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[TheTrooper1138]

Gunny5821 wrote...

Something no one is mentioning is that through this DLC, you have the opportunity to see what a serious negative effect on you characters does to their part of the team. On the flip side of that coin, you can boost all of your characters to 100% and see ALL of the bonus's they receive for doing so! I never knew any of this existed until now. Sure, I would see a tiddbit here and there, but this DLC really brings each of the characters to their full gaming potential! I just sat back and watched how all of these special awards popped up for each character and the different levels for each as well.

Did no one else see the importance of this?

No. I always got all my companions to 100%, if I wanted to, I would also get them to 0%, but what would be the point?

[Myusha]

Trooper. Roleplaying purposes of being evil, or wanting to kill someone. Like Shale,OGHREN, and Zevran. Plus do you prefer to look up everyway in the game to make Oghren disapprove?

[PandasterMaster]

What does the low morale effect of the items do?

[TheTrooper1138]

Myusha wrote...

Trooper. Roleplaying purposes of being evil, or wanting to kill someone. Like Shale,OGHREN, and Zevran. Plus do you prefer to look up everyway in the game to make Oghren disapprove?

You can kill Shale by siding with Branka, no matter how much Shale likes you, my evil characters don't even take Zevran along, because evil characters don't know the word "mercy"... And Oghren, who would wanna kill him? OK, as a completionist maybe I would even do it, though I didn't even know until now that you could, but still, that's not worth the price for this "DLC". 

[Myusha]

Makes getting Loghain Approval up much easier too

And in my opinion I'd pay ten bucks to kill Oghren.

[beelzabubba]

Thanks Bioware, please keep it coming.

[Estelindis]

This is my favourite DLC so far (not including Shale, which I got for free). Love the idiosycratic character moments that these gifts and pranks generate!

[SotF]

Well, with the 400 points I had left after buying up the Civilization: Revolution DLC, I bought this and the ME2 clothes pack.

[TheTrooper1138]

Estelindis wrote...

This is my favourite DLC so far (not including Shale, which I got for free). Love the idiosycratic character moments that these gifts and pranks generate!

I hope that was a joke... if not... :sick:

[purplesunset]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

This is my favourite DLC so far (not including Shale, which I got for free). Love the idiosycratic character moments that these gifts and pranks generate!

I hope that was a joke... if not... :sick:

Estelindis is probably one of those people who say, "I will eat whatever Bioware puts before me !!!"


It's ironic, but what Bioware doesn't understand is that people who lavish unchecked praise are often also the most fickle, and might soon become apathetic as the emotions wear off.


It's like how a stranger is often more polite than an old friend. The old friend is liable to upbraid you if you make a mistake, but the polite stranger will praise everything you do.

Bioware doesn't see it that way, so those with slavish devotion are considered their best fans.

Modifié par purplesunset, 04 avril 2010 - 12:18 .

[TheTrooper1138]

purplesunset wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

This is my favourite DLC so far (not including Shale, which I got for free). Love the idiosycratic character moments that these gifts and pranks generate!

I hope that was a joke... if not... :sick:

Estelindis is probably one of those people who say, "I will eat whatever Bioware puts before me !!!"


It's ironic, but what Bioware doesn't understand is that people who lavish unchecked praise are often also the most fickle, and might soon become apathetic as the emotions wear off.


It's like how a stranger is often more polite than an old friend. The old friend is liable to upbraid you if you make a mistake, but the polite stranger will praise everything you do.

Bioware doesn't see it that way, so those with slavish devotion are considered their best fans.

maybe so... with their recent policy they now lost me as a "fan", I'm really pissed off... not just about this DLC, also about RtO and ME2... I will not support that kind of policy any longer, if BioWare wanna sell their future stuff to me, they better make it worth the money and stop screwing us loyal fans... and if they do to DA2 what they did to ME2, I won't even get it, dumbing it down so the casual gamers will buy it... I'm really disappointed, this from the devs who gave us such great games in the past, including ME1 and DAO... get your heads out of EA's asses, or I'm done with you, BioWare! 

[Finiffa]

purplesunset wrote...
Estelindis is probably one of those people who say, "I will eat whatever Bioware puts before me !!!"

So because YOU dont like it, she is not allowed to like it?
Right.....

[Icinix]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...
...if BioWare wanna sell their future stuff to me, they better make it worth the money and stop screwing us loyal fans...

I'm a loyal fan, I class myself in that "us loyal fans" group and I have not once felt screwed over by BioWare.
You argue that people just buy stuff because it's rampant fan-boy/girl-ism.  Did the thought actually ever occur that some people do enjoy the DLC they purchase?  You want to argue for / against something, that is perfectly fine.  But don't pretend to think you understand how / why other people do what they do, especially if you can't look at it without bitter bias.

[TheTrooper1138]

Icinix wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...
...if BioWare wanna sell their future stuff to me, they better make it worth the money and stop screwing us loyal fans...

