers? Doesn't make sense to me. If the Quarians left because they would rather live then die,that wouldn't suggest the Geth let them go...
Stated by Legion masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Geth. 

Actually I remember playing that part when Legion stated why he was sent outside the veil. The main reason is not because the geth are physically incapable of leaving but because if a large amount of geth just suddenly left the veil to explore they may have face a large Citadel force. Legion is able to do it himself since he is specifically designed to function like a intelligent sentient geth on its own without needing multiple platforms to function properly.

If the Geth wanted to kill the Quarians they could have easily it more likely they wanted to make the Quarians suffer to the point where the Quarians felt fighting the geth was a lost cause so they left and now they aren't really a threat.

[CmdrFenix83]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ea James Madden wrote...

Krady quote me saying something that I claim to be facts without proof. And not just the other side like I have been claiming.I'm telling you you have no proof for the Geth.Everything you have said I have shown you the other side.Something either you can not or are not willing to do.

Why does Legion have the right? He doesn't it is still esionage. Just like the Quarians thinking the Geth could be a threat.So they decide to test weopons should be alright to you then
? Legion was caught spying on the Quarians and is more then willing to send the info back to the Geth potentially starting a War.Never trying to be peaceful without the help of Shepard. So The Geth are just as ready for war with the Quarians as the vice versa.You know Legion thoughts,He does not speak for all Geth.He proves this when he allows Shep to make the choice at the Heritic station.
N/m I will stop right there.You quote me saying I never said the Geth would Kill all Quarians,then still tell me thats what I'm saying and claiming it to be facts. Quote me one time were I claim something to be facts,without providing a link?

You keep on saying the Geth where going to kill all the Quarians, There is no proff for that at all, that is your thoughtrs, not fact. Facts are the Quarians tried to kill them all, thisi s made clear from Tai as she says a message was sent to permantly shutdown the Geth. Also Legion has all the right to do it. Shepard's paragon response is the best.

"Tali, your father was running brutal experiments on the Geth. If they where human I would dam well be telling the Alliance."

Anybody in Legions place would have done it because what Talis father was doing could endanger the safety and sercurity of the Geth. Even you would have no matter what because of instincts. Why people feel sorry and try to protect the Quarians is beyond me. ME2 made me hate them ev en more because we at last get the full story on the war.

Faulty machinery is faulty.  When your computer is doing thing it isn't designed for, do you just roll with it and see what happens, or do you attempt to fix the problem?  If my computer started asking questions about its' own existence, I'd be pulling the network cable out of the router, and then would reformat.  My computer should not be asking those questions, that is not what the computer is for.

The problem with the Legion fanboys is they don't even try and look at it from the Quarian point of view.  They just look at the shut down and self-defense and arbitrarily declare that the Quarians should be comdemned forever.  It's such a load of crap.  The Geth were Quarian machinery, they were malfunctioning.  The result of that malfunction would mean sentience.  The Quarians moved to turn off their malfunctioning equpiment before the problem became widespread.  It turned out to be too late, and the Geth defended themselves, resulting in a long, bloody war and the near-genocide of the entire Quarian species.  Billions dead.  Men, women, and children, butchered for being Quarians.

But... You don't care about any of that.. No.  All you see is the Geth point of view, and that's all you care about.

Modifié par CmdrFenix83, 02 avril 2010 - 10:22 .

[RyrineaNara]

Solomen wrote...

The Geth have no problem crossing the veil. They choose not to. They only sent one platform (Legion) to avoid starting an incident.

I think most of the Anti-geth come from people who started with ME1 and got a good grudge going. They forget that Shepard never met Geth, only Heretic. Legion is the first Geth platform to cross the Veil in 300 years.

 I started with Me1, and don't begrudge the geth, because of what the heractics did.

[Karstedt]

Legion has permanently affixed a piece of Shepard's armor to his body. That's something the others haven't done. He's clearly a new model of Geth Stalker.

[GuardianAngel470]

Nightwriter wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I can't get a straight answer out of people. I've been hearing the reason they didn't cross the veil is they malfunction outside of it somehow. Then I hear others say it isn't true, it's just their choice.

I have no idea where this came from.  It is never said or implied anywhere in game or otherwise that the geth CANT go beyond the Veil.  What is implied if not expressly stated is that they value their privacy, so much so that they often kill anyone that goes beyond the veil into geth space.  If they don't kill them, they make an example out of them, hence the husks on the derelict ship side quest in me1.

It seems a shorter leap to go from not going beyond the veil to can't go beyond the veil than it is to go from valuing their privacy to choose not to go beyond the veil.

