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[Major Truth]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

@OP: Another Tali fan claiming that Liara will betray Shepard. Moving on here; it's nothing new.

Have I missed something here? - What does Tali have to do with Liara potentially betraying SHephard? - Do Tali fans dislike Liara ?

Modifié par Major Truth, 06 avril 2010 - 02:35 .

[Collider]

That's a hypothetical situation. And the whole Legion subplot in ME2 is about peace with the Quarians. And Tali's loyalty mission is her being used a chess piece for the Admiral's agendas. Xen and that Qwib Qwib guy both want peace with the Quarians. I highly doubt they are going to emphasize peace so much for it to not come into play in ME3.



Whereas Samara's words are not hypothetical. She literally says she will betray you. To me, the idea of Legion or Tali being the most likely in light of that makes no sense.



Plus, if we are to talk about allegiance to one's people, Wrex already almost betrayed Shepard once. If Shepard destroys the cure for the genophage or acts against the Krogans, there is a possibility of that again. Still, I doubt it.

[nic0dem]

I reckon TIM is going to be a betraying ass at some point in ME3. He would make an awesome villain.

[Nizzemancer]

varel1 wrote...
Alternative traitor - Grunt - he does have collector/reaper technology in his make-up.

Grunt is a purified hybrid clone of several warlords genetic makeup, there's no reaper or collector technology anywhere on him, wth gave you that idea?

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

I don't think it's even possible. The "import" for ME3 for total suicide is to have no save game. Hence, the "default" beginning for ME3 would talk about Shep's heroic suicide mission where he gave his own life and that of his crew to stop the collectors. Your Shepard, and everyone on his team is dead.

There's no logic behind your reasoning at all...

The only one who'd might betray Shepard in some way is Udina, and possibly the turian council member because they're both d***s.

[The Governator]

nic0dem wrote...

I reckon TIM is going to be a betraying ass at some point in ME3. He would make an awesome villain.

It is my considered opinion that he already IS a villain.  He just played an anti-hero in ME2.

[Major Truth]

pointtech86 wrote...

Ashley/Kaiden:  Basically an interchangeable faceplate/voiceplate story line.  The way both reacted on Horizon this is the perfect choice for a betraying character, not as loved by the fans as Tali or Garrus, but essential to the plot and being one of the first characters introduced.  More-so with Ashley because of her Alliance background than with Kaiden but the devs obviously made them both have the same storyline leading up to ME3.  Odds:  9.5/10


Miranda:  This is difficult.  On one hand I can see how she would betray you but it wouldn't make sense.  Either choice you choose at the end she follows you, and would need your help to rescue her sister (again) if you choose to make her betray TIM.  No reasonable emotional or logical motive to betray you.  Odds:  1/10

Jack:  I don't think you can really call it a betrayal if you sided with Miranda.  It would be more like payback getting in the way of the mission.  If you romanced her she'd be too vulnerable to consider doing anything against Shepard.  She'll probably sulk, but I doubt she'd be so stupid with no ulterior motive, unless her desire to wreck Cerberus from the inside out makes her crazy enough to do something like that.  Odds:  3/10

Samara:  I wouldn't put anything past this code of hers.  Destroying the base could be viewed as killing innocent civilians, and saving the base could mean that Shepard is allowing evil too spread by not destroying it.  This code is messing everything up, making her irrational and unpredictable.  Odds: (hell if I know) 50/50.

Some very good points their

In terms of Jacob, I agree completely. He made such a little impression I'm not sure Shephard will remember who he is in ME3

Garrus Vs Shephard, yep its something I wouldn't mind seeing

Miranda
You raise some interesting points for Miranda. On one hand I would say that Shephard is now her only friend in the universe, so their is no way she could betray him surely. On the other hand, she's a smart lady, and didn't really have an option but to support Shephard on the Collector base. If she tried to assume control of the group and save the base as per TIM orders, she would have been left behind by the group.