I'm a loyal fan, I class myself in that "us loyal fans" group and I have not once felt screwed over by BioWare.
You argue that people just buy stuff because it's rampant fan-boy/girl-ism.  Did the thought actually ever occur that some people do enjoy the DLC they purchase?  You want to argue for / against something, that is perfectly fine.  But don't pretend to think you understand how / why other people do what they do, especially if you can't look at it without bitter bias.

so you actually think it is OK that they charge for stuff that would have been free before the "invention" of DLC and that adds less content to the game than the average mod? Or that they dumb down their games (ME2) in order to please the casual gamer? There is no justification for that, that's just greed... 

[fangedwolf]

I got this for the ps3, but other than getting the +/- approval, they really didn't do anything. Does the pc version of them actually have some sort of dialogue when giving them? There was none with the ps3 version.

[Icinix]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...
so you actually think it is OK that they charge for stuff that would have been free before the "invention" of DLC and that adds less content to the game than the average mod? Or that they dumb down their games (ME2) in order to please the casual gamer? There is no justification for that, that's just greed... 

Your opinion and mine are very differing. We could spam the hell out of the forums and I doubt either of us will change the others.  Just don't group people in one basket because you disagree with them.

[Estelindis]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...
I hope that was a joke... if not... :sick:

No, it wasn't a joke.  I was underwhelmed by both Warden's Keep and Return to Ostagar (and felt like using the emoticons you used above when Wynne and Alistair started flirting in the latter - yuck!).  I'm not sorry I bought them, but I hoped for more.  I really liked the Feastday DLC, partially because I had very few expectations of it due to its non-story-line nature (plus it was a surprise vs. waiting nearly a month more than I expected for RtO), but partially also because it added to my favourite aspect of DA: companion interaction.  It didn't add much, but it did still add something, and it cost very few points, so I'm happy with it. 

Ultimately, no one forced me to buy it, and no one is forcing anyone else to buy it.

purplesunset wrote...
Estelindis is probably one of those people who say, "I will eat whatever Bioware puts before me !!!"

It's
ironic, but what Bioware doesn't understand is that people who lavish
unchecked praise are often also the most fickle, and might soon become
apathetic as the emotions wear off.

It's like how a stranger is
often more polite than an old friend. The old friend is liable to
upbraid you if you make a mistake, but the polite stranger will praise
everything you do.

Bioware doesn't see it that way, so those with slavish devotion are considered their best fans.

...excuse me?  I've been a Bioware fan since Baldur's Gate.  I've spent years making free player and builder mods for Neverwinter Nights.  You don't know the first thing about me. 

I also don't know the first thing about you, but you won't find me claiming otherwise or trying to put you in some kind of category in order to validate my own opinion.  What I think stands or falls on its own merits.  The same applies to everyone here, including you.

Finiffa wrote...
So because YOU dont like it, she is not allowed to like it? ../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png
Right.....

Thank you!

Icinix wrote...
You argue that people just buy stuff because
it's rampant fan-boy/girl-ism.  Did the thought actually ever occur
that some people do enjoy the DLC they purchase?  You want to argue for
/ against something, that is perfectly fine.  But don't pretend to
think you understand how / why other people do what they do, especially
if you can't look at it without bitter bias.

Unsurprisingly, I agree with this completely.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on Bioware's releases, whether it's love, hate, or just meh.  We are *not* entitled to ridicule others just because they disagree.  If we can't have a civilised discussion about the actual game and DLC, then this forum serves little purpose.

Modifié par Estelindis, 04 avril 2010 - 03:14 .

[Mlai00]

If I want to see what happens to Companions at -100 approval, I just go into the Toolset and change a few numbers around. Takes 5 minutes and 0 dollars.

But I wouldn't do it anyways because that's not playing a RPG.

Besides, I could just look it all up via Youtube.

[purplesunset]

Finiffa wrote...

purplesunset wrote...
Estelindis is probably one of those people who say, "I will eat whatever Bioware puts before me !!!"

So because YOU dont like it, she is not allowed to like it?
Right.....

People can do whatever they want. If they want Bioware to say, "bend over and let me apply more KY jelly to loosen you up before further 'proceedings' " let them. It's their orifice, not mine.


If they want to buy snake oil, more power to them. This becomes a problem though, when it starts to affect me.

By buying low quality DLC that could easily have been made by a community modder for free, they are encouraging Bioware to do more of the same. Even if I choose not to buy it, the people who do buy it are giving Bioware an extra incentive to keep making it. In a case like this, it is not enough to simply refuse to buy, one must also  explain why they're not buying it. 

Estelindis is allowed to like it, but I am also allowed to ask her to raise her expectations before buying. If less people buy this frivolous stuff, Bioware will make DLC of real value, not things that modders could make for free. We both will be happy!

Modifié par purplesunset, 04 avril 2010 - 03:31 .

[Estelindis]

purplesunset wrote...
People can do whatever they want. If they want Bioware to say, "bend over and let me apply more KY jelly to loosen you up before further 'proceedings' " let them. It's their orifice, not mine.

If they want to buy snake oil, more power to them. This becomes a problem though, when it starts to affect me.

By buying low quality DLC that could easily have been made by a community modder for free, they are encouraging Bioware to do more of the same. Even if I choose not to buy it, the people who do buy it are giving Bioware an extra incentive to keep making it. In a case like this, it is not enough to simply refuse to buy, one must also  explain why they're not buying it. