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[Atomic_Boom22]

*Sigh* Have you played ME2 start to finish?

[Zan51]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Wait a min...

Who really did resign? Neither of them did so.

Yep,  when my FemShep says to TIM she is blowing up the Collector base, he orders Miranda to see Shep doesn't do that. Miranda then says, "Take this as my resignation," and cuts the connection which is on her Omnitool.
Miranda was Loyal to my FemShep, who didn't romance anyone this game as Kaidan is her LI.

[stewie1974]

The entire team become indoctrinated and turn on you, and your paragon /renegade score has to be enormous to talk them out of it..

Paragon they kill themselves.
Renegade they kill themselves.

Neither you kill them.... or have to try with an epic battle on your hands.

Modifié par stewie1974, 17 septembre 2010 - 03:05 .

[CShep25]

Legion. He may not be orthodox geth at all. Perhaps he sent you to rewrite/destroy the regular innocent geth and has been lying from the start. There has been no conclusive proof to what Legion has claimed so its possible. Plus, in the Shadow Broker vids, Legion gets hit by a beam of light when accessing that console on the derelict reaper. Maybe he got reaper-hacked and this whole time he's been an agent of the reapers.

[Shadow_broker]

Miranda won't betray Shepard, This much should be obvious. She is a loyalist to shepard, chooses him over cerebrus despite having her loyalty or not.

Liara for LOTSB reasons
Tali if it comes to something that will damage the quarians chances at survival
Garrus is a renegade and is likley that he may go against one of shepards paragon "Save civilian over kill criminal" orders in a darmatic situation
Jack might go beserk
Samara if your a renegade
Mornith obviously
Zaeed obviously
Thane if you do something evil
Mordin if you do something too risky
Jacob if you do something extreme
Ashley/kadian if it is exteme

Only ones i see completley unlikley of stabbing shep in back no matter the circumstance are Miranda(if you want me to go into further detail on this i will),Grunt,Legion, and kasumi but just because someone betrays shepard dosen't mean it's for the wrong reason (Im sure plenty of the crew would have got in shepards way when he tried to kill samara fo mornith)

Modifié par Shadow_broker, 17 septembre 2010 - 04:12 .

[Gibb_Garrus]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Miranda won't betray Shepard, This much should be obvious. She is a loyalist to shepard, chooses him over cerebrus despite having her loyalty or not.

Liara for LOTSB reasons
Tali if it comes to something that will damage the quarians chances at survival
Garrus is a renegade and is likley that he may go against one of shepards paragon "Save civilian over kill criminal" orders in a darmatic situation
Jack might go beserk
Samara if your a renegade
Mornith obviously
Zaeed obviously
Thane if you do something evil
Mordin if you do something too risky
Jacob if you do something extreme
Ashley/kadian if it is exteme

Only ones i see completley unlikley of stabbing shep in back no matter the circumstance are Miranda(if you want me to go into further detail on this i will),Grunt,Legion, and kasumi but just because someone betrays shepard dosen't mean it's for the wrong reason (Im sure plenty of the crew would have got in shepards way when he tried to kill samara fo mornith)

I think miranda is deifinitely the most likely to betray shepard. Her personality change from "I wanna stick a control chip in shepards brain" to "Shepard is my hero" is way too fast. I really think she's a double agent.

[Mox Ruuga]

- Miranda and Mordin might turn on Shepard, for "the greater good". I don't mean that as an insult, they would probably have good causes. Where they themselves are concerned, that is.

- Grunt and Jack are unpredictable enough to turn on Shep, if he disappoints them badly enough or shows too much weakness.

- Tali could turn on Shep if s/he did something against the quarians, sided with the geth in a bit too major way f.ex. Even if it was "necessary". (see Wrex, genophage cure, Virmire)

- Liara could, theoretically, go bonkers with her new power. I don't think she'd turn on Shep tho...

- Wrex probably wouldn't. If he's alive nowadays, he considers Shep as close a friend as he's ever had. Hell, he sacrificed the possibility of a cure for the Genophage because Shep asked/ordered so...

- Jacob and Garrus are more followers than leaders, at least around Shep. They wouldn't turn on him/her.

- Zaeed totally would, if the price was right (and the cause wasn't something like eating babies, he has SOME standards).

- Legion might, if Shep sided with someone against the geth. Or if the geth reached a new "consensus" that required the elimination of organic life, etc.

- Samara could easily turn against Shep, it might even be canon for Renegades. I'm betting tho, that she'll give a warning in advance, so I'm not sure if its "betrayal" betrayal.

- Kaidan and Ash wouldn't betray Shep. Not unless they were sure s/he had gone over to the dark side unrecoverably.

- Thuna probably wouldn't. He has too little time left to think of such.

- Morinth would, in a heart beat.

[Moiaussi]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Boo, the Space Hamster Reaper. He's the mole.

He's not a mole, he's a Space Hamster. Course if the Normandy gets destroyed again, he could be a .... Space Ghost Hamster!

Hmm... maybe Shepard will be betrayed by Brak?

[scotchtape622]

If there is a traitor in ME3, I am personally guaranteeing that none of the ME2 squadmates will be that traitor.

[Moiaussi]

Joker.

1) He is guaranteed to be alive.

