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[Nightwriter]

I agree with Exyle.

What would happen if our computers right now started asking us existential questions? Would we try to destroy them, wipe them out like the quarians?

I honestly don't think that would quite be our immediate reaction. First of all we'd all be in total "wtf" shock. It would inspire a kind of stunned silence across the globe as we'd all look at each other, totally speechless.

Then I expect there'd be an absolute uproar of conflicting religious and spiritual opinions. Some people would start fiery protests on behalf of the robots, roaring that they were to be treated as equals and had a right to live like all of us, that they had souls just like the rest of us.

Other religious factions would probably look on them as something unholy and in need of destruction. The programmers of the world would just be sitting around scratching their heads in total denial, sure of the fact that the very thing they'd said for years and years was completely impossible could simply not be happening.

The ultimate decision to destroy the machines would come from government, of course, but by then there would probably be so many AIs distributed around the world, in households and businesses, this wouldn't mean much. Ultimately the world might not be able to come to an agreement on what to do. But whatever happened, we probably wouldn't unanimously vote to destroy them all.

[Collider]

AI is illegal in Citadel Space. If you don't want your entire race kicked off the council, you shut the Geth down and reprogram them so they aren't asking if they have souls anymore.

[Nightwriter]

Tali states that the reason they attacked the geth was that they knew one day the geth would turn on them and revolt. Achieving sentience made this inevitable to the quarians.



She never mentioned anything about the quarians just trying to cover their own backsides. Hadn't they already crossed AI boundaries by that time?

[Collider]

No they haven't. The Geth, prior to evolving soul seeking, were just servants. At most they'd be like Avina on the presidium, which is virtual intelligence.

[Exyle19]

Aye, Collider is correct, iirc.



The Geth were never developed as AI, but instead reached this end through distributed intelligence. A codex entry and Legion explain that Geth are not true AI in the usual sense, but rather hundreds or thousands of VI processes interacting in unique ways to creat sentience.

[AdrynBliss]

Ea James Madden wrote...

Discussing this with people only looking from the Geth's pov is a waste of my time. I am going to  leave you with my opinion.
The Geth ran the Quarians not only from their homeworld, but the entire system, For the Quarians the choice was leave or die.The Geth didn't offer any other choice. But they walk away as inocent victors? ...
Just in case you don't understand what I'm saying to you and all others.  THE GETH TRIED TO WIPE OUT AN ENITRE SENTIENT RACE,

you say you don't want to people only looking from the geth's point of view and only the fact? well you seem to be missing a fairly massive point.

Initally the quarians attempted to wipe out the geth simply because they had become sentient. That's right. THE QUARIANS TRIED TO WIPE OUT AN ENITRE SENTIENT RACE .
The Geth defended themselves and the two went to war. The Geth won. This does NOT make the Quarians victims of anything other than their own decisions. Personally, I actually see the Geth as the victims.
What I think folks don't get is that just because they won the fight in the end doesn't stop them being the victims.
If a bully picks on you, you then have a fight and win, your still the victim of bullying.

Your scewing the facts. Of course the geth forced them from the system with the ultimatum leave or die, the quariens tried to commit genocide as in wipe every last one of them out BUT the geth LET them leave. Think about that, the geth let them live where as the quariens would have wiped every last one out, which one shows mercy?

And now Legion says the geth would be open to dipolmacy to stop the fighting, but the quarians don't seem all that willing to do that do they.

Modifié par AdrynBliss, 04 avril 2010 - 09:19 .

[kreite]

the geth are robots baised on logic, survival and their own advancement is all they strive for, when the quarians attacked the geth did not want to take chances that allowing them to stay in the system would give them a chance to retaliate from the colony worlds and they did need a homeworld themselves I know they heven't exactly been nice to anyone killing any who come into the veil but they do it due to the logic that they have a tchnological edge above everyone else if someone coming into the veil got the oppurtunity to study there tech they would lose that edge

final statement:the quarians of old who made the geth and attacked them which caused the morning war are the ones we blame the quarians of now who roam the stars are the ones we see as victims we don't exactly sympathize with them as you do though

[ExtremeOne]

Oh at least the Geth have a reason to fight. they did nothing wrong

[hawat333]

Ea James Madden wrote...
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Just in case you don't understand what I'm saying to you and all others.  THE GETH TRIED TO WIPE OUT AN ENITRE SENTIENT RACE,but could not follow the Quarians beyond the veil.Due to not being able to function properly. Two wrongs don't make a right correct?
...

Try to pay attention to the story. No, really.
The. Quarians. Tried. To. Wipe. Out. An. Entire. Sentient. Race. But the geth repelled, defended themselves, and chase away the people who tried to wipe them out.
That's about it.

It's not about peacefulness or anything else. Quarians tried to play god and failed. The geth defended themselves.
Those are facts.


edit: anyways, it's pretty much like the Reaper - Sentient species war. The Reapers want to harvest us, to wipe ous, whatever, after making our quick development possible. We fight back, possibly chasing them out of the 'Verse.
Does it make us agressors? Does it make the Reapers right? No, it doesn't. It's self defence. Anyone denying it didn't pay attention to the facts.

Modifié par hawat333, 04 avril 2010 - 12:31 .

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My opinion on this is that the only true victims of this war are the present Quarians not the ones during the war. Both sides in the war defended themselves and were also close to wiping out an entire race. The Quarians and the geth had a right to defend themselves so no one is really at fault. The Quarians now are victims since they are victims of their ancestors mistakes and have to pay for it by being unable to actually settle any world successfully and they are also shunned from galactic society.



On the topic of geth being peaceful I think they have little reason to attack us if you go by what legion says about them building a structure similar to a Dyson sphere and if that is complete than they would have little need to actually pick a fight with us. Starting a war with them would be a mistake since right now it seems like they already out number the forces of must of the citadel races since one of their fleets that was stationed near Haestrom is numbered from 5,000-10,000 ships. A war could end up with us as the losers in it. Right now we should be working towards trying to see if the geth will help us in a war against the reapers. That is the reason why my shepard supported curing the genophage because a united Krogan as Mordin said defeated the rachni and saved the galaxy. The geth's large military could help us stand against the reapers or at least survive it.