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[Major Truth]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

I even miss and see Ashley Williams put her hand on her weapon, I'll blow a smoking hole through her N7 chest plate. Horizon was bad enough!

not really sure what you mean here? You think Ash/Kaiden could betray Shepard ?

[JPXD]

I could see, depending on how your Shepard dealt with TIM and the Collector Base at the end of the game (as well as loyalty), Miranda "betraying" the crew for Cerberus and working as a double agent. I mean Cerberus is the organization that helped/is helping protect her sister and her family.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Major Truth wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

I even miss and see Ashley Williams put her hand on her weapon, I'll blow a smoking hole through her N7 chest plate. Horizon was bad enough!

not really sure what you mean here? You think Ash/Kaiden could betray Shepard ?

A bit extreeme, I know but I was re-acting to someone's suggestion that it could happen... and you know depending on who has control over the writing... you could very well make her do so and it would be very realistic and plausible.

Let us look at it hypothetically.

Seems to me that there is in-fighting with the Alliance military about Shepard --- and that Anderson and Hackett are pretty much on Sheps side behind the scenes but as you read in the e-mail, there is already some secret ops group that wants to track, detain, and interrogate/jail him.  

Why not put that in a DLC perhaps? Or even part of ME3?  I can see it --- and using  Ashley as the  " bag man" shall we say. Since she's pro-alliance  ( She said it herself that the mission will come first than anything). Who is to say this loyalty can manifest itself into a covert operation to get Shepard in the hands of  Alliance " CIA"  types? 

Think of the action/story oppertunity here?  Perhaps she used as a pawn by being fed faulty information by superiors who don't agree with Adm Hackett/Anderson.  She can say --- sudddenly turn against them and fight with Shepard to spring him out of a prison or out of a carefully planned trap.  

You can spin this two ways.  She dies while helping you and  Shepard kicks everyone's butts and takes names.

or

She lives and becomes Shepard's rouge crew.   Either way its a great story branch eh? Espionage,  the " villian" that wasn't present in ME2 with some  Third Echolon type war monger.  Oh by the way --- this can work for Kaiden as well. 

Modifié par MrnDvlDg161, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:18 .

[Major Truth]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

I even miss and see Ashley Williams put her hand on her weapon, I'll blow a smoking hole through her N7 chest plate. Horizon was bad enough!

not really sure what you mean here? You think Ash/Kaiden could betray Shepard ?

A bit extreeme, I know but I was re-acting to someone's suggestion that it could happen... and you know depending on who has control over the writing... you could very well make her do so and it would be very realistic and plausible.

Let us look at it hypothetically.

Seems to me that there is in-fighting with the Alliance military about Shepard --- and that Anderson and Hackett are pretty much on Sheps side behind the scenes but as you read in the e-mail, there is already some secret ops group that wants to track, detain, and interrogate/jail him.  

Why not put that in a DLC perhaps? Or even part of ME3?  I can see it --- and using  Ashley as the  " bag man" shall we say. Since she's pro-alliance  ( She said it herself that the mission will come first than anything). Who is to say this loyalty can manifest itself into a covert operation to get Shepard in the hands of  Alliance " CIA"  types? 

Think of the action/story oppertunity here?  Perhaps she used as a pawn by being fed faulty information by superiors who don't agree with Adm Hackett/Anderson.  She can say --- sudddenly turn against them and fight with Shepard to spring him out of a prison or out of a carefully planned trap.  

You can spin this two ways.  She dies while helping you and  Shepard kicks everyone's butts and takes names.

or

She lives and becomes Shepard's rouge crew.   Either way its a great story branch eh?

Its certainly possible, Ash makes no secret of the fact that the alliance is "in her blood" and I can't see her refusing to follow an order

[MrnDvlDg161]

Major Truth wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

I even miss and see Ashley Williams put her hand on her weapon, I'll blow a smoking hole through her N7 chest plate. Horizon was bad enough!

not really sure what you mean here? You think Ash/Kaiden could betray Shepard ?

A bit extreeme, I know but I was re-acting to someone's suggestion that it could happen... and you know depending on who has control over the writing... you could very well make her do so and it would be very realistic and plausible.

Let us look at it hypothetically.

Seems to me that there is in-fighting with the Alliance military about Shepard --- and that Anderson and Hackett are pretty much on Sheps side behind the scenes but as you read in the e-mail, there is already some secret ops group that wants to track, detain, and interrogate/jail him.  

