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[Vaenier]

Legion has done no aggressive actions towards me or my crew. Infect, he saved us on the Derelict Reaper by sniping husks and gaining you access to the core room. Your main argument against him is that "he is different than us."

Hell, he is even willing to endanger genocide of his own people by not giving them the warning, just because you say so. That is as loyal a crew member as you will ever get.

[Nightwriter]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Miranda would have been left in C-Sec custody with the rest of the Cerberus personel.  EDI would have been destroyed, I never would have recruited Thane(why did I need an assassin?).  Mordin is necessary to survive encounters with the Collectors.  Joker is a damned fine pilot, and I actually trust him, since he hasn't been trying to kill me for 1.5 games.  You'll have to explain Garrus, because I don't see your point.

Sounds like you just want to shoot everyone who's even the least bit suspicious. Being a trigger happy maniac this way means having no crew and never getting to know people or form friendships.

Your whole freaking game is about getting a bunch of distrustful misfits and badasses from all walks of life to get along, work together and learn to change and accomplish this mission. You can't toss them out an airlock first sign of a problem, you have to MAKE it work. That's your job.

None of them are going to be able to trust each other, and all of them are going to have problems and be jumpy. Sooner or later they're going to do something wrong. Be a commander. Work with them.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 01 avril 2010 - 02:08 .

[Gavinthelocust]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

So? Cerberus was spying on you. Miranda was spying on you. And the Geth you fought only represents less than 15 percent of the entire Geth population. By your logic, I should hate all Germans because of the 1930s-1940s political group, or hate all of Humanity because of Cerberus. Your logic dosen't hold.

"You humans are all racists!"

And again... why do you think the Geth we fought represent less than 15% of the population?  Oh right, the spying robot told you so, of course.  I don't trust Cerberus either, and rightfully so.  And yet... why do you trust Legion?  Because you like him.  Nothing more, nothing less.  That's all you need to trust him.  See sig.  Morons like you are why I have it.

So you think that because he is a robot from a race that is unfamiliar and is near war with another and stumbles upon important info that could save his people he should be killed? What if you found some info on Cerberus and Miranda or Jacob caught you should the game just end there? No because that would suck. The OP made better points than you and it was mostly based on opinion and unconfirmed facts.

[CmdrFenix83]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

So? Cerberus was spying on you. Miranda was spying on you. And the Geth you fought only represents less than 15 percent of the entire Geth population. By your logic, I should hate all Germans because of the 1930s-1940s political group, or hate all of Humanity because of Cerberus. Your logic dosen't hold.

"You humans are all racists!"

And again... why do you think the Geth we fought represent less than 15% of the population?  Oh right, the spying robot told you so, of course.  I don't trust Cerberus either, and rightfully so.  And yet... why do you trust Legion?  Because you like him.  Nothing more, nothing less.  That's all you need to trust him.  See sig.  Morons like you are why I have it.

Codex, smart one. Look it up. Now you're just annoying me.

I'm tired, so I'm going to bed. I'll pick up this discussion tommorow.

And when do you get this entry?  Oh, from Legion.  You realize entries change with new information, genius?  Look at the ones involving the Blue Suns.  At first they say so and so made them and it went like this.  Then after Zaeed's loyalty mission, a new entry comes out and contradicts that and gives you the real story.  But no, this doesn't set precedent for the same thing being possible at all, does it?  Nah.  I'll just blindly trust the friggin robot spy just because he can dance.

[Azint]

There is a difference between peaceful, and open to peace.

[DPSSOC]

On Legion spying. If legion is aboard when you do the mission he would hear EDI (being right next to her hardware and if I'm not mistaken regularly interfaced with her) mention likely Geth resistance Shepard will face. Now as soon as Legion gets hold of even a hint of Geth on Flotilla his spying is justify as it is a Geth concern. If Geth attacked it's either the heretics or Legion's geth and one way or another it is the Geth's concern. If Geth did not attack then the issue of how and why they're there is also a Geth concern.



If Legions not picked up at that point then there is the universal law of people talk. Joker most likely had some idea of what was going on, needing to be ready to save Shepard's behind, and Joker loves to talk, or at least vocalize his thoughts. So all it would take is one crewmember hearing Joker or EDI say Geth once and the rumours will start flying, and rumours are like ****aroaches they will never die. So either being present or arriving later it defies probability that Legion didn't have at least a vague idea of what was going on. That's not even accounting for the possibility of mission logs which are freely accessible, or EDI saying, "Hey Legion the Quarians were studying your people"

[Ea James Madden]

Just to clear things up.Legion states he is the only true Geth ventureing beyond the veil. He also states that True Geth do not function properly beyond the veil. Your Legion states this himself.

Don't assume the Geth stoped their pursuit for the Quarians because of choice,when they physically could not. Kinda makes the choice for you.



