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[ShadyKat]

Legion is the most likely choice. Is he really telling the truth about the Heretic Geth? I just don't completely trust him.

[Promethium147]

A complete rundown:



Anderson - He's a remote possibility. Only for a renegade Cerberus Shepard, and even then I don't see him wanting to fight you - just too much at stake.



Ashley/Kaidan - Possible for a Cerberus Shepard who is not their lover. They VERY clearly state that they are loyal to the Alliance first. Though something really bad would have to occur for them to consider attacking someone as dangerous as Shepard.



Garrus - Possible, but Garrus never seems jealous of Shepard - Shepard might even be a lover or give him a chance to redeem himself as the leader of the second squad on the suicide mission. Garrus is your loyal student in the ways of the Spectre as far as I see.



Tali - I don't see this happening, even if you betrayed her dad. Tali, at the most fundamental level, is a nice, decent person - she rapidly becomes friends with most of the crew of both Normandys, and would not want to betray them even if Shepard hurt her. The most I could see her doing is leaving and not coming back. If you have her loyalty, you are her Captain, and I would expect her to stay with you to the end.



Wrex - He had his chance. Why would he betray Shepard now? Wrex is also not that callous toward his friends, especially since he's not a mercenary anymore.



Liara - One of the better possibilities She's changed a lot, and I got a funny vibe from her. However, Shepard could have been a lover or loyal ally against the Shadow Broker, so I really don't think it is that plausible unless something really drastic occurs.



The Illusive Man should not betray Cerberus/Renegade types. That level of stupid is beneath him.



Jacob - Surprisingly possible. He has a bland personality, but that might have been cover for another mission. He's also likely to defect from a more Renegade Shepard. I also think it would add an element of character that he is currently lacking.



Miranda - Unless you ignore her loyalty mission, she's on your side. She tells the Illusive Man off in the final mission, after all, forfeiting her place as leader.



Mordin - Possible. Might have some divided loyalties unless you do his mission, but I'd more likely see him leaving than anything else.



Jack - Very Possible if you remain in good terms with Cerberus - she is REALLY volatile, and hard to get to know.



Grunt - You are his Battlemaster, and his idol, possible after Wrex. While I could see him turning on you in a fit of rebellion, he'd more likely turn back to you after a good old slugging match. He's a teenager after all.



Thane - He's not going to turn on you unless you fail his loyalty mission. His life is too short to go for vengeance, and he's not taking contracts any more.



Samara - Very possible for a renegade Shepard, not happening for a paragon.



Morinth - Expect her to betray you - she is a psychopath.



Zaeed - Possible. If someone offer him Vido, he might do it, but he also isn't stupid. Shepard is as good as him if not better, and as it was said to Jack "...you don't want to be my enemy." "They have a way of dying."



Kasumi - Possible, but unlikely. Betraying Shepard reduces chances with Jacob-kun, and does not result in a net benefit.



Legion - Very very unlikely, as Legion is almost obsessed with Shepard. Only way I could see it is if Shepard tries to hurt EDI.



EDI - Possible, but hopefully not the case. If EDI betrays Shepard, it will be against her will, and a very tragic moment. EDI really loves the crew as far as we can see.



I'm purposely excluding the situation of Monster Shepard - not so much Renegade as outright evil. Stuff like selling people to the Reapers, deciding to kill Joker, or having the Normandy start shooting at the Citadel makes this all null and void.

[sumof all fear]

JaegerBane wrote...

sumof all fear wrote...

Frankly I think it is going to be Cpt. Anderson. the mentor must die or turn evil, it just feels inevitable.

monstrous as it sounds I think it makes sense, you can feel him growing away from shep in ME2, and even questioning shep's actions with his tone and his "i wouldn't have told you if i knew" line certainty doesn't bode well. So I suspect that following reports of vesir's death Anderson will be pressured by the council to betray you.

Admiral Hackett on the other hand still seems to be on your side so theirs that to look forward to.

Actually, all Anderson was doing there was following his conscience. He flatly explains directly after that line that he was concerned Shep was being manipulated by TIM and therefore had to be treated with suspicion as a matter of common sense.

Frankly the idea of Anderson 'turning evil' sounds utterly absurd. Throughout every appearence he's shown as someone who resolutely sticks by his ideals come hell or high water - the idea he'd do that all his life and then suddenly join the dark side sounds like bad Star Wars fan fiction.

Bare in mind two things here:

One: Evil is all about perception, when I say evil, I mean he will go against the ideas shep holds dear, so for renegade shep a 'common sense' decision that follows a paragon trend would seem evil because of how shep thinks the situation needs to be treated.

Two: treating someone differently because you are worried they are being manipulated is no better than actually manipulating them in the first place. if anderson truly trusted shep's judgment as we were led to believe in the first game, he would not have felt it necessary to hold back on this information. The fact that he did is a sign that the relationship is changing. Based on the player's choices at the end of ME2 I see a strong chance that anderson will not be there to support or protect you in the third game.  