Why not put that in a DLC perhaps? Or even part of ME3?  I can see it --- and using  Ashley as the  " bag man" shall we say. Since she's pro-alliance  ( She said it herself that the mission will come first than anything). Who is to say this loyalty can manifest itself into a covert operation to get Shepard in the hands of  Alliance " CIA"  types? 

Think of the action/story oppertunity here?  Perhaps she used as a pawn by being fed faulty information by superiors who don't agree with Adm Hackett/Anderson.  She can say --- sudddenly turn against them and fight with Shepard to spring him out of a prison or out of a carefully planned trap.  

You can spin this two ways.  She dies while helping you and  Shepard kicks everyone's butts and takes names.

or

She lives and becomes Shepard's rouge crew.   Either way its a great story branch eh?

Its certainly possible, Ash makes no secret of the fact that the alliance is "in her blood" and I can't see her refusing to follow an order

Exactly, her bond with Shepard in the end breaks the confines of duty --- and there could be a really intense stand off before  Thane leaps out of a ship-duct... snaps the necks of two  operatives while Grunt/Garris breach the room providing covering fire as Shepard and Ashley do what they do best! 

Then you can have a wall-to-wall heavy shoot out where the Normandy turns its guns and uses thanix cannons to fry a hole in order for the team to leap onto the ramp and get out of dodge.


Bad Villian Guy:   "  We'll get you yet Shepard!" 

Shepard:  Thats Specter to you --- and you won't be getting anything but a ticket to hell you son of a ------

(  Ashely squeezes a lever and the explosives placed in their Mass Effect Engine core ignites --- sending the Alliance Intelegence ship powerless towards the nearest  heavy gravity planet) 

Modifié par MrnDvlDg161, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:29 .

[GnusmasTHX]

I doubt very much Liara would betray Shepard. Her character is fully fleshed out between ME1, the comics, ME2 and LotSB. Nothing would even suggest betrayal. As for the Ardat- Yakshi, she's already melded with Shepard, and it's not something that turns on and off.

Then again, I doubt anyone would betray him. No one has a reason to.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:28 .

[Major Truth]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

as Shepard and Ashley do what they do best! 

Their not gonna do it while theirs a fight going on !

[FlyinElk212]

GnusmasTHX wrote...
Then again, I doubt anyone would betray him. No one has a reason to.

True dat, homie G fries!!

Not only that, but for the Judas analogy to work, Shepard would have to be betrayed by one of his 12 disciples/followers. AKA, the Mass Effect 2 squad. Honestly, I don't see ANY of those 12 betraying him.

The only real possibilities I see are Ash/Kaidan, but even THAT won't be so much a betrayal as it is a difference of opinion.

[Major Truth]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

I doubt very much Liara would betray Shepard. Her character is fully fleshed out between ME1, the comics, ME2 and LotSB. Nothing would even suggest betrayal. As for the Ardat- Yakshi, she's already melded with Shepard, and it's not something that turns on and off.

Then again, I doubt anyone would betray him. No one has a reason to.

If Liara was forced to choose between her role as the Sadow Broker or Shepard I would be interested to see what she does

Their is always reasons for betrayal - human nature

[GnusmasTHX]

Major Truth wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

I doubt very much Liara would betray Shepard. Her character is fully fleshed out between ME1, the comics, ME2 and LotSB. Nothing would even suggest betrayal. As for the Ardat- Yakshi, she's already melded with Shepard, and it's not something that turns on and off.

Then again, I doubt anyone would betray him. No one has a reason to.

If Liara was forced to choose between her role as the Sadow Broker or Shepard I would be interested to see what she does

Their is always reasons for betrayal - human nature

That's not betrayal... It's within her right to complete distance herself from Shepard if she wanted, and unless she's misusing her powers as the SB, she still isn't even an enemy. I don't see why that choice would even come up, though. She can be the SB with Shepard, as we've already seen.
 Liara would have to want something that would adversely affect Shepard, nothing I can foresee.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:44 .

[Birko19]

I think after Liara becoming the Shadow Broker, she has the best plot and power to betray Shepard, but I don't think any of Shepard's LI's from ME1 will betray him/her due to what BioWare said, so none of Liara or Ashley/Kaiden.

I also can't see Garrus, Tali, Wrex, Grunt, Mordin, Thane, or Joker doing it either, their personalities are too weak for such role.

Zaeed and Kasumi are too unimportant for such roles, and Jack might seem like she would do that, I just think it would make a weak plot since she's better suited to be a soft heart in a hard ass body, that's a better role for her.

