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[SithLordExarKun]

What do you guys think? Initially i thought he was the true enemy in awakenings but he suddenly for whatever reason wants to stop the blights by "freeing" his brethen and wanted the Commanders help.

Any thoughts?

[Giltspur]

It isn't clear to me. He seems more amoral to me than anything else. Though my mage tends to be merciful--more than he should be perhaps--he ended up killing the Architect because he felt that he felt the Architect would not hesitate to betray him if it suited him. In other words, the Architect was too lacking a sense of empathy and compassion to trusted with power and, well, life. A pretty brutal judgment. But ultimately that's the judgment that was made.



Now I keep saying mage instead of "I" because if I'd been there, I would have asked the Architect more questions than the game allowed.

[jpdipity]

It's not clear.



Personally, I believe that the Architect's motives are sincere and he believes are good, but how he plans on acheiving his goal is unacceptable.

[Nerdage]

Call me single-minded but I didn't give him much of a chance to explain before attacking him. I'm pretty sure that he is actually evil in the sense that the lives of others hold little concern to him, but regarding his plan as a whole I guess it depends how you look at it.

[Mr.DriftingDreamer]

He is a darkspawn. I am a Grey Warden. Grey Wardens kill darkspawn. The Grey Wardens will end the Blights by killing the last two Old Gods when they rise.

[Crixt]

Seems neutral evil.  Saw no reason to kill him.

Modifié par Crixt, 01 avril 2010 - 03:44 .

[Chasseresse]

I decided he was evil and killed him. My Warden could see no positive outcome in allowing him to live and carry out his plans. "Freed" darkspawn and people coexisting peacefully? Hah. So there wouldn't be any more blights like the 5 Thedas has experienced, but don't you think for one moment that there will not be other major problems with the monsters-now with the ability to think for themselves!-out and about.

[SithLordExarKun]

Honestly how did he "accidentally" awakened the old god(uthemiel?) that caused a blight? I did spare him, but only because i thought he was sincere though i don't like the idea of him using gray warden blood to "free his people".



That being said there may be a good part to it as the messenger(if you spare him) isn't a savage beast that murders any human being he see's and actually helps them out.

[Patriciachr34]

It seems to me that thinking darkspawn will only create a perpetual blight as some will still try and remove all human life (constant surface raids as opposed to only during blight). They will be harder to eliminate as they will learn to fight us and definitely be more organized. And, whose to say that they won't taint one of the remaining old gods for one reason or another. Plus, I can't shake the feeling that the Architect has some other insidious plan in mind (remember Senator Palpatine a.k.a. the Sith Lord). Although he is trying to convince you that he has noble intentions, I just don't buy it. He's up to something and its better to end it now than wait until he becomes a much bigger threat. Plus, he's a darkspawn. All darkspawn must die!

[SithLordExarKun]

Well Senator Palpatine and the Architect have vast different ideologies, Palpatine always wanted the sith to dominate the galaxy while the architect doesn't want the darkspawn getting called by the old gods and causing trouble.



We don't exactly know his true intentions but the epilogue did mention that ifyou spared him, he kept his word keeping his brethen from causing anymore trouble.

[Patriciachr34]

I just don't buy it. He's up to something. He's got his own agenda and is simply biding his time until he can implement his plan. He may have good intentions for "his" people, but what will that cost the rest of us. We are incidental. When we get in the way, we will be eliminated.

[Raiil]

It's... relative, I think. He is not the epitome of evil. I believe that he is too much of a danger to be allowed to live.

[AntiChri5]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Honestly how did he "accidentally" awakened the old god(uthemiel?) that caused a blight? I did spare him, but only because i thought he was sincere though i don't like the idea of him using gray warden blood to "free his people".

That being said there may be a good part to it as the messenger(if you spare him) isn't a savage beast that murders any human being he see's and actually helps them out.

And also infects them with the blight.

Darkspawn cannot co-exist with another species. Making them smart is NOT a good thing.

[Srau]

architect + mother = darkspawn
darkspawn = bad
sentient darkspawn = VERY bad

so

architect + mother = very bad, to be anihilated

Modifié par Srau, 01 avril 2010 - 04:49 .

[SithLordExarKun]

AntiChri5 wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Honestly how did he "accidentally" awakened the old god(uthemiel?) that caused a blight? I did spare him, but only because i thought he was sincere though i don't like the idea of him using gray warden blood to "free his people".

That being said there may be a good part to it as the messenger(if you spare him) isn't a savage beast that murders any human being he see's and actually helps them out.

And also infects them with the blight.

Darkspawn cannot co-exist with another species. Making them smart is NOT a good thing.

I don't think he intentionally infected anyone with the blight disease. If you have a deadly flu virus can you ensure that no one else will get it from you? Doubt so honestly.

I don't think they can co-exist with society but i am sure that those "awakened" and have the ability to think can co exist with one another. Since i finished Awakenings i personally believe that the sentient Darkspawn aren't as ruthless or tyrannical as the werewolves(seeing that the only thing they wish to do is murder every unlucky bugger they come across and unlike the "unwakened" darkspawn, they have a sentience). Not even the architect or the messenger wished to murder every other species they see.

