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[Decho the Dolphin]

Logical traitors: Morinth, Samara (conditional), EDI, Miranda.

[Major Truth]

ImperialOperative wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

Very simple - one example would be the person may feel they are better placed to lead the team to save the galaxy
Betraying Shephard and betraying the galaxy are not neccesserily the same thing

Also who said Shephard was the "Sole Person" who could save the galaxy? - he's part of a team

Then what was the point of using ME2's resurrection plot device?  What the hell makes Shepard so important to so many people in the fight against the Reapers?  Why was Liara, the Shadow Broker, and Cerberus looking for his remains?

Shephard was a symbol of  "all that was good of humanity", and also the repaers death. He's not a God. Remember he did die

[Darth_Trethon]

First off Grunt has already said that one day he'll send his clan after you so he goes in the extremely likely category. Secondly Ashley has already sold Shepard out.

[Darth_Trethon]

Skeane12 wrote...

actually i know who itll be now, Conrad Vernor. He'll be majorly pissed about you shooting him in the foot and holding a gun to his face and all the other **** you did to him

Conrad dies if you shoot him in the foot. There's news report about him trying to hitchhike a ride on some vehicle(as in literally on top of it) and falls off hitting all kinds of things on the way down....but yeah he gets to be as dead as possible.

[ImperialOperative]

Major Truth wrote...

Shephard was a symbol of  "all that was good of humanity", and also the repaers death. He's not a God. Remember he did die

I don't even know how to respond because you don't even make a lick of sense.

If he's such an important symbol, why would his comrades betray him over such childish reasoning? (X teammate gets JEALOUS of Shepard, LOL)

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 01 avril 2010 - 04:19 .

[ImperialOperative]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Conrad dies if you shoot him in the foot. There's news report about him trying to hitchhike a ride on some vehicle(as in literally on top of it) and falls off hitting all kinds of things on the way down....but yeah he gets to be as dead as possible.

So? Conrad Verner got shot to death by turians in ME1.

He's an immortal broski

[Darth_Trethon]

Decho the Dolphin wrote...

Logical traitors: Morinth, Samara (conditional), EDI, Miranda.

Morinth yes, Samara no(not as long as her oath to do what you say is still in effect), EDI I seriously doubt it(even next to impossible), hell she had plenty of opportunities to kill or ditch the crew. Miranda, she seems likely but I doubt any of the LIs(9 total possible, one already dead) will betray us in any major way.

[Darth_Trethon]

ImperialOperative wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Conrad dies if you shoot him in the foot. There's news report about him trying to hitchhike a ride on some vehicle(as in literally on top of it) and falls off hitting all kinds of things on the way down....but yeah he gets to be as dead as possible.

So? Conrad Verner got shot to death by turians in ME1.

He's an immortal broski

Yeah but shot doesn't have to mean dead unless the report stated he died and I don't remember if it did, this one deffinitely states he dies.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

One of the devs said that the save game tracks how often you use particular characters. I suspect whoever you use the least or most will be the one to betray you. Either blasting you a new pooper mid-mission, or meeting you with a rocket in the boys (girls!) as you come home.

[Darth_Trethon]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

One of the devs said that the save game tracks how often you use particular characters. I suspect whoever you use the least or most will be the one to betray you. Either blasting you a new pooper mid-mission, or meeting you with a rocket in the boys (girls!) as you come home.

That would make for a lot of wasted time writing 12 or more traitor scripts and only one ends up being used. That doesn't make a lot of sense. Then they have to account for the possibility that a certain character may be dead so two or three traitor scripts maybe(unless they do a returning ME1 character) but 12 seems like a waste of time. Not to mention the twist would likely have less of an impact since it would also likely not be very well developed.

[Major Truth]

ImperialOperative wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

Shephard was a symbol of  "all that was good of humanity", and also the repaers death. He's not a God. Remember he did die

I don't even know how to respond because you don't even make a lick of sense.

If he's such an important symbol, why would his comrades betray him over such childish reasoning? (X teammate gets JEALOUS of Shepard, LOL)

I'm quite sure it dosen't make a lick of sense to you, on that we can agree.

The characters obviously have different perceptions. In terms of him being a symbol, this was the perception of Cerberous and more specifically TIM. That does not mean it is the perception of all characters within the game.

Betrayal can also come in a range of different forms from minor to major, its not exclusively linked to helping the reapers or any other of Shephards enemies. If Jack kills Shpehards love interest through jealousy or hatred would that not be a betrayal? - Yes it would. Does it jepordise the galaxy or aid Shephards enemies, No it dosen't

[Airell]

EDI for sure will. the hidden program i think thats what there leading up to. Sheaphard will be betrayed by someone, that is why it would be a bad idea to cheat on your LI. becouse your LI will not leave you side and will rescue shaphard in there finnal darkest hour. if you did cheat no will be there for shephard

[Darth_Trethon]

Major Truth wrote...

ImperialOperative wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

Shephard was a symbol of  "all that was good of humanity", and also the repaers death. He's not a God. Remember he did die

I don't even know how to respond because you don't even make a lick of sense.

If he's such an important symbol, why would his comrades betray him over such childish reasoning? (X teammate gets JEALOUS of Shepard, LOL)

I'm quite sure it dosen't make a lick of sense to you, on that we can agree.

The characters obviously have different perceptions. In terms of him being a symbol, this was the perception of Cerberous and more specifically TIM. That does not mean it is the perception of all characters within the game.