Jack
I genuinely think that she is so unstable she could do anything

Very intersted to see your thoughts on Ashley/Kaiden

[LordMandalore]

You forget.

Conrad Verner is mad at Shepard because he won't let him help. (The Incredibles, anybody?)

Naturally, he becomes the new leader of the Blood Pack, and hunts Shepard down.

Also he must be a cyborg.

...and a wizard.

With a top hat.

THAT WOULD BE FREAKING AWESOME!

[THX2012]

Udina in an attempt to "make peace" with the Reapers (ie doing exactly what Saren did)
I don't see Conrad Verner betraying Shepard; I see him saving Shepard and company from certain doom at the very end

[chedd4r knight]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Decho the Dolphin wrote...

Logical traitors: Morinth, Samara (conditional), EDI, Miranda.

...EDI I seriously doubt it(even next to impossible), hell she had plenty of opportunities to kill or ditch the crew...

everyone need to remember that everyone played their shep differently. paragon/renegade, male/female, different LI's, loyal/nonloyal teammates. so any discussion on how we treated our teammates in me1 and me2 opens up too many variables and what ifs on a possible betrayal.

that said, the only characters that are pretty much the same for everyone are liara and EDI. from what ive read, liara is one of the characters most loyal to shep so i dont see a betrayal from her.

so that leaves EDI. yes it/she had plenty of opportunities to kill everyone, especially joker. but remember she is a cerberus ai w/ programming blocks that will activate under unknown conditions, unknown even to EDI. if any betrayal happens it'll come from EDI, probably even unwillingly. TIM could easily send a secret message that triggers betrayal or once threat over TIM preplanned betrayal of shep and squad for cerberus advancement.

[DaVanguard]

THX2012 wrote...

Udina in an attempt to "make peace" with the Reapers (ie doing exactly what Saren did)
I don't see Conrad Verner betraying Shepard; I see him saving Shepard and company from certain doom at the very end

that would give me an excuse to shoot udina

[varel1]

Nizzemancer wrote...

varel1 wrote...
Alternative traitor - Grunt - he does have collector/reaper technology in his make-up.

Grunt is a purified hybrid clone of several warlords genetic makeup, there's no reaper or collector technology anywhere on him, wth gave you that idea?


The only one who'd might betray Shepard in some way is Udina, and possibly the turian council member because they're both d***s.

From my increasingly fallible memory, Okeer tells Shepard that he bargained with the collectors to obtain the technology that he used to make Grunt, besides which, and less seriously,  Grunt's armour resembles the human reaper's body!

[chedd4r knight]

Epsilon330 wrote...

I would say Legion. Just because he's welded a piece of N7 Armour to his upper torso doesn't mean he's totally loyal, he could have just used it as an emergancy repair. He could be part of one giant Heretic scheme to gain Shepherd's trust and take the Normandy down from the inside.
Also, let me remind everyone what his Passive Ablility is - GETH INFILTRATOR.

i dont think this makes sense. when asked about the N7 armor and why legion used it to repair himself, legion couldnt come up w/ an answer.  he didnt know why. he had other resources available but he used the armor.

i think bioware has a bigger story planned for legion and the geth. i want to see more of legion and his gradual change to a unique and individual geth. but i dont see how betrayal is involved.

[epoch_]

It'll probably be anderson. He fits the bioware betrayal bill well.



It won't be a squad member and it definitely won't be a LI.



OP is retarded for picking 5 LI that he thinks will betray us.

[apotheosic]

my money's on either TIM or Udina as traitors.

oh wait.

[Jaina Twoseas]

It is Shepard himself!



He allies himself with the Reapers to preserve humanities eternal existance while everyone and everything he assembled in the last two games will play against him. Paragon is screwed =)

[ResidentNoob]

Just you wait and see, it's going to be the freaking Council again.

Think about it: No matter what you did, we either have the same three morons from the first game, or a just-as-moronic, purely human Council.