[Saibh]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

This thread gives me the distinct impression that some people really did not understand Liara's character development...

I agree. I can't see her betraying Shepard. She's just so attached to him/her--even when not romanced. I can see a betrayal from Legion, Samara, Morinth, Grunt, for various reasons. I could see where a character like Mordin or Miranda if faced with a decision (the genophage, Oriana's wellbeing) betraying Shepard a la Wrex on Virmire, but I don't see it being a high possibility.

I doubt that an love interests (Thane, Jack, and Jacob, specifically) will betray you unless you do something really horrendous to them or a loved one. I can't see Garrus or Tali possibly betraying you. It doesn't seem like something Kasumi would do. Zaeed, I doubt it. His loyalty mission was his extreme--if he made it out without trying to kill you, he's not going to try again.

All-in-all, I only feel like Samara betraying Renegade Shep is a given.

Modifié par Saibh, 30 septembre 2010 - 04:04 .

[hitorihanzo]

Major Truth wrote...

As Mass effect is a trilogy and an epic one at that, I would be surprised if their isn't a betrayel or two along the way. Just wondering who everyone thinks are the characters that are most likey to betray shephard and the characters they most definitely do not want to see betray Shephard

For me:

Most Likely:

* Liara - For me something just isn't right with her. From historian to information dealer their seems to be a huge change in her character from ME1 to ME2. Also the fact that she is a "pure blood" leaves the door open for an Ardat - Yakshi storyline

* Ashley - She's so pro Alliance I could see her feeling duty bound to follow orders regardless of the impact to Shephard. Not exactly a betrayal but a clash non the less

* Jack/Miranda - Dependent on the decisions you made in ME2 I could see one of these two becoming bitter and seeking revenge on Shephard


Least Likely:

* Wrex/Grunt - Logically because they are Krogan these two would be the first you would expect to turn their back on Shephard if it suited them, but thats exactly why I don't think it would happen, its just too obvious

* Tali: "Why Tali, Why" - I have to admit I would be gutted if Tali turned on Shephard. A LI for some and a geeky little sister to others Tali has been a constant in the Mass Effect series, and by far the most loyal squadmate to Shephard. 

My own pick:

* Garrus - I've said it on here before, Shephard and Garrus are very similar, only Shephard is a more successful Garrus. I just think that Garrus could grow to become resentful and jealous of Shephard for enough for him to turn on him  

The only one that I can think of occuring is Ashley.  My theory is similar to yours above.  The Alliance sends her along as a sleeper agent with Shepard.  Somewhere in the story, the Alliance's goals contradict with Shepard's... and the galaxies... and dependant on what you do with Ashley during ME3, she decides to either follow orders or not.

As for Garrus, you are right.  He's exactly like Shepard, even according to the Shadowbroker.  However, if you listen to his conversations about the Normandy, and throughout the game, he knows better than to go against Shepard (according to Samara "an ARTIST on the battlefield).  Garrus isn't stupid.  He knows that he'd get wasted.  If anything, I could see Garrus leading the "B Team, who's objective is concurrent, but separate from Shepards.

[Tim Skijwalker]

my team wont betray me =P



i hope xD

[Sergeant Conley]

If I had to guess one traitor, it'd be...much as I hate to say it, Zaeed, but only in the following circumstances:



- He's being offered an ungodly sum of credits.

- He's doing it to see just how good he is in comparison.



But as someone pointed out, if you can earn his loyalty in the Vido incident, it's highly unlikely he'll ever try and backstab you.



The Shadow Broker videos make one question Anderson's state of mind, though...



Honestly I don't think there'll be a betrayal. Lotta life or death situations where characters may die, sure, but no betrayals.

[Shadesofsiknas]

Bioware is the Judas in ME3 they will betray us and add multiplayer.

On a serious note I can see Bioware going for something that we wont see coming. Maybe have Liara betray us or Anderson.

Modifié par Shadesofsiknas, 13 janvier 2011 - 01:30 .

[KainrycKarr]

Major Truth wrote...

ImperialOperative wrote...

OK so why would anybody betray the sole person who has a chance of leading the galaxy to surviving the Reaper invasion?

Only way anybody would "betray" is if they were indoctrinated, or retarded.

Very simple - one example would be the person may feel they are better placed to lead the team to save the galaxy
Betraying Shephard and betraying the galaxy are not neccesserily the same thing

Also who said Shephard was the "Sole Person" who could save the galaxy? - he's part of a team

That's been like, the tagline since ME1. The team wouldn't be a team without Shepard. We saw this in ME2.

Why is it? We don't know. Maybe the whole Prothean vision thing. Maybe he's just that badass. All we know is that according to Bioware, T.I.M., and the marketing department, Shep's the one that's gotta do it.

