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[CmdrFenix83]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

@OP.

Because Legion is in ME2, has some amusing comments, and can dance.  Therefor, they take everything he says as indisputable proof that the Geth are all just a bunch of poor victims in the entire galactic scene. 

I liked Legion... till he was caught spying on another crew member.  To this day, I do not understand why I don't have the option of letting her shoot him.  He's guilty of espionage.  "Creators were discussing plans to attack our people..."  Blah blah blah.  You wouldn't have known that if you hadn't gone behind her back and stole the information from her omni-tool.  You're a spy and should have been executed on the spot as such.

He was trying to defend his people from destruction. I would have done the same thing if I were in his position. You would too!

Again, he wouldn't have known that if he hadn't been spying on her to begin with.  Anything after that is irrelevant.  With no reasonable reason, he decided to go snooping around and scanned her omni-tool data.  Spy.  Traitor to my crew.  Executed on the spot.

And Miranda wasn't when she was still pro-Cerberus? You think she absolutely trusted you? Even her sister (if you let them see eachother) when she gives you that message states that she knows Miranda is spying on Shepard by digging through YOUR MAIL! AN INVASION OF YOUR PROPERTY! They are the same, after all. So why not execute her?

Given the option, I would have taken the Normandy to the Citadel, had it stripped of all Cerberus personel, logos, and spying equipment, and probably would have had EDI removed/destroyed.  The game wouldn't play out well, but if the option to *not* work with terrorists had been possible, I would have taken it.

Legion was different.  He was from a race that just spent 1.5 games trying to kill me.  This one shot two husks behind me and let us into the Reaper core room.  Curiously, I reactivate him and talk with him.  I tentatively let him join the crew, and head to the 'Heretic' station and blow them to hell.  We get back, and he's caught spying on a crew member, confirming suspicions that he was a spy.  Should have been shot on sight and tossed out the airlock.

[GreenDragon37]

Nightwriter wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Glad to see someone else agrees that the Quarians are the one's with the problem, not the Geth. I like both, but the Quarians are the ones who need to get over it.

Personally I think it was just a bad freaking situation that both parties need to acclimate and move on from. 

The geth, I feel, never did anything wrong to begin with, and are being misjudged.

Meanwhile, any quarian who could actually be held responsible for the Morning War has long since died, leaving only their children - who have really done nothing wrong except be born into the quarian race - to suffer the blame for their parents and grandparents' mistakes.

The only ones still suffering for this now are pretty much good people who just want to have lives and live well.

Which is why they need to accept the olive branch. No need to continue the war that your ancestors fought. Admiral "Quibb Quibb" may be a douchebag, but he is a smart douchebag.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2010 - 01:49 .

[CmdrFenix83]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Would you trust someone who's people tried to wipe out your race and has since then harbored long plans of seeing you and your entire race destroyed? By your way of thinking, yes. By a logical way of thinking, HELL NO!

Irrelevant.  He's part of my crew, he's caught spying on my chief engineer.  Spy.  Shoot on sight, since interrogating a robot won't get far.

[GreenDragon37]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Would you trust someone who's people tried to wipe out your race and has since then harbored long plans of seeing you and your entire race destroyed? By your way of thinking, yes. By a logical way of thinking, HELL NO!

Irrelevant.  He's part of my crew, he's caught spying on my chief engineer.  Spy.  Shoot on sight, since interrogating a robot won't get far.

Again, you act like no one else on your crew was spying on the other, which is wrong. Miranda did, yet you don't say anything about her.

[Gavinthelocust]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Would you trust someone who's people tried to wipe out your race and has since then harbored long plans of seeing you and your entire race destroyed? By your way of thinking, yes. By a logical way of thinking, HELL NO!

Irrelevant.  He's part of my crew, he's caught spying on my chief engineer.  Spy.  Shoot on sight, since interrogating a robot won't get far.