This is from Mass Effect Wiki:

"... However, the geth made no attempt to attack and have not been seen outside the Veil for centuries. According to Legion, this is because they are unable to operate correctly outside the Veil, with Legion itself being the sole exception."

(Someone just sent me the link).

I had no idea.

Huh, it was never said in the Codex, who posted that? Was it one of the devs? I'm loathe to claim anything from wikipedia or the wiki sites are true as I don't have confirmation of who said what. I'll need a link to where the person who said that on the wiki got their information.

[DarthRevan4life]

Shandepared wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

 The Morning War is part of their history, so if the 300 years where they've shown no sign of active aggression, only attacking those who invade their space.  That is not evidence of aggression that is evidence of insular thinking and fear.

No, it is a sign that they do not wish to live in peace with us and that they should be bombed into scrap.

I would like to assume that anyone who wishes for war and not peace will actively seek ways to attack it's enemies, thrwart/sabotage and any other means of warfare.  If the Geth simply do not wish for peace why stay beyond the Veil?  Is it because the whole "they can't go beyond due to possible malfunctions" who knows as it seems no one can agree on that aspect.  But if Legion is capable of leaving the Veil that means that they have the necessary tools to do so if encouraged.  Obviously in ME1 we fought plenty of Geth outside of the Veil; be that they were all Heretics doesn't matter.  It shows the capability of the Geth to leave the Veil.

In my opinion Geth are not hostile unless provoked and yes entering the Veil or any of their territory is by current standards an act of war.  If N. Korea entered the demilitarzed zone than I can tell you that they would be attacked and vice versa.  Lines of territory are there for a reason are they not?  As a species (yes I call the Geth a species) who was initially attacked by their creators without cause or provocation would you not be wary of any species coming into your territory?  If we are to believe Legion than we need to assume that just because the Geth started becoming self aware the Quarians came to the conclusion that it was better to attack than telling the Geth their purpose was manual labor.  Is it the Geth's fault that they were able/capable of fending off this attack and going on the offensive?  Sorry but if any other species is attacked and you gain the advantage do you you not press the attack forward?  If not than obviously you know nothing of tactics. 

[GuardianAngel470]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I can't get a straight answer out of people. I've been hearing the reason they didn't cross the veil is they malfunction outside of it somehow. Then I hear others say it isn't true, it's just their choice.

I have no idea where this came from.  It is never said or implied anywhere in game or otherwise that the geth CANT go beyond the Veil.  What is implied if not expressly stated is that they value their privacy, so much so that they often kill anyone that goes beyond the veil into geth space.  If they don't kill them, they make an example out of them, hence the husks on the derelict ship side quest in me1.

It seems a shorter leap to go from not going beyond the veil to can't go beyond the veil than it is to go from valuing their privacy to choose not to go beyond the veil.

This is from Mass Effect Wiki:

"... However, the geth made no attempt to attack and have not been seen outside the Veil for centuries. According to Legion, this is because they are unable to operate correctly outside the Veil, with Legion itself being the sole exception."

(Someone just sent me the link).

I had no idea.

Huh, it was never said in the Codex, who posted that? Was it one of the devs? I'm loathe to claim anything from wikipedia or the wiki sites are true as I don't have confirmation of who said what. I'll need a link to where the person who said that on the wiki got their information.

You'd think something like that would be in the ME1 codex, seeing as how you are fighting Geth everywhere past the veil. If that were true the devs would need to say why the geth can operate outside the veil, even if it is because a Reaper did it.

[CmdrFenix83]

Solomen wrote...

The Geth have no problem crossing the veil. They choose not to. They only sent one platform (Legion) to avoid starting an incident.

I think most of the Anti-geth come from people who started with ME1 and got a good grudge going. They forget that Shepard never met Geth, only Heretic. Legion is the first Geth platform to cross the Veil in 300 years.

And that's exactly correct.  Legion shows up as an abnormality to the Geth we know.  We talk with him, and he tells his stories, we help him with his mission... and then he's caught commiting espionage against another crew member, one who's people haven't just tried to kill us at every opportunity.  A crewmember that's proven herself loyal through fire.  Legion proved himself untrustworthy and a spy.

[GuardianAngel470]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ea James Madden wrote...

Krady quote me saying something that I claim to be facts without proof. And not just the other side like I have been claiming.I'm telling you you have no proof for the Geth.Everything you have said I have shown you the other side.Something either you can not or are not willing to do.

Why does Legion have the right? He doesn't it is still esionage. Just like the Quarians thinking the Geth could be a threat.So they decide to test weopons should be alright to you then
? Legion was caught spying on the Quarians and is more then willing to send the info back to the Geth potentially starting a War.Never trying to be peaceful without the help of Shepard. So The Geth are just as ready for war with the Quarians as the vice versa.You know Legion thoughts,He does not speak for all Geth.He proves this when he allows Shep to make the choice at the Heritic station.
N/m I will stop right there.You quote me saying I never said the Geth would Kill all Quarians,then still tell me thats what I'm saying and claiming it to be facts. Quote me one time were I claim something to be facts,without providing a link?

