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[Qwepir]

Wrex almost betrays you on Virmire.

[Grizzly46]

Dougdh wrote...

Those thinking squad mates won't betray because it'd be a "gut punch": That is exactly why bioware would make them betray you. Because it would hurt. Emotional involvement. "Why would you do this to me Tali?! I loved you!" <------That's what I'm talkin' bout.

Yes, and emotional attachement to the team members is the wrong point to argue about this from. If Bioware wants to really get some feelings from the player, they will ensure that a LI will betray Shepard. But as I already said, I hope they won't do this, not because I happen to like my team members, but because it is too obvious. From about 75% into the game, I will fully expect to be betrayed and wont be usrprised when it happens.

However, there is one way Bioware can maek a betrayal legal, and that would be if a team member becomes indoctrinated and thus won't be in control of himself. If Shepard before that can, by using cunning ensure that no one becomes indoctrinated (ie, the player plays well) no treason will occur.

Bioware has always let the player be the master of his fate - let that continue.

[Rapamaha1]

http://www.escapistm...uation-Betrayal

[Marah_Fayne]

agentwaffle wrote...

Ashley would be the best. Her character of anti-aliens could become a large part of that. Plus a LE betraying? So perfect.

That would be hard in my game - my Shep left her sorry, anti-alien ass to burn on Virmire.

[Vanguard1219]

GodWood wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

Most Likely:

* Liara - For me something just isn't right with her. From historian to information dealer their seems to be a huge change in her character from ME1 to ME2. Also the fact that she is a "pure blood" leaves the door open for an Ardat - Yakshi storyline 

...No it does not.

Yeah, no.

Being an "Ardat-Yakshi" is a disorder that an Asari aquires at birth, meaning that Liara would already be one if there was a chance of that popping up. She can't just become one. It would be like suddenly contracting dwarfism.

[JamieCOTC]

Kelly.

[Kalak]

Vanguard1219 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

Most Likely:

* Liara - For me something just isn't right with her. From historian to information dealer their seems to be a huge change in her character from ME1 to ME2. Also the fact that she is a "pure blood" leaves the door open for an Ardat - Yakshi storyline 

...No it does not.

Yeah, no.

Being an "Ardat-Yakshi" is a disorder that an Asari aquires at birth, meaning that Liara would already be one if there was a chance of that popping up. She can't just become one. It would be like suddenly contracting dwarfism.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Samara say something about Ardat-Yakshi-ism manifesting itself later on (whenever an asari first mates with someone) and then the AY is given a choice of death or secluded life?  

[JamieCOTC]

Kalak wrote...

Vanguard1219 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

Most Likely:

* Liara - For me something just isn't right with her. From historian to information dealer their seems to be a huge change in her character from ME1 to ME2. Also the fact that she is a "pure blood" leaves the door open for an Ardat - Yakshi storyline 

...No it does not.

Yeah, no.

Being an "Ardat-Yakshi" is a disorder that an Asari aquires at birth, meaning that Liara would already be one if there was a chance of that popping up. She can't just become one. It would be like suddenly contracting dwarfism.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Samara say something about Ardat-Yakshi-ism manifesting itself later on (whenever an asari first mates with someone) and then the AY is given a choice of death or secluded life?  

She does, but she also says that the doctor devilering her children told her that (paraphrasing) "life would never be the same." 

[Kalak]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Kalak wrote...

Vanguard1219 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

Most Likely:

* Liara - For me something just isn't right with her. From historian to information dealer their seems to be a huge change in her character from ME1 to ME2. Also the fact that she is a "pure blood" leaves the door open for an Ardat - Yakshi storyline 

...No it does not.

Yeah, no.

Being an "Ardat-Yakshi" is a disorder that an Asari aquires at birth, meaning that Liara would already be one if there was a chance of that popping up. She can't just become one. It would be like suddenly contracting dwarfism.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Samara say something about Ardat-Yakshi-ism manifesting itself later on (whenever an asari first mates with someone) and then the AY is given a choice of death or secluded life?  

She does, but she also says that the doctor devilering her children told her that (paraphrasing) "life would never be the same." 

So wait.......does that mean we're BOTH right?  

[JamieCOTC]

Kalak wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Kalak wrote...

Vanguard1219 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

Most Likely:

* Liara - For me something just isn't right with her. From historian to information dealer their seems to be a huge change in her character from ME1 to ME2. Also the fact that she is a "pure blood" leaves the door open for an Ardat - Yakshi storyline 

...No it does not.

Yeah, no.

Being an "Ardat-Yakshi" is a disorder that an Asari aquires at birth, meaning that Liara would already be one if there was a chance of that popping up. She can't just become one. It would be like suddenly contracting dwarfism.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Samara say something about Ardat-Yakshi-ism manifesting itself later on (whenever an asari first mates with someone) and then the AY is given a choice of death or secluded life?  

She does, but she also says that the doctor devilering her children told her that (paraphrasing) "life would never be the same." 

So wait.......does that mean we're BOTH right?  

Perhaps.  I got the impression that although the trait could be diagnosed  at birth, it doesn’t actually manifest until maturity, (perhaps Asari puberty?)  I have thought about this, but the fact that the player can have sex w/ Liara in ME1 most likely rules her out as an Ardat-Yakshi.

[Darth Drago]

“The condition is impossible to identify until the asari reaches maturity, by which time it is too late to correct. When diagnosed, afflicted asari are given a choice: live in quiet seclusion or be executed. Asari do this because it is an addictive condition; Ardat-Yakshi feel compelled to mate, a compulsion that grows stronger each time they succeed.” -from the ME Wiki site (leaving certain spoilers out).