All this time, they think that Shepard's just delusional, with all his talk of 'Reapers coming to destroy us', and his alliance with Cerberus. So, when Shepard starts taking drastic steps to fight the Reapers, the Council sends someone (possibly another Spectre) to bring you in so that you can't cause any more trouble.

Somehow, they succeed/Shepard gives up, but his squadmates manage to avoid capture somehow, and start planning an ultra-epic prison break where we get to play as our favourite squadmember, and assign people to certain roles like in the suicide mission(e.g. Kasumi/Thane sneak in to rescue Shepard, Grunt/Zaeed distract guards, Tali hacks stuff, etc.). This culminates in a massive escape from the Citadel, where we then go off to save the galaxy, while the Council brands us threats to galactic security, therefore making our job that much more difficult.

I would love this if it happened, but I'm just a sucker for stories where the hero is thought to be the villain and vice versa.

[Majinfefnir13]

yes I like that idea more, reminds me of Modern Warfare 2 (that's a good thing) but that's awesome

Modifié par Majinfefnir13, 06 avril 2010 - 04:48 .

[danitiwa]

I honestly hope they don't pull this on one of the "Least Likely" characters just to make the storyline more twisted or something.

[dinin70]

Crixt wrote...

Most likely: Ashley, Jack/Maranda, Liana, Samara

Least likely: Garrus, Tali, Wrex

Completely disagree

- Ashley will betray shepard only if he goes against the alliance. The probability this this happens is 0.0001%. There much more chances there will be an joint force Alliance / Cerberus

- Jack / Miranda certainly not: if you get along with Jack, and keep Miranda in Suicide Mission she leaves Cerberus to be under your command -> that seems to me improbable.

- Samara: 100% this won't happen, she offered alliegence to Shepard

[DrSpoonbender]

I believe Dr Chakwas is a spy for the Shadow Broker.
I think the Shadow Broker would be crazy not to keep very close tabs on a major player like Commander Shepard.
 
My irrefutable logic is based on the fact that I can’t figure why else Dr Chakwas is around. 

[smudboy]

DrSpoonbender wrote...

I believe Dr Chakwas is a spy for the Shadow Broker.
I think the Shadow Broker would be crazy not to keep very close tabs on a major player like Commander Shepard.
 
My irrefutable logic is based on the fact that I can’t figure why else Dr Chakwas is around. 

You sir are a winner x2.  Chakwas baffles me to no end.  She was completely useless in ME1.  And then we get a super doctor, Mordin, which makes us wonder what her possible use could be.

[alphax1]

It's only betrayal if you ever trusted the guy in the first place so TIM is out... (seriously neither Paragon nor Renegade Shep trust him)



If anyone's going to be doing the 'betraying' (without an unwilling 'indoctrination') it will be Shepard himself/herself... I mean think about it... Resurrection tech... L5 implants (and the tech/soldier equivalent) that GLOW when going the renegade route... EDI being built with reaper tech and able to fight off Harbinger... Cerberus finding and establishing a pretty big presence on a derelict reaper? The dots are pretty much a straight line to Shepard being heavily implanted (probably more than Saren considering the amount of time it took to bring him back) with Reaper tech...

[The Almighty Ali]

Udina and TIM gets my vote.

TIM because he could and probably has a hidden agenda with the reapers, possibly try to strike a deal with them to let humanity be spared on the expense of the other species.



Udina, well just because he doesn't like Shepard.

[RenownedRyan]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

I think Wrex is among the least likely if only for the fact that he may not be alive in ME3. The default in ME2 is for Wrex to have died on Virmire - any betrayer would likely be one guaranteed able to come back in ME3.

But all party members can die in ME2.  I personally think that the "Judas" of ME3 is probably going to be more like a "Brutus", someone Shepard is good friends with, but not one of his "disciples".

[RenownedRyan]

My opinion, it has to be Udina. He feels snubbed by Shepard (if Shepard appointed Anderson to the Council) and murders Anderson, then sabotages Shepard's mission at the last second, leaving the party to finish the fight.