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[AM50]

Unata wrote...

Why is neurotic, mentally unstable Veetor the only one in Mass Effect to remember to turn on his Omnitool to record things?

Its one of those things when you see somebody fall or do something stupid. You are too engrossed to remember to record it and by the time you remember, its too late.

[Nightwriter]

casedawgz wrote...

Another one that's bugged me: Wilson's motivations for sabotaging the facility? Never explained. Never even touched upon. Ever. Were they just unable to think of a more salient way to kick the game off with gunfights and explosions?

Shhhh. You weren't supposed to notice that.

Now Bioware is embarrassed:

[Jobrill]

I'm pretty sure Wilson wasn't the Saboteur, and one of the reasons Miranda killed him so quickly (and planted suspicious-sounding personal log entries from Wilson where Shepard could stumble on them) was so that the truth wouldn't come out.

[GuardianAngel470]

Vaenier wrote...

Dumb Luck.

A real plothole is why the Asari Councilor hasnt Vulcun mind melded with Shep to see the visions for herself.

That is a really good point.

[phordicus]

Vaenier wrote...

Dumb Luck.

A real plothole is why the Asari Councilor hasnt Vulcun mind melded with Shep to see the visions for herself.

besides the issue of interpretation which i don't care about, the asari mind link is more like sex than some kind of mental LAN connection.  look at the asari in game and how they lust after shepard because of it:  liara, the consort, shiala.  they all get the hots because it's like foreplay not telepathy.

Modifié par phordicus, 01 avril 2010 - 07:03 .

[Dreykov]

Unata wrote...

Why is neurotic, mentally unstable Veetor the only one in Mass Effect to remember to turn on his Omnitool to record things?

Clearly this means Omni-Tools cause insanity.

[GuardianAngel470]

phordicus wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Dumb Luck.

A real plothole is why the Asari Councilor hasnt Vulcun mind melded with Shep to see the visions for herself.

besides the issue of interpretation which i don't care about, the asari mind link is more like sex than some kind of mental LAN connection.  look at the asari in game and how they lust after shepard because of it:  liara, the consort, shiala.  they all get the hots because it's like foreplay not telepathy.

Now, there is no clear connection there, and if it were really like that why would Liara, a newcomer who is completely socially inept, offer to do it to shepard as if it is nothing?  Doesn't make much sense.

[GuardianAngel470]

Dreykov wrote...

Unata wrote...

Why is neurotic, mentally unstable Veetor the only one in Mass Effect to remember to turn on his Omnitool to record things?

Clearly this means Omni-Tools cause insanity.

Yes, just like plasmids.

[Iokastos]

meh... ME2 writers are amateurs compared to the other Bioware colleagues (Gaider & co)

There are plotholes everywhere!

[TheLostGenius]

 They have magical powers that enable them to escape the Seeker Swarm's freeze. It's called biotics. Deal with it.

[Pauravi]

This is not a plot hole, only something you find unlikely for whatever reason. Only a third of the colony was taken, we don't know for sure how systematic the Collectors were being (or even what their system was if they were), and the Collectors had to take off in a hurry when they were being fired upon unexpectedly. There are any number of reasons that things could have happened this way. If it were actually a plot hole there wouldn't be any plausible answer at all.

[JazmanX]

A wiza-- beat me to it.

[SimonTheFrog]

You meet this guy in the garage. I always wondered what the collectors do with the swarms in colonies that have buildings without open doors and windows... like... most of them. 
Ah... collecting can be hard work....

Edit: typo

Modifié par SimonTheFrog, 01 avril 2010 - 10:47 .

[brain_damage]

They have a name. Lilith didn't have one when she was abducted, we found about it later.

[phordicus]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Now, there is no clear connection there, and if it were really like that why would Liara, a newcomer who is completely socially inept, offer to do it to shepard as if it is nothing?  Doesn't make much sense.

she's never done it before and her social ineptitude sides nicely with naivete'.  it makes perfect sense, especially to an egghead who thinks everything can be taken analytically.  i'd like to hear something credible about shiala's attraction instead of this constant stream of "no it isn't" from you.  otherwise, save yourself the bother and i'll just assume you disagree.

[gloowacz]

Ablaz3d wrote...

 How did Ashley or Kaiden survive on Horizon when Lilith and all those around here were taken?