2) He is at least mildly xenophobic, based on some of the comments he makes in game.

3) He is willing to accept Cerberus simply because they gave him a nice pilot's chair (or at least that is the explaination he gives Shepard).

4) Cerberus fixed his legs so he can walk, and, unlike Shepard, Joker might not be considered so essential and they might have been willing put the control chip in him that they didn't want to put in Shepard. It is possible he was promised further 'repairs' to his skeletal structure in exchange for cooperation too.

5) Whenever TIM calls, Joker's loyalty is clearly to TIM instead of Shepard.

6) It gives Seth Green a larger role in ME3. If you don't consider that a reason, consider Joker's solo stint in ME2 despite our not being able to play any of the other characters. Chakwas voice actor would likely have been less expensive, for example. Also consider his gratutious fire support scene while Shepard jumps back to the Normandy. Shouldn't Joker have been at the helm ready to get the Normandy out of there ASAP?

Edit: He could be an easter egg.. the 'Joker' in the deck

Modifié par Moiaussi, 17 septembre 2010 - 07:44 .

[Prince of Kemet]

Miranda: IF you did her loyalty mission and IF you blew up the base, that could possibly equal her betrayal. T.I.M. could take use Oriana against her.

[Moiaussi]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

Miranda: IF you did her loyalty mission and IF you blew up the base, that could possibly equal her betrayal. T.I.M. could take use Oriana against her.

Or you could rescue her again, especially if you convinced Miranda to say hi so that she would know to get a message out.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Legion......duh.

thank you:unsure:

[Zan51]

Joker wasn't needed at the helm because an unshackled EDI IS the Normandy and can fly it. That freed Joker to shoot as back up for Shepard and crew.

[StarcloudSWG]

Why does there have to be a betrayal? I just don't see it.

Given what Bioware *has* said about Mass Effect 2 being the "darkest" part of the trilogy, I don't think there'll be a betrayal of Shepard in Mass Effect 3. 

[LordPennlocke]

I agree with the dozen or so responses that said Indoctrination. IMO, seeing a friend who's been with you since Saren(and/or)the Collector debacle turn on you due to the very threat you're all allied against, would be the most heartwrenching. Odds are it will happen, or it'll happen to a new squadmate in ME3 (could be indoctrinated from the start, wouldn't evoke much emotion though). The least likely character it would happen to based on the lore would be Samara, since asari biotics have superior willpower, as well as Samara's powers can rival those of Matriarchs (of which it took Benezia quite awhile to fall prey to Sovereign).

Modifié par LordPennlocke, 17 septembre 2010 - 09:15 .

[Breakdown Boy]

Isn't obvious? It will be Udina.

[HazelrahFiver]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Isn't obvious? It will be Udina.

That barely feels like a betrayel.  Hell, he has been basically against Shepard from the start and throughout, except in those specific moments when s/he made him look good.  Another example of him denying Shepard or cancelling a mission would not feel like anything except a desire to mash through the conversation.
Of course, if you mean he will become Reaper indoctrinated, that's a different story.  It also seems highly unlikely that he would play that important of a role.

[JPXD]

HazelrahFiver wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Isn't obvious? It will be Udina.

That barely feels like a betrayel.  Hell, he has been basically against Shepard from the start and throughout, except in those specific moments when s/he made him look good.  Another example of him denying Shepard or cancelling a mission would not feel like anything except a desire to mash through the conversation.
Of course, if you mean he will become Reaper indoctrinated, that's a different story.  It also seems highly unlikely that he would play that important of a role.

I'm pretty sure Breakdown meant that as a joke...

I've still got my money on Miranda under the condition that you LOST her loyalty (as in sided with Jack during their argument) and you screwed over TIM. Cerberus is the reason why her sister can live a normal life, and if she feels personally betrayed by Shepard I don't think it unreasonable for her to return to Cerberus for the "greater good".

[Moiaussi]

Zan51 wrote...

Joker wasn't needed at the helm because an unshackled EDI IS the Normandy and can fly it. That freed Joker to shoot as back up for Shepard and crew.

I rest my case.. isn't the reason he signed with Cerberus mostly so he could still fly? If EDI takes over his duties....

[nelly21]

I don't know if anyone will betray Shep but I could see a definite clash with the Virmire Survivor coming.

We have to keep in mind that at this point we are seeing definite negatives from both the Council and the Alliance concerning Shep. The Cerberus Daily News article is opening the possibility that the Council has wanted to arrest Shep since the Citadel battle. Even if that isn't true, we know they've wanted to marginalize him since Sovereign's attack.

Then there's the Alliance wanting to arrest Shep and interrogate him. It seems only Anderson and Hackett are standing in the way of that.

I think a major clash is coming with the Virmire Survivor. They are clearly not regular Alliance military anymore. They might even be Corsairs now. I honestly think that Ash/Kaiden are going to be coming after Shep and that they will be caught between their emotions (friendship/love) and their duty.

Or maybe it's wishful thinking on my part

Modifié par nelly21, 17 septembre 2010 - 02:48 .

[Twilight_Princess]

Shepard: I have a strong feeling that someone will betray me; luckily I can always depend on you, Newly recruited squad mate who looks suspiciously like a Reaper with a fake moustache.



Not a Reaper: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL OF YOUR SUSCPICIONS