Then you should also shoot Miranda, Thane, Garrus, Joker, Mordin, EDI, and Kelly because they all have sneaked a look at some secret things on your ship. Oh wait you like those characters so I guess they can get away with it, your logic is null and void.

[CmdrFenix83]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Would you trust someone who's people tried to wipe out your race and has since then harbored long plans of seeing you and your entire race destroyed? By your way of thinking, yes. By a logical way of thinking, HELL NO!

Irrelevant.  He's part of my crew, he's caught spying on my chief engineer.  Spy.  Shoot on sight, since interrogating a robot won't get far.

Again, you act like no one else on your crew was spying on the other, which is wrong. Miranda did, yet you don't say anything about her.

Except, I did above.  Given the option I wouldn't have a single member of Cerberus on my ship.  After the argument between her and Jack, I would have dumped Miranda on the nearest habitable planet.  She's a ****, and I lose her loyalty every single time because of it.  Even manage to get her killed on occasion due to lack of loyalty.  No real loss there.

[GreenDragon37]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

@OP.

Because Legion is in ME2, has some amusing comments, and can dance.  Therefor, they take everything he says as indisputable proof that the Geth are all just a bunch of poor victims in the entire galactic scene. 

I liked Legion... till he was caught spying on another crew member.  To this day, I do not understand why I don't have the option of letting her shoot him.  He's guilty of espionage.  "Creators were discussing plans to attack our people..."  Blah blah blah.  You wouldn't have known that if you hadn't gone behind her back and stole the information from her omni-tool.  You're a spy and should have been executed on the spot as such.

He was trying to defend his people from destruction. I would have done the same thing if I were in his position. You would too!

Again, he wouldn't have known that if he hadn't been spying on her to begin with.  Anything after that is irrelevant.  With no reasonable reason, he decided to go snooping around and scanned her omni-tool data.  Spy.  Traitor to my crew.  Executed on the spot.

And Miranda wasn't when she was still pro-Cerberus? You think she absolutely trusted you? Even her sister (if you let them see eachother) when she gives you that message states that she knows Miranda is spying on Shepard by digging through YOUR MAIL! AN INVASION OF YOUR PROPERTY! They are the same, after all. So why not execute her?

Given the option, I would have taken the Normandy to the Citadel, had it stripped of all Cerberus personel, logos, and spying equipment, and probably would have had EDI removed/destroyed.  The game wouldn't play out well, but if the option to *not* work with terrorists had been possible, I would have taken it.

Legion was different.  He was from a race that just spent 1.5 games trying to kill me.  This one shot two husks behind me and let us into the Reaper core room.  Curiously, I reactivate him and talk with him.  I tentatively let him join the crew, and head to the 'Heretic' station and blow them to hell.  We get back, and he's caught spying on a crew member, confirming suspicions that he was a spy.  Should have been shot on sight and tossed out the airlock.

So? Cerberus was spying on you. Miranda was spying on you. And the Geth you fought only represents less than 15 percent of the entire Geth population. By your logic, I should hate all Germans because of the 1930s-1940s political group, or hate all of Humanity because of Cerberus. Your logic dosen't hold.

"You humans are all racists!"

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2010 - 01:55 .

[Bucky_McLachlan]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

And why did he see a threat?  Because he was spying on a crewmate with zero prior knowledge of these events.  Unless you physically brought Legion onto the Flotilla, he has zero knowledge of the Alarei and the events that happened inside.  In fact, no one should have a detailed report of the actions within aside from Shepard, Tali, and the squadmate you brought with(usually Garrus for me).  He went behind her back for no reason other than stealing data.  He's a spy.  There is nothing in-game to justify his actions, and he deserved to be shot on the spot.

Ya you're totally right man, Legion is totally evil and bad and should be killed for attempting to inform the Geth that the Quarians were developing Anti-Geth weapons and preparing for war.

Modifié par Bucky_McLachlan, 01 avril 2010 - 01:55 .