[hooahguy]

Most likely:



Samara- She is sworn to an oath, and if you have done anything that goes against it, and she means anything, she will have to kill you. Big threat, IMO.



Ashley/Kaiden (unless you romanced them)- Alliance loyalists who are loyal to the Alliance no matter what. Unless you romanced one of them, in which case, theres less of a chance.



Zaeed- hes a merc. No further explanation necessary.



Jack (regardless of how you picked in the Miranda/Jack fight, but Jack isnt a threat if you romanced her, obviously)- unless you romanced her, she has no feelings towards you, and will do anything to get higher up on the food chain. Including stabbing you in the back.



Least likely:

Pretty much everyone else.



Miranda: Whether or not you romanced her, and regardless of who you sided with in the fight, Miranda knows enough about the Reapers to know that betraying Shepard is just stupid and a death sentence on the galaxy.



Tali: She is so in love with you, I dont think the thought of betrayal would even cross her mind.



Garrus- While some may argue that he might be jealous of Shepard, one must remember that Garrus looks at Shepard like a mentor.



Thane- I dont get the hate for this guy. While he might be an assassin, he does have a sense of honor. Plus he said that ME2 would be his last mission, so no chance he would take another job. He also is loyal to you after you helped him find his son.



Kasumi- I just dont think shes the type to betray someone.



Grunt- you are his battlemaster. Krogan do not betray their battlemasters.



Jacob- Also, not the kind of person to betray Shepard.



Mordin- Dont think so. He would see no reason to, for he knows about the Reapers and he wants to defeat them. So does Shepard. Why would he betray Shepard?

[Encarmine]

HmMMMmMmm the more I think about it, Garrus is being billed as such a good pal, super freindly helpfull buddy.



When you think it over, hes one of the characters where you would be screaming at your screen



WHY GARRUS WHYYYYYYYYYY!



It wouldnt be so dramatic if Miranda or Jack or Jacob etc did it, you would be like



'oh yeah i expected this, cheeky bugger gonna kill yo ass'



Garrus does fit the bill as a turncoat, hes the 006 to your 007, hes the borrowmir of your fellowship. The Shadowbroker does say 'will never develop while being overshadowed by Shepard'



Some crazy scene where he kills Tali or somthing would be insane evil, and he becomes Saren 2 muahha

[Images]

Somebody already mentioned this but surely as sci fi geeks we should rename this thread to that of...

THE TRUE BETRAYER!

Oh and it'll be Garrus.

[Illusive]

If there was a "Judas" in ME3, wouldn't Bioware make it be a character who can't die in the first two games? If it was someone like Garrus/Samara/Wrex, etc., then they may be dead in some playthroughs and you would be missing out on a important aspect of the story and the resulting gameplay to deal with the betrayer. I think the VS is the most likely option, especially if you are still working for Cerberus at the end of ME2.

[msantos]

So.... we know TIM will get reaper tech anyway and use it in experiments even if Shepard decides to blow/destroy the collector station. After all, Grayson was implanted with the tech and became a really hard-to-kill monster. With that factored in I am willing to regard him and/or anyone closely connected to Cerberus or the council to be a potential "Judas".

Would TIM do it? certainly. He did that and a lot worse to anyone who crossed him (like Paul Grayson did).

[hooahguy]

Kings19 wrote...

If there was a "Judas" in ME3, wouldn't Bioware make it be a character who can't die in the first two games? If it was someone like Garrus/Samara/Wrex, etc., then they may be dead in some playthroughs and you would be missing out on a important aspect of the story and the resulting gameplay to deal with the betrayer. I think the VS is the most likely option, especially if you are still working for Cerberus at the end of ME2.

Excellent point! 
I put my money on Udina. 

[Rykoth]

I do not believe anyone will willingly betray.



I do have a feeling the indoctrination will return, and we'll be put in a situation where you need to basically avoid killing your team.

[Encarmine]

hooahguy wrote...

Kings19 wrote...

If there was a "Judas" in ME3, wouldn't Bioware make it be a character who can't die in the first two games? If it was someone like Garrus/Samara/Wrex, etc., then they may be dead in some playthroughs and you would be missing out on a important aspect of the story and the resulting gameplay to deal with the betrayer. I think the VS is the most likely option, especially if you are still working for Cerberus at the end of ME2.

Excellent point! 
I put my money on Udina. 

hm yes this does nullify my Garrus theory.

leaving me with the VS survivor being the best candidate

[KarumaK]

For me the ME3 Judas is Shepard.



Seeing as that's what I named him.

[Major Truth]

The more I think of it, the more I see a betrayel coming. I'm not saying it will be an epic betrayel where say someone seels out Shepard to the Repaers, but more a personal betrayel.



I can also see it being Liara