[Kalak]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Kalak wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Kalak wrote...

Vanguard1219 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

Most Likely:

* Liara - For me something just isn't right with her. From historian to information dealer their seems to be a huge change in her character from ME1 to ME2. Also the fact that she is a "pure blood" leaves the door open for an Ardat - Yakshi storyline 

...No it does not.

Yeah, no.

Being an "Ardat-Yakshi" is a disorder that an Asari aquires at birth, meaning that Liara would already be one if there was a chance of that popping up. She can't just become one. It would be like suddenly contracting dwarfism.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Samara say something about Ardat-Yakshi-ism manifesting itself later on (whenever an asari first mates with someone) and then the AY is given a choice of death or secluded life?  

She does, but she also says that the doctor devilering her children told her that (paraphrasing) "life would never be the same." 

So wait.......does that mean we're BOTH right?  

Perhaps.  I got the impression that although the trait could be diagnosed  at birth, it doesn’t actually manifest until maturity, (perhaps Asari puberty?)  I have thought about this, but the fact that the player can have sex w/ Liara in ME1 most likely rules her out as an Ardat-Yakshi.

Most likely, yes....although, just to play devil's advocate for a minute, in ME1 Liara did say she's barely more than a child by Asari standards; maybe her crazy mood shift is just part of Asari puberty?  (I don't think this is likely, mind you, but just for the sake of argument, you understand)

[Xanfyrst]

Marah_Fayne wrote...

agentwaffle wrote...

Ashley would be the best. Her character of anti-aliens could become a large part of that. Plus a LE betraying? So perfect.

That would be hard in my game - my Shep left her sorry, anti-alien ass to burn on Virmire.

Pro-human, not anti-alien. Huge difference.

[Vanguard1219]

Kalak wrote...

Vanguard1219 wrote...

Yeah, no.

Being an "Ardat-Yakshi" is a disorder that an Asari aquires at birth, meaning that Liara would already be one if there was a chance of that popping up. She can't just become one. It would be like suddenly contracting dwarfism.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Samara say something about Ardat-Yakshi-ism manifesting itself later on (whenever an asari first mates with someone) and then the AY is given a choice of death or secluded life?  

... two seconds...

*runs off to the wiki*

Okay, it says that an Ardat-Yakshi's condition doesn't manafest itself until the asari reaches maturity, meaning, and this is just a guess on my part, the Matron stage of their life cycle.

So, because Liari is 106 as of ME1 that means that if the condition ever manifested itself within her it would be well after the Mass Effect "story line" and after every non asari or krogan character was long dead. So still, probably not going to happen lest there be a retcon of some sort.

[Major Truth]

wow, lots of replies

some quick thoughts

- In terms of Liara and the whole Ardat Yakshi thing, my understanding was that the condition only manifested itself once an Asari matures. At 106 as Liara says herself she is little more then a child. She has pure blood parents which increases the chances, and wasn't she somewhat living in seclusion searching theough ruins when we found her - hey its just a theroy

- on squad members being loyal because you have treated them right - um I've got one word for you, Jack !!!!!!! - the woman is nuts and she is more then capable of turning on Shephard and anyone else if she gets out on the wrong side of the bed. I would never have seen Ash treating Shephard like she did or Liara becoming a info broker and threatening violence to people while quoting Benezia but it happened

- on Garrus turnng - don't think it will happen. that was more me just hoping it did  I still see him as a poor mans shephard

- I could also see Miranda betraying anyone - she's a bit of an unknown quantity

Modifié par Major Truth, 04 avril 2010 - 02:51 .

[Collider]

Liara betraying Shepard would be her doing a 180. I mean come on...she's the one who best knows how much of a threat the Reapers are aside from Shepard. She went through hell trying to save Shepard's corpse. Unless there's some magical writing witchcraft in ME3, Liara going "lol im with the reapers now die" would not make sense :l and would be lame.

[mahony427]

Yeah that makes sence Garus is like Shepards apprentice ( and the apprentice must kill the mastrer ) He may be jealous of him, and Samara/Morinth if your renegade... and Zaheed will stab you in the back if somebody (Reapers ) would pay him a great deal .

[Cascadus]

Betrayal is a contrived and useless plot mechanic for the sake of an equally contrived and useless 'shocking' plot twist. Mass Effect is better without it.

[Alex_SM]

Anyone except Tali.

[Epsilon330]

I would say Legion. Just because he's welded a piece of N7 Armour to his upper torso doesn't mean he's totally loyal, he could have just used it as an emergancy repair. He could be part of one giant Heretic scheme to gain Shepherd's trust and take the Normandy down from the inside.

Also, let me remind everyone what his Passive Ablility is - GETH INFILTRATOR.

[Cascadus]

Geth do not intentionally infiltrate.

[Chuvvy]

Bioware wouldn't put a badass plot twist like this in ME3,and if anyone was going to betray you it'd be some crew member that you could talk to every once and awhile.

[Vardel]

Why does everyone see Tali as the least likely to betray Shepard? Depending on your choices, you could have empowered the Geth and made it difficult for the Quarians to retake their home world. I think Tali would be the squad mate most likely to betray Shepard because she already feels betrayed because Shepard made the Geth stronger. And if she was offered a way to retake her home world that required her to betray Shepard, there is no doubt in my mind that she would do it.

If people got over their Tali obsession and looked at it logically, then they too would see this as the most logical conclusion.

Modifié par Vardel, 04 avril 2010 - 11:49 .

[Sgt Lindog]

i hope jack tries to betray me, i'd love to shoot that tap headed **** in the face..

[casedawgz]

Shepard, when last we met, I was but your apprentice. Now I am the master.



Only a master of Renegade, Garrus!