[Xaijin]

Miranda and Thane both dig all off in your stuff, Miranda straight up tells you she's going be all off in your business and would have rather put a chip in your head and rather likely Kelly too, Samara also says She'll kill you if you act "wrong", and Jack literally threatens mutiny just to see what you'll do.

Tali's ass is grown. She doesn't need babying.

Modifié par Xaijin, 01 avril 2010 - 01:56 .

[Gavinthelocust]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

And why did he see a threat?  Because he was spying on a crewmate with zero prior knowledge of these events.  Unless you physically brought Legion onto the Flotilla, he has zero knowledge of the Alarei and the events that happened inside.  In fact, no one should have a detailed report of the actions within aside from Shepard, Tali, and the squadmate you brought with(usually Garrus for me).  He went behind her back for no reason other than stealing data.  He's a spy.  There is nothing in-game to justify his actions, and he deserved to be shot on the spot.

Ya you're totally right man, Legion is totally evil and bad and should be killed for attempting to inform the Geth that the Quarians were developing Anti-Geth weapons and preparing for war.

You, sir, are awesome.

[GreenDragon37]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

And why did he see a threat?  Because he was spying on a crewmate with zero prior knowledge of these events.  Unless you physically brought Legion onto the Flotilla, he has zero knowledge of the Alarei and the events that happened inside.  In fact, no one should have a detailed report of the actions within aside from Shepard, Tali, and the squadmate you brought with(usually Garrus for me).  He went behind her back for no reason other than stealing data.  He's a spy.  There is nothing in-game to justify his actions, and he deserved to be shot on the spot.

Ya you're totally right man, Legion is totally evil and bad and should be killed for attempting to inform the Geth that the Quarians were developing Anti-Geth weapons and preparing for war.

Exactly. I just don't get people who say all Geth are bad when even the Codex states that only 15%  or less are bad.

[Vaenier]

Miranda: Cerberus Loyal and easily manipulated. Jacob: Cerberus Loyal. Jack: Completely nuts, unstable. Thane: Assassin with no reason to follow you. Zaheed: Mercenary in it for the money only, could be bought. Samara: She literally says she will kill you when her oath is complete...

The only people on the crew I trust are Tali, Garrus, Legion, and Grunt.

[Internet Kraken]

Ea James Madden wrote...

And if you think synthetic Ai life turned sentient is not a threat to organic life,you are just mistaken.

I've never understood this point of view. Your entire reasoning for this claim seems to be based on the Reapers being evil. Well, first of all the Reapers are made from both organic and synthetic components. They are hybrids, unlike the Geth. But even if they were completley synthetic, your claim still makes no sense. You're pretty much saying that all AI are identical, even though there are drastic differences between EDI, Legion, and Harbinger. Just because the Reapers are malevolent AI's doesn't mean that every single AI is the same. In the ME universe every single hostile AI I can think of is under the threat of being destroyed. The one AI that isn't at risk is EDI, and she is perfectly fine. I'm pretty sure the reason most AI's are violent is because organics keep trying to destroy them.

[CmdrFenix83]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Would you trust someone who's people tried to wipe out your race and has since then harbored long plans of seeing you and your entire race destroyed? By your way of thinking, yes. By a logical way of thinking, HELL NO!

Irrelevant.  He's part of my crew, he's caught spying on my chief engineer.  Spy.  Shoot on sight, since interrogating a robot won't get far.

Then you should also shoot Miranda, Thane, Garrus, Joker, Mordin, EDI, and Kelly because they all have sneaked a look at some secret things on your ship. Oh wait you like those characters so I guess they can get away with it, your logic is null and void.

Miranda would have been left in C-Sec custody with the rest of the Cerberus personel.  EDI would have been destroyed, I never would have recruited Thane(why did I need an assassin?).  Mordin is necessary to survive encounters with the Collectors.  Joker is a damned fine pilot, and I actually trust him, since he hasn't been trying to kill me for 1.5 games.  You'll have to explain Garrus, because I don't see your point.