Betrayal can also come in a range of different forms from minor to major, its not exclusively linked to helping the reapers or any other of Shephards enemies. If Jack kills Shpehards love interest through jealousy or hatred would that not be a betrayal? - Yes it would. Does it jepordise the galaxy or aid Shephards enemies, No it dosen't

Plus they all have their own reasons and agendas independent of you. After the reapers are gone the speies with the most reaper tech will be on top. If a team mate thinks that many of the reaper assets or information may fall in the hands of Cerberus or someone they really dislike they may well decide to betray you. It's sad to see people like Imperial Operative with so little immagination that he can't even think of one reasonable motive for betrayal.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 01 avril 2010 - 04:40 .

[CrazyShuba]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

First off Grunt has already said that one day he'll send his clan after you so he goes in the extremely likely category. Secondly Ashley has already sold Shepard out.

Yeah, but that was at first.
Now Grunt sees Shepard as his battlemaster and he has his own clan now.
Besides, he's part of clan Urdnot now. I don't think Wrex would suddenly attack Shepard.

As for Ashley, I can't see her betraying Shepard, simply because of the LI perspective, and the fact that she knows the Reapers are coming, so she knows they need to be stopped.

It's probably gonna be a new character introduced in the third game that's serving as an information provider for Shepard.
Maybe a contact between Liara and Shepard that goes rogue, sorta like Nyxeris.

[ImperialOperative]

Darth_Trethon wrote...


Plus they all have their own reasons and agendas independent of you. After the reapers are gone the speies with the most reaper tech will be on top. If a team mate thinks that many of the reaper assets or information may fall in the hands of Cerberus or someone they really dislike they may well decide to betray you. It's sad to see people like Imperial Operative with so little immagination that he can't even think of one reasonable motive for betrayal.

I'm within the context of Mass Effect 3, which is the setting OP has chosen for the betrayal.  I expect the game to conclude with the defeat of the Reapers.

Logically, any "betrayal" happening during the game would happen before/during the Reaper attacks.  Logically, I see no reason why any of his teammates (knowing full well that Shepard is an important figure in the fight against the reapers) would betray him during the course of the game (in a way that leads to his death).

Now, depending on what sort of loyalties you take thorughout your own story, I can see certain teammates taking covert steps against you for when the Reapers are gone.  (ie. Ashley gaining intel on you and Cerberus)

But for the course of the game, stupid childish things like "jealousy" and "love interest passion murders" are absolutely mind-bogglingly ridiculous.

[bulldog2012]

Redemption is a powerful storyteller...



I wouldn't mind it. Hell- maybe even Shepard is the one betraying? That would be a nice Paragon/Renegade twist.

[ImperialOperative]

whaevah dawg

[sherban1988]

No one from the squad of ME2 can be a traitor, since that should be part of the main story, and none of them are certain to be in ME3.

[Nicodemus]

If you didn't help Zaeed kill his target in his loyalty mission I could see him selling out Shepard as an act of revenge and for profit.

[MarchWaltz]

If you read the redemption comic book, you can see the transition from researcher to questionable information dealer....still strange to see her that way though.

[Darth_Trethon]

ImperialOperative wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...


Plus they all have their own reasons and agendas independent of you. After the reapers are gone the speies with the most reaper tech will be on top. If a team mate thinks that many of the reaper assets or information may fall in the hands of Cerberus or someone they really dislike they may well decide to betray you. It's sad to see people like Imperial Operative with so little immagination that he can't even think of one reasonable motive for betrayal.

I'm within the context of Mass Effect 3, which is the setting OP has chosen for the betrayal.  I expect the game to conclude with the defeat of the Reapers.

Logically, any "betrayal" happening during the game would happen before/during the Reaper attacks.  Logically, I see no reason why any of his teammates (knowing full well that Shepard is an important figure in the fight against the reapers) would betray him during the course of the game (in a way that leads to his death).

Now, depending on what sort of loyalties you take thorughout your own story, I can see certain teammates taking covert steps against you for when the Reapers are gone.  (ie. Ashley gaining intel on you and Cerberus)

But for the course of the game, stupid childish things like "jealousy" and "love interest passion murders" are absolutely mind-bogglingly ridiculous.

Yes that's reasonable but you're not accounting for a lot of things.

Some squad members aren't reasonable, Take Jack for example and even Samara to some extent....she'll blindly follow the code. It is unclear whether her oath to follow shepard only extended to the Collector threat or to the end of the Reaper conflict.

Then when it comes to plotting against Shepard for after the reaper war things can blow up prematurely. If Shepard finds out for example.

Then if you have squad members that take orders from someone else like Miranda and Jacob and perhaps one of the others we don't know of.

There are plenty of variables and plenty of things that can go sideways.

[Mako Zalos]

I'd say the most likely would be either Jack, Miranda, EDI, and Morinth. Least likely Garrus, Mordin, Grunt and Legion depending on what you did for them

[Hulk Hsieh]

Anderson.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

I hope Bioware NEVER think of doing that with Garrus, Tali or Miranda. If they do, I'll nerd rage and go to their offices personally punch them in the face.

[Maria Caliban]

Major Truth wrote...

As Mass effect is a trilogy and an epic one at that, I would be surprised if their isn't a betrayel or two along the way.

Udena and the Council are the 'betrayals' in the series.