Miranda and Jack are the only two I could see betraying you and making an interesting plot, they're part of Cerberus and the Illusive Man has proven to be untrustworthy, but then again them betraying you kind of seems not so surprising, so the only real surprising strong plot for betrayal would come from a ME1 love interest, which I don't think BioWare will do.

[ERJAK2]

Major Truth wrote...

As Mass effect is a trilogy and an epic one at that, I would be surprised if their isn't a betrayel or two along the way. Just wondering who everyone thinks are the characters that are most likey to betray shephard and the characters they most definitely do not want to see betray Shephard

For me:

Most Likely:

* Liara - For me something just isn't right with her. From historian to information dealer their seems to be a huge change in her character from ME1 to ME2. Also the fact that she is a "pure blood" leaves the door open for an Ardat - Yakshi storyline

* Ashley - She's so pro Alliance I could see her feeling duty bound to follow orders regardless of the impact to Shephard. Not exactly a betrayal but a clash non the less

* Jack/Miranda - Dependent on the decisions you made in ME2 I could see one of these two becoming bitter and seeking revenge on Shephard


Least Likely:

* Wrex/Grunt - Logically because they are Krogan these two would be the first you would expect to turn their back on Shephard if it suited them, but thats exactly why I don't think it would happen, its just too obvious

* Tali: "Why Tali, Why" - I have to admit I would be gutted if Tali turned on Shephard. A LI for some and a geeky little sister to others Tali has been a constant in the Mass Effect series, and by far the most loyal squadmate to Shephard. 

My own pick:

* Garrus - I've said it on here before, Shephard and Garrus are very similar, only Shephard is a more successful Garrus. I just think that Garrus could grow to become resentful and jealous of Shephard for enough for him to turn on him  

Liara already melds with shepard several times even if not romanced. it is impossible to be an ardat yakshi. Also I assume you did not play lir of the shadow broker.

[Chuvvy]

Let's follow the betrayers thought process. Oh crap the reapers are coming to wipe out the entire galactic civilization. A galactic civilization I'm apart of. I better kill the only person that's been successful in putting a stop to them.

[Chuvvy]

ERJAK2 wrote...
 Also I assume you did not play lir of the shadow broker.

The post was made six months ago.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Major Truth wrote...

As Mass effect is a trilogy and an epic one at that, I would be surprised if their isn't a betrayel or two along the way. Just wondering who everyone thinks are the characters that are most likey to betray shephard and the characters they most definitely do not want to see betray Shephard

For me:

Most Likely:

* Liara - For me something just isn't right with her. From historian to information dealer their seems to be a huge change in her character from ME1 to ME2. Also the fact that she is a "pure blood" leaves the door open for an Ardat - Yakshi storyline

First off I think it's safe to say that Liara is NOT an Ardat-Yakshi because she would have killed Shepard when they made love in ME1 and/or at the end of TLotSB. Second I don't think she would ever betray Shepard on purpose. She did save Shepard's life in comic book series.  

* Ashley - She's so pro Alliance I could see her feeling duty bound to follow orders regardless of the impact to Shephard. Not exactly a betrayal but a clash non the less

Maybe. I would love to see a DLC or an expansion pack that would feature Ash or Kaiden (depending on who lived in the first game) becoming a Spectre and their first mission is too hunt down Shepard to the machinations of the Illusive Man and Cerberus.  

If anyone were to betray Shepard it would be The Illusive Man, since if you blow the Collector's Base and tell him off and he seems to be kind of a guy to hold a grudge and even use it to suit his needs like in Mass Effect: Retubition novel.

[JamieCOTC]

Boo, the Space Hamster Reaper. He's the mole.

[crimzontearz]

anyone could really...Tali could betray you under order of Daro Xen, Garrus could betray you because the turian government tells him to...Liara's new power could get to her head and so on.



I hope it is handled like zevran in Dragon Age...I hate arbitrary squad betrayals

[tonnactus]

Better question would be,if shepardt would have a reason to join the reapers at the end.

[Moondoggie]

The only betrayal i can see myself feeling it's relevent to the story is either Udina or the Turian Councilor. Both of them seem to have it in for you and seem against your approach so either of them might be willing to side with somebody against you and sabotage you. Heck it was probably Udina who suggested getting rid of all the stuff you set up to stop the Reapers so he could be working with them to save his ass already.