Anyone saying the Geth are peaceful because they keep to themselves don't make much sense.

Tigers,Male lions random etc travel alone and are not friendly so that doesn't make much of an arguement.(examples of solo animals I know but still an example there are others)



Also anyone stating that the Quarians are wrong so that makes the Geth right and peaceful is also not making much of an arguement.I acknowledge two wrongs don't make a right.You will not. I completely agree the Quarians are wrong for trying to kill them off.But the Geth are just as wrong for the way they handle the response.(Killing Billons of Quarians.) If they were truly as sentient and peaceful as you say,why didn't and haven't they persued peace in over 300 years?

Just because the Quarians were wrong and tried to kill them? Or is it because they already kicked the Quarians a** once why bother? What reasons do the Geth have to reach a peaceful solution with the Quarians? They know if the Quarians try something the Geth will just kick their a** again.?.



If you answer any of this answer What reasons do the Geth have to reach a peaceful solution with the Quarians?

[Spartas Husky]

WHy assume they are agressive?

[DPSSOC]

Xaijin wrote...

Have to kill Zaeed (cameras)too, along with everyone but Garrus and... Tali and Mordin. Yep that's a full crew.

You can't even trust them.  A lots happened in two years Garrus and Tali have new loyalties, new priorities, and Mordin is former STG again has his own loyalties and priorities.  The only person Shepard can trust is...Shepard.  Good luck flying the ship by yourself after you've crippled it by ripping out the integrated AI.

[CmdrFenix83]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

So? Cerberus was spying on you. Miranda was spying on you. And the Geth you fought only represents less than 15 percent of the entire Geth population. By your logic, I should hate all Germans because of the 1930s-1940s political group, or hate all of Humanity because of Cerberus. Your logic dosen't hold.

"You humans are all racists!"

And again... why do you think the Geth we fought represent less than 15% of the population?  Oh right, the spying robot told you so, of course.  I don't trust Cerberus either, and rightfully so.  And yet... why do you trust Legion?  Because you like him.  Nothing more, nothing less.  That's all you need to trust him.  See sig.  Morons like you are why I have it.

So you think that because he is a robot from a race that is unfamiliar and is near war with another and stumbles upon important info that could save his people he should be killed? What if you found some info on Cerberus and Miranda or Jacob caught you should the game just end there? No because that would suck. The OP made better points than you and it was mostly based on opinion and unconfirmed facts.

Stumbles across... or steals?  Oh right, he stole the data.  He had zero reason to be snooping if he wasn't a spy.

You keep talking like being a spy in general is an abhorrent thing.  Legion was spying on a crewmate for a race that had recently invaded the galaxy and attacked the Citadel.  How do you know he wasn't sent to find you because the Reapers wanted to give you this massive sob story about heretics and everything just so you could trust him?  This gives them inside information, a method of easy assassination, and a way to subvert the attempts to stop them.  Why do you trust him?  Oh right, he can do the robot.

I've already stated my thoughts on Cerberus and what I would do if the option had been there.  Long story short, I don't trust Miranda, Jacob, or the rest of the ships crew aside from Chakwas and Joker, as they have both had my life in their hands and saved it. 

[Xaijin]

Garrus and Mordin could have killed you and didn't. And Tali vs Shepard requires both no crew interaction and an alternate universe.

Modifié par Xaijin, 01 avril 2010 - 02:15 .

[Gavinthelocust]

Ea James Madden wrote...

If you answer any of this answer What reasons do the Geth have to reach a peaceful solution with the Quarians?

Well they may want to share the planet they have been keeping safe for the last three hundred years and please the creators. Also the incoming Reapers may be a good reason for them to put aside their differences for the good of the galaxy. We'll see in ME3.

[Azint]

DPSSOC wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

Have to kill Zaeed (cameras)too, along with everyone but Garrus and... Tali and Mordin. Yep that's a full crew.

You can't even trust them.  A lots happened in two years Garrus and Tali have new loyalties, new priorities, and Mordin is former STG again has his own loyalties and priorities.  The only person Shepard can trust is...Shepard.  Good luck flying the ship by yourself after you've crippled it by ripping out the integrated AI.

They both swore off whatever they were doing to rejoin the squad. Garrus really has nothing else to do, Tali changed her name for that, I'm pretty sure they can be trusted, in terms of loyatly at least.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

So? Cerberus was spying on you.
Miranda was spying on you. And the Geth you fought only represents less
than 15 percent of the entire Geth population. By your logic, I should
hate all Germans because of the 1930s-1940s political group, or hate all
of Humanity because of Cerberus. Your logic dosen't hold.