You keep on saying the Geth where going to kill all the Quarians, There is no proff for that at all, that is your thoughtrs, not fact. Facts are the Quarians tried to kill them all, thisi s made clear from Tai as she says a message was sent to permantly shutdown the Geth. Also Legion has all the right to do it. Shepard's paragon response is the best.

"Tali, your father was running brutal experiments on the Geth. If they where human I would dam well be telling the Alliance."

Anybody in Legions place would have done it because what Talis father was doing could endanger the safety and sercurity of the Geth. Even you would have no matter what because of instincts. Why people feel sorry and try to protect the Quarians is beyond me. ME2 made me hate them ev en more because we at last get the full story on the war.

Faulty machinery is faulty.  When your computer is doing thing it isn't designed for, do you just roll with it and see what happens, or do you attempt to fix the problem?  If my computer started asking questions about its' own existence, I'd be pulling the network cable out of the router, and then would reformat.  My computer should not be asking those questions, that is not what the computer is for.

The problem with the Legion fanboys is they don't even try and look at it from the Quarian point of view.  They just look at the shut down and self-defense and arbitrarily declare that the Quarians should be comdemned forever.  It's such a load of crap.  The Geth were Quarian machinery, they were malfunctioning.  The result of that malfunction would mean sentience.  The Quarians moved to turn off their malfunctioning equpiment before the problem became widespread.  It turned out to be too late, and the Geth defended themselves, resulting in a long, bloody war and the near-genocide of the entire Quarian species.  Billions dead.  Men, women, and children, butchered for being Quarians.

But... You don't care about any of that.. No.  All you see is the Geth point of view, and that's all you care about.

Listen, I see this everywhere.  We can't honestly compare the Geth to anything in the real world without telegraphing our ignorance.  There is no real world equivalent, and as such comparing the Geth to anything in the real world immediately invalidates any argument we may have.  None of us have personal experience and so all of us are ignorant.  If you keep this discussion in the hypothetical, then it can move forward. As soon as you start comparing the geth to computers you have started speaking hot air.  No argument where you compare the geth to a real world machine can succeed because both sides can say the other is ignorant when i fact the both are.  This post is for anyone who uses computers in their arguments, and is not limited to Commander fenix, Kraidy, and Ea James Madden.

[Nightwriter]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Huh, it was never said in the Codex, who posted that? Was it one of the devs? I'm loathe to claim anything from wikipedia or the wiki sites are true as I don't have confirmation of who said what. I'll need a link to where the person who said that on the wiki got their information.

I would NOT trust Wiki on this. I don't think this is solid proof. Anyone can make articles there. They're edited, of course, but this particular article hasn't been fully edited yet.

Plus, this was posted in the comments board on this particular article concerning the "Unable to operate outside the Veil" thing -

"I might have missed this, but when does Legion state this? I assumed that they were chosen to do forays as they housed so many intelligences at once they could make independent decisions and be thought to better represent the geth. I never thought this was a physical limitation of the geth, I mean to say. :)"

And -

"I was wondering this as well. Where is it in the game exactly? If anyone could tell me, I'd appreciate it."

No one has replied to these comments. This should give you all the ammunition you need to discount this particular issue, really.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 02 avril 2010 - 10:33 .

[CmdrFenix83]

Solomen wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

All your massive post said was that despite the Geth attacking you on sight every single time you've encountered them, you're willing to blindly trust the one individual that doesn't.  All his actions on the derelict did for me was grant him his life.  The only battle he was brought to was his own loyalty mission that he gave my Shepard immediately.  The instant we finish, he's caught guilty of espionage.  He's done nothing to warrant solid trust, unlike Garrus, Tali, Joker, and Chakwas. 

Just because I activated him and did his loyalty mission, doesn't forgive the fact that he's a Geth.  That alone warrants suspicion.  He's found spying on another crew member.  That throws away any trust he might have earned while on the Heretic Station.  Confirms my suspicions that he might just be a spy sent to infiltrate the group.  Executed on the spot.

Legion is the first Geth platform Shepard has met.

Except there's all of ME1 and every Geth in ME2.  What makes you think what Legion says is true?  Legion has already told you that the Geth are capable of lying with his story about the fake constellation.  So again, why should I trust the first Geth that didn't immediately try to kill me?  Only a fool trusted him blindly the minute he was activated.  I was suspicious of him, and took everythign he said with a grain of salt.  Hours after activating him and 'helping' him with his loyalty mission, he's caught spying on another shipmate.  Any trust earned during those hours was immediately thrown away as Legion essentially confirmed every suspicion that he was a spy.