Sure, there will be a bunch of sentient darkspawn trouble making scum that want to invade other lands and murder all those who cross thier paths, but which species is not guilty of this? The tevinter enslaving the elves, orlais conquering and brutally murdering unarmed civilians, the qunari waging war against all of thedas...


The real problem is even if the architect did manage to free all the darkspawn he can, who is going to govern these creatures? That along is already a problem considering one creature can't control so many other people.

[Efesell]

I don't find him to be particularly evil and I'm sparing him every time.

[wcholcombe]

well from the calling, his eventual plan is too turn all humans into darkspawn and thereby end the conflict, which to me seems pretty danged evil.

[drvaughn1999]

Srau wrote...

architect + mother = darkspawn
darkspawn = bad
sentient darkspawn = VERY bad

so

architect + mother = very bad, to be anihilated

It was easy for me, he is a darkspawn, kill him.  On top of that he need Grey Warden blood to free his people, another reason to kill him.

[Serissia]

I believe he's mentioned in the books. I haven't read them yet but I believe he's presented as being much more evil in them than the game. I killed him personally. I can't see any good coming from sentient darkspawn.

[Srau]

The real problem is that darkspawns rely on other species to reproduce.

So far we have no hint at all that a broodmother can spawn another broodmother thus making kidnapping then tainting other races females their only option to have *fresh blood*.

It is like Vampires vs Humans or Aliens vs Humans : to them we are nothing more than raw material for their reproduction, making it a total war for survival.

I know for one i would not live with another specie that could use (and turn into a monster) my daughter as a "biological" breeding machine, i would just shoot them on sight til either one is dead.

And the architect being sentient and pushing for all darkspawns to become sentients is making thing worse, even more since he needs Grey Warden Blood to do so, because a sentient prey is much harder to hunt than a non sentient one.

[smore006]

wcholcombe wrote...

well from the calling, his eventual plan is too turn all humans into darkspawn and thereby end the conflict, which to me seems pretty danged evil.

This.
He wouldn't hesitate to kill the half of the human population of Thedas and make the rest similar to what Utha is and worse.
Deserves no mercy.

SithLordExarKun wrote...
I don't think he intentionally infected anyone with the blight disease. If you have a deadly flu virus can you ensure that no one else will get it from you? Doubt so honestly.

Oh, he did, he very much did. He misleads and manipulates everyone else in order to achieve his goal.
If one cannot be convinced or mislead, he will kill. Duncan, Cailan and Fiona (the heroes of The Calling) barely escaped with their lives.

As someone else mentioned earlier, sentient darkspawn = very bad.

Modifié par smore006, 01 avril 2010 - 06:06 .

[Efesell]

A plan that he's pretty much looked back on and said "No wait.. that's really stupid."

[SithLordExarKun]

smore006 wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...

well from the calling, his eventual plan is too turn all humans into darkspawn and thereby end the conflict, which to me seems pretty danged evil.

This.
He wouldn't hesitate to kill the half of the human population of Thedas and make the rest similar to what Utha is and worse.
Deserves no mercy.

SithLordExarKun wrote...
I don't think he intentionally infected anyone with the blight disease. If you have a deadly flu virus can you ensure that no one else will get it from you? Doubt so honestly.

Oh, he did, he very much did. He misleads and manipulates everyone else in order to achieve his goal.
If one cannot be convinced or mislead, he will kill. Duncan, Cailan and Fiona (the heroes of The Calling) barely escaped with their lives.

As someone else mentioned earlier, sentient darkspawn = very bad.

I was referring to the messenger actually. I think this is biowares way of telling us that not all darkspawn are mindless beasts that will murder everything they see.

Though that you bring up about the calling, the architect may be manipulative for his own agenda. It could be likely he changed his stance by DAA or just wants a temporary ceasefire with the wardens.
Then again we will never know as his character was never really fleshed out in the game.

[Ifandbut01]

Mr.DriftingDreamer wrote...

He is a darkspawn. I am a Grey Warden. Grey Wardens kill darkspawn. The Grey Wardens will end the Blights by killing the last two Old Gods when they rise.

A Grey Warden's job is to stop the Blights. That can be done by killing the Old Gods or by curing the Dark Spawn of their need to wake the Old Gods. The Architect wants to stop the Blights by curing the Dark Spawn and the Grey  Wardens will be on the surface in case he fails.

My Grey Warden is a City Elf. I made every effort to free my people, I even apointed Shianni the Bann of the Alienage. So, I can sympathize with the Architect's goal of freeing his people.

We know that some people are resistant to the blight (those who survive the joining) so yes, if Dark Spawn started living with other races some will become infected but not all. Maybe when the Dark Spawn are free they will turn their attention to curing the blight sickness once and for all.

If all else fails, at least Free Dark Spawn will not be a mindless horde bent on destruction. They could be negotiated with.

[Walina]

I didn't read the book so I can't say he was 100% evil but I disliked how he was doing his things because it's him who made the mother berserk and it's him who atacked the Fort at the begiging of the game just to be able to kidnap warden and you even saw some corpes in his lab that have been tortured.



Not to mention how he let his minions to fool Velanna.



So, I will make a second playthrough with my Dalish elf who will let himlive but my HNF just killed him and I am satisfied with that :3