[Zan51]

Jacob. I don't trust him, never have. The whole Lazarus Station was too convenient as was his part in it.  He's also too much of a brown nose who then rages off at Thane and disses Tali when I recruit them! People HIS boss said to recruit! Plus his loyalty mission is the only one with an unchangeable bad ending that matters. (Zaeed is a DLC character so doesn't count) You saw how his father had perverted his position on the ship, caused deaths and murdered people, and raped the women. You saw Jacob's father being exposed for what he was, in front of Jacob. Could be enough.. And unlike Miranda, he did NOT resign from Cerberus!

Modifié par Zan51, 16 septembre 2010 - 11:21 .

[MrnDvlDg161]

Major Truth wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

as Shepard and Ashley do what they do best! 

Their not gonna do it while theirs a fight going on !

LoL!!!

I didn't say THAT!  i mean Fighting! 

Get your mind out of the gutter! 

[MrnDvlDg161]

Wait a min...



Who really did resign? Neither of them did so.

[_purifico_]

I honestly don't think anyone is betraying Shep come ME3. Why would they? They have a hoard of Reapers to take care of.

It's interesting how a person described as "the loyalist" is number one candidate for betraying Shepard =) Although that probably means that she is loyal to Cerberus, not Shepard. Speaking of Miranda - her Fight for the lost movie always made me laugh. She states that Shepard will have to earn her loyalty. Who does she think she is and why the **** does she think that Shepard needs her or her loyalty? He's Shepard! He erases data like her on his way to real errors) Plus, it's not like she's super-important to the plot or anything...

Modifié par _purifico_, 17 septembre 2010 - 12:05 .

[Skyblade012]

Major Truth wrote...

As Mass effect is a trilogy and an epic one at that, I would be surprised if their isn't a betrayel or two along the way. Just wondering who everyone thinks are the characters that are most likey to betray shephard and the characters they most definitely do not want to see betray Shephard

For me:

Most Likely:

* Liara - For me something just isn't right with her. From historian to information dealer their seems to be a huge change in her character from ME1 to ME2. Also the fact that she is a "pure blood" leaves the door open for an Ardat - Yakshi storyline

Liara's switch to information dealer is perfectly understandable.  Her driving interest in both was her thirst for knowledge.  She was always exploring the universe, seeking truths, uncovering knowledge.  That fits in perfectly with her as an information broker.
Besides, Asari can frequently change perspective and job like that.  There are more than a few strippers who became mercs.  And that's just during the Maiden stage.

And, despite your insistence that Tali is completely devoted to Shepard, you seem to miss that Liara is just as much so, if not more.  Neither one abandoned their current objective to immediately join up with Shepard, but both thought of Shepard during the two years Shepard was dead.  But which one of them risked everything for a chance to bring Shepard back?

Also, Liara being a pureblood has nothing to do with whether or not she is an Ardat-Yakshi.  Matriarch Benezia would have to be a pureblood to give Liara a chance at becoming an Ardat-Yakshi, and we don't know what her lineage is.  Liara's children might be, however.

* Ashley - She's so pro Alliance I could see her feeling duty bound to follow orders regardless of the impact to Shephard. Not exactly a betrayal but a clash non the less

My Shepard is also extremely pro-Alliance.  If we're forced into conflict because the writers won't let us abandon Cerberus, I'll be upset.

* Jack/Miranda - Dependent on the decisions you made in ME2 I could see one of these two becoming bitter and seeking revenge on Shephard

Jack, I doubt.  She just doesn't care enough.
Miranda, however, is probably the largest possibility, as TIM would exploit her sister in a second to keep her working for him, and the potential is there that she would betray Shepard over her sister.


Least Likely:

* Wrex/Grunt - Logically because they are Krogan these two would be the first you would expect to turn their back on Shephard if it suited them, but thats exactly why I don't think it would happen, its just too obvious

Betrayal from either is unlikely.  At least, not from a backstabby sense.  But Grunt definitely wants to go toe-to-toe with Shepard at some point, and mentions it a couple times.  A duel may be forthcoming, but not a betrayal.  You'll get plenty of warning.  Krogan aren't the most...subtle of individuals.

[HazelrahFiver]

It would actually be extremely interesting is no matter what someone betrayed Shepard. The character could change dependent upon decisions made in the second game. It would be greatest if they were influenced similarly to Saren and had to take the option in order to -insert reason appropriate for character-

For example, as mentioned: Thane comes to realize that he can live with the Reaper synthetic-grafting and desperately wants to because he has reclaimed his son.



It almost seems impossible that we will actually be fighting the Reapers when playing as Shepard, since they are gigantic ship-size machines. So, much like in the first game, I can think of no better final boss then having to kill a formerly loyal teammate.