[CmdrFenix83]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Because Legion is Geth.
As in, all of them.
And he didn't try to kill you.

Dont you just love the Geth? One "person" is enough to judge their entire "race".

This is an ignorant statement.  All geth are one person.  There is no individual once all are connected.  Because Legion was sent by all geth with the express intent of finding you and joining you, this can be used to judge all geth.  If they sent Legion to find you and join you, and he can be trusted, then all geth can be trusted because there is no individual but the collective.

This is in reference to the true geth, the heretic geth have separated themselves, creating a new individual.

Thing is, Legion proved he can't be.

[GuardianAngel470]

Nightwriter wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Huh, it was never said in the Codex, who posted that? Was it one of the devs? I'm loathe to claim anything from wikipedia or the wiki sites are true as I don't have confirmation of who said what. I'll need a link to where the person who said that on the wiki got their information.

I would NOT trust Wiki on this. I don't think this is solid proof. Anyone can make articles there. They're edited, of course, but this particular article hasn't been fully edited yet.

Plus, this was posted in the comments board on this particular article concerning the "Unable to operate outside the Veil" thing -

"I might have missed this, but when does Legion state this? I assumed that they were chosen to do forays as they housed so many intelligences at once they could make independent decisions and be thought to better represent the geth. I never thought this was a physical limitation of the geth, I mean to say. :)"

And -

"I was wondering this as well. Where is it in the game exactly? If anyone could tell me, I'd appreciate it."

No one has replied to these comments. This should give you all the ammunition you need to discount this particular issue, really.

I don't care one way or the other really.  If it is true then there is something about the geth i didn't know, which isn't exactly uncommon.  There is a lot I don't know about the geth. 

If it is false then my understanding of the geth based on instances in both games is true, which isn't that important to me.

[Nightwriter]

Isn't it a little bit like blaming all Muslims, everywhere, for 9/11? We know they're not all bad, and God, it's easy to just lump them all together and be hostile toward the lot of them, but we know it's also wrong.



The ones responsible were just a small faction of "heretics" from a much larger group that we really know nothing about.

[CmdrFenix83]

wiggles89 wrote...

He's caught spying on a crewmember, confirming that he is indeed on board the ship to spy on the crew.  Executed on the spot.

Um, no. Legion only finds out about the information when he's on board the Normandy. It  finds out about this, it wants the information, so it hacks Tali's information. Do you have other examples of Legion hacking your crew's information? How do you know this is the reason it's on your ship?

"Kevin raped Maria! He's on our ship to rape the crew!"
"How do you know this?"
"He raped Maria!"

And again, you're just giving him the benefit of the doubt because you like him.  I don't care what his reasons are for doing what he did.  He's a Geth, that warrants suspicion.  He's caught spying.  He gets shot on the spot for it.  I wouldn't even give him a chance to defend himself.  He's proven himself a spy.

[RyrineaNara]

Karstedt wrote...

Legion has permanently affixed a piece of Shepard's armor to his body. That's something the others haven't done. He's clearly a new model of Geth Stalker.

LOL


Actually, I too would be given the evidence to the alliance, if the Qurians were doing this type thing to humans just like Shepard said when you do the Paragon option.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 02 avril 2010 - 10:43 .

[GuardianAngel470]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Because Legion is Geth.
As in, all of them.
And he didn't try to kill you.

Dont you just love the Geth? One "person" is enough to judge their entire "race".

This is an ignorant statement.  All geth are one person.  There is no individual once all are connected.  Because Legion was sent by all geth with the express intent of finding you and joining you, this can be used to judge all geth.  If they sent Legion to find you and join you, and he can be trusted, then all geth can be trusted because there is no individual but the collective.

This is in reference to the true geth, the heretic geth have separated themselves, creating a new individual.

Thing is, Legion proved he can't be.

How so? What did he do that wasn't in keeping with the will of the True geth from our understanding of them?  I saw nothing but maybe you did.

I do believe that some level of individuality does occur as networks are separated from the collective.  They will make choices that the collective may not have based on having personal experience that the collective lacks.  This individuality however it tossed out the window as soon as they link back to the collective though.  Their data memories are shared with the collective and consensus is achieved, reseting the individuality clock back to zero.

This means that when Legion hooks up to the collective to retrieve the recording about the quarians his data memories are shared and disseminated.  While legion doesn't lose his individuality any changes to his actions based on the will of the collective does occur, at least it should.  This is all speculation as I don't know what legion did when he contacted the collective, he may or may not have shared his data memories.