I do not see a plot hole?
Collectors took half humans in the colony. Therefore there was 50% chance that she/he would be taken. She/he got lucky






besides:

Saberwolf116 wrote...



Every time you see a plot hole, just remember that.

[The Almighty Ali]

Because Shepard came and interupted the Collectors before they could take all the colonists, thus they remaining by pretty much luck.



Or Bioware figured it was better to have you meet them there then at the very end.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

smudboy wrote...

ME2's story is mediocre.

A story that doesn't have plot holes: a well written one.

Cute. But also wrong. Any time you deal in absolute statements (such as this one), you risk being reemed. "Well-written" is synonymous with no plot holes? Are you joking?

So you're saying in all of ME1 there is not a single plot hole simply because your weak mind may have been unable to locate them? By your logic, if someone were to find a single plot hole anywhere in the game, then ME1 is not well-written either, is it? Unfortunately, when you create a universe/plot on the scale which Bioware has, the likelihood of plot holes increases. Try thinking next time before you spew crap like this.

[rhistel]

smudboy wrote...

ME2's story is mediocre.

A story that doesn't have plot holes: a well written one.

 I'm not quite sure if there exists a story, without a single plot hole (or at least something that can be perceived as one, because even the fact that some part of the story is or is not a plot hole is usually a matter of opinion).

However I do think that someone already coined a formula which perfectly fits this and many other plot discussions (a.k.a. bashing the plot) here. The formula is called "suspension of disbelief". To briefly explain it: you either liked the plot enough to overlook its limitations (and/or the limitations of the medium used to convey it) or you didn't and will bash/criticize it for being inconsistent/mediocre/downright silly  and there is no argument that can convince you to think otherwise. End of story.

[Gabey5]

FACEPALM.... that isnt a plot ole

[FenixFire]

rhistel wrote...

smudboy wrote...

ME2's story is mediocre.

A story that doesn't have plot holes: a well written one.

 I'm not quite sure if there exists a story, without a single plot hole (or at least something that can be perceived as one, because even the fact that some part of the story is or is not a plot hole is usually a matter of opinion).

However I do think that someone already coined a formula which perfectly fits this and many other plot discussions (a.k.a. bashing the plot) here. The formula is called "suspension of disbelief". To briefly explain it: you either liked the plot enough to overlook its limitations (and/or the limitations of the medium used to convey it) or you didn't and will bash/criticize it for being inconsistent/mediocre/downright silly  and there is no argument that can convince you to think otherwise. End of story.

+5 respect point gained.

I actually never thought about the issue that hard. The only thing that could have been weird is the fact that Ashley/Kaiden broke free for her/his paralyzed state, but reaper swarms only inject temporary poisons giving the Collectors enough time to put them in pods (For example: Lilith can move while she is in the pod at the end thus proving the poison in only temporary).

Anyway, like rhistel said, every story has plot holes. You just need to look past em. Else we might start questioning just about everything (For example: How did Legion end up on the dead Reaper by his own? Where did the dead Reaper come from? Why didn't anyone ever notice it before if it has been drifting there for millions of years? Etc...)

[Chuck_Vu]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

smudboy wrote...

ME2's story is mediocre.

A story that doesn't have plot holes: a well written one.

Cute. But also wrong. Any time you deal in absolute statements (such as this one), you risk being reemed. "Well-written" is synonymous with no plot holes? Are you joking?

So you're saying in all of ME1 there is not a single plot hole simply because your weak mind may have been unable to locate them? By your logic, if someone were to find a single plot hole anywhere in the game, then ME1 is not well-written either, is it? Unfortunately, when you create a universe/plot on the scale which Bioware has, the likelihood of plot holes increases. Try thinking next time before you spew crap like this.

Read it again.  No where does he even mention ME 1.  I think you owe him an apology.

[DarthCaine]

The game does have plot holes (some were explained in cut content), but this isn't one of them

The Collectors only took half the colony

[cj3style]

Vaenier wrote...


A real plothole is why the Asari Councilor hasnt Vulcun mind melded with Shep to see the visions for herself.

^THIS^

you make a very good point, shes an ignorant b***h

[Raanz]

Vaenier wrote...

Dumb Luck.

A real plothole is why the Asari Councilor hasnt Vulcun mind melded with Shep to see the visions for herself.

QFT