[GreenDragon37]

Internet Kraken wrote...

Ea James Madden wrote...
And if you think synthetic Ai life turned sentient is not a threat to organic life,you are just mistaken.

I've never understood this point of view. Your entire reasoning for this claim seems to be based on the Reapers being evil. Well, first of all the Reapers are made from both organic and synthetic components. They are hybrids, unlike the Geth. But even if they were completley synthetic, your claim still makes no sense. You're pretty much saying that all AI are identical, even though there are drastic differences between EDI, Legion, and Harbinger. Just because the Reapers are malevolent AI's doesn't mean that every single AI is the same. In the ME universe every single hostile AI I can think of is under the threat of being destroyed. The one AI that isn't at risk is EDI, and she is perfectly fine. I'm pretty sure the reason most AI's are violent is because organics keep trying to destroy them.

You sir, win!

[Maria Caliban]

PARAGON87 wrote...

Don't forget, the Geth, although they chose to isolate themselves, act as caretakers for the Quarian homeworld and systems. They still view them as the Creators, and have named an offshoot branch of their race "heretics" because they favored all-out war with organics. It seems like, deep-down, the Geth want to be at peace with the Quarians.

Indeed.

Moreover, there’s a difference between ‘Assume the geth are peaceful’ and ‘Not assuming they can only desire to wipe out organic life.’

Humans aren’t peaceful, but that doesn’t mean every Jack on the street wants to kill you.

[CmdrFenix83]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

So? Cerberus was spying on you. Miranda was spying on you. And the Geth you fought only represents less than 15 percent of the entire Geth population. By your logic, I should hate all Germans because of the 1930s-1940s political group, or hate all of Humanity because of Cerberus. Your logic dosen't hold.

"You humans are all racists!"

And again... why do you think the Geth we fought represent less than 15% of the population?  Oh right, the spying robot told you so, of course.  I don't trust Cerberus either, and rightfully so.  And yet... why do you trust Legion?  Because you like him.  Nothing more, nothing less.  That's all you need to trust him.  See sig.  Morons like you are why I have it.

[GreenDragon37]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Would you trust someone who's people tried to wipe out your race and has since then harbored long plans of seeing you and your entire race destroyed? By your way of thinking, yes. By a logical way of thinking, HELL NO!

Irrelevant.  He's part of my crew, he's caught spying on my chief engineer.  Spy.  Shoot on sight, since interrogating a robot won't get far.

Then you should also shoot Miranda, Thane, Garrus, Joker, Mordin, EDI, and Kelly because they all have sneaked a look at some secret things on your ship. Oh wait you like those characters so I guess they can get away with it, your logic is null and void.

Miranda would have been left in C-Sec custody with the rest of the Cerberus personel.  EDI would have been destroyed, I never would have recruited Thane(why did I need an assassin?).  Mordin is necessary to survive encounters with the Collectors.  Joker is a damned fine pilot, and I actually trust him, since he hasn't been trying to kill me for 1.5 games.  You'll have to explain Garrus, because I don't see your point.

You don't see our point, or you just don't want to? Because I think it's the latter. There are plenty of untrusting crewmembers who are just as capable of killing you as Legion is. And those Geth you fought for 1.5 games represented only 15% or less of all Geth! You keep justifying that all Geth are evil because of the Heretics. With your view, all of Humanity is evil because Cerberus is killing off a lot of Aliens!

"You Humans are all racists!" There is meaning in that quote and you are unknowingly justifying it!

[GreenDragon37]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

So? Cerberus was spying on you. Miranda was spying on you. And the Geth you fought only represents less than 15 percent of the entire Geth population. By your logic, I should hate all Germans because of the 1930s-1940s political group, or hate all of Humanity because of Cerberus. Your logic dosen't hold.

"You humans are all racists!"

And again... why do you think the Geth we fought represent less than 15% of the population?  Oh right, the spying robot told you so, of course.  I don't trust Cerberus either, and rightfully so.  And yet... why do you trust Legion?  Because you like him.  Nothing more, nothing less.  That's all you need to trust him.  See sig.  Morons like you are why I have it.

Codex, smart one. Look it up. Now you're just annoying me.

I'm tired, so I'm going to bed. I'll pick up this discussion tommorow.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 01 avril 2010 - 02:04 .

[Internet Kraken]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Again, he wouldn't have known that if he hadn't been spying on her to begin with. Anything after that is irrelevant. With no reasonable reason, he decided to go snooping around and scanned her omni-tool data. Spy. Traitor to my crew. Executed on the spot.

So what, you think Shepard doesn't brief the crew on what he did during his missions?

Crew member: Shepard, what were you doing for the last 5 hours?
Shepard: Oh you know.......stuff. By the way, I recently acquired a bunch of new technology you can use to upgrade your weapons and armor. But don't ask where I got it from.

It's reasonable to assume that your crew learns what happens during your missions without having to be there.

Modifié par Internet Kraken, 01 avril 2010 - 02:05 .

[CmdrFenix83]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

And why did he see a threat?  Because he was spying on a crewmate with zero prior knowledge of these events.  Unless you physically brought Legion onto the Flotilla, he has zero knowledge of the Alarei and the events that happened inside.  In fact, no one should have a detailed report of the actions within aside from Shepard, Tali, and the squadmate you brought with(usually Garrus for me).  He went behind her back for no reason other than stealing data.  He's a spy.  There is nothing in-game to justify his actions, and he deserved to be shot on the spot.

Ya you're totally right man, Legion is totally evil and bad and should be killed for attempting to inform the Geth that the Quarians were developing Anti-Geth weapons and preparing for war.

You, sir, are awesome.

Or an idiot that cannot read.  See the bold in the quote.  He has no reason to go snooping other than being a spy.

[Xaijin]

Considering ME1 -> ME2 the Codex isn't exactly trustworthy as far as veracity is concerned.

[Ninja O Dume]

The moral of this story is that everybody has an opinion and they all think that their opinion is the best.



I think Legion is the best dancing robot in the galaxy. Does that mean I trust him? Not necessarily. Do I think the Geth are intriguing? Yes. Do I think they are entirely without blame? Hard to say, as humans weren't even in the picture 300 years before.



I think all this boils down to the fact that Legion is a Shepard fanboy and he just wants Shepard to like him.

[Xaijin]

Have to kill Zaeed (cameras)too, along with everyone but Garrus and... Tali and Mordin. Yep that's a full crew.

[Bucky_McLachlan]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Would you trust someone who's people tried to wipe out your race and has since then harbored long plans of seeing you and your entire race destroyed? By your way of thinking, yes. By a logical way of thinking, HELL NO!

Irrelevant.  He's part of my crew, he's caught spying on my chief engineer.  Spy.  Shoot on sight, since interrogating a robot won't get far.

Then you should also shoot Miranda, Thane, Garrus, Joker, Mordin, EDI, and Kelly because they all have sneaked a look at some secret things on your ship. Oh wait you like those characters so I guess they can get away with it, your logic is null and void.

Miranda would have been left in C-Sec custody with the rest of the Cerberus personel.  EDI would have been destroyed, I never would have recruited Thane(why did I need an assassin?).  Mordin is necessary to survive encounters with the Collectors.  Joker is a damned fine pilot, and I actually trust him, since he hasn't been trying to kill me for 1.5 games.  You'll have to explain Garrus, because I don't see your point.

Right then. I think it's pretty clear that the real problem here is that you have formed unhealthy attachments to a video game.

Just gonna ignore your posts from here on out, I recommend that everyone else do the same.

Modifié par Bucky_McLachlan, 01 avril 2010 - 02:08 .