"You
humans are all racists!" ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

And again... why do you think the Geth we fought
represent less than 15% of the population?  Oh right, the spying robot
told you so, of course.  I don't trust Cerberus either, and rightfully
so.  And yet... why do you trust Legion?  Because you like him.  Nothing
more, nothing less.  That's all you need to trust him.  See sig. 
Morons like you are why I have it.

Because in ME1
the Citadel would have been ****ed if you had the entire geth army
after you. The human fleet wouldn't have surivied and there would have
been easily 10x more geth warships and that is not including the 5-10 geth dreadnoughts attacking that the geth most likely have. You really think two dozen geth warships is all the geth have? and yet the attacked the citadel with that force. And the herectics were commanded by sovereign who bought every pawn he had to bear on the citadel.

Let actions dictate how you judge people. I am betting that you think all middle eastern people are terrorists willing to strap bombs to their chests. Legion was perfectly legitmized in spying. Techinally there people are at war. still. Spying is what you do in war. More battles have been won because of spying then sheer bravery or going out ot meet them in battle.

Thirdly, you are condricting the game. Why o Why would legion have you go kill heretic geth in a space station in the middle of no where. You even blew up the remaining heretic geth up, killing the majority of said 15%.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 01 avril 2010 - 02:18 .

[Internet Kraken]

Ea James Madden wrote...



If you answer any of this answer What reasons do the Geth have to reach a peaceful solution with the Quarians?

So they aren't trying to kill each other? I'd think that peace would be desirable so they no longer have to worry about the threat of Quarian attack.

[Vaenier]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

I've already stated my thoughts on Cerberus and what I would do if the option had been there.  Long story short, I don't trust Miranda, Jacob, or the rest of the ships crew aside from Chakwas and Joker, as they have both had my life in their hands and saved it.

Doesnt that make you die at the end?

[CmdrFenix83]

Internet Kraken wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Again, he wouldn't have known that if he hadn't been spying on her to begin with. Anything after that is irrelevant. With no reasonable reason, he decided to go snooping around and scanned her omni-tool data. Spy. Traitor to my crew. Executed on the spot.

So what, you think Shepard doesn't brief the crew on what he did during his missions?

Crew member: Shepard, what were you doing for the last 5 hours?
Shepard: Oh you know.......stuff. By the way, I recently acquired a bunch of new technology you can use to upgrade your weapons and armor. But don't ask where I got it from.

It's reasonable to assume that your crew learns what happens during your missions without having to be there.

And everyone totally trusts the new Geth on board and tells him all about this, right?  Not a single individual condones your decision to keep Legion, and for good reasons.  The only ones that don't advocate an airlock or leaving him on the derelict Reaper only suggest taking him to give Cerberus a toy to study.  *No one* advocates turning him back on.  That's just stupid to assume people would give him information about the events on the Alarei.  Any information he would have learned about the event would have had to be stolen.  Period.

[Bucky_McLachlan]

Why respond to posts from people who clearly have poor cognitive function?

[Vaenier]

Racism. Its such an ugly thing to see. I am sorry for you.

[Spartas Husky]

u all are evil people... lol

[CmdrFenix83]

Xaijin wrote...

Have to kill Zaeed (cameras)too, along with everyone but Garrus and... Tali and Mordin. Yep that's a full crew.

Garrus, Tali, Mordin, Samara(She fits within my crew perfectly, actually), Joker(you know you can trust him after the events of ME1), and Chakwas(same as Joker).  Yes.  Then go get reinstated in the Alliance after you Spectre status is back.  Get a crew assigned to you from Hackett, Anderson, or even the Council, seeing as you just handed over dozens of terrorists to C-Sec.

Zaeed, Thane, Grunt, and Jack would never have been recruited in the first place.  Now there's no reason for Ashley not to be reassigned to us either, and she's proven herself loyal to Shepard as well. 

[CmdrFenix83]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...
Right then. I think it's pretty clear that the real problem here is that you have formed unhealthy attachments to a video game.

Just gonna ignore your posts from here on out, I recommend that everyone else do the same.

In other words, you have no way to dispute my post and are attempting to save face.  Thanks for playing, Legion fanboy.

[Nightwriter]

No one on your ship trusts each other. They are all prone to snoopiness. You have to teach them to trust before they'll learn they don't HAVE to snoop on each other.



Don't hate on Legion. He felt like he had to snoop, and he was right, wasn't he?

[Xaijin]

No dude, Samara says she'll KILL YOU. Under your criteria that doesn't work. Under your criteria you have to shoot her right then and there.

[Gavinthelocust]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

Why respond to posts from people who clearly have poor cognitive function?

Because I am a nerd and I love showing off my useless knowlage to red necks and little kids who probably think that every other country is out to get them. Namingly CmdrFenix.

Modifié par Gavinthelocust, 01 avril 2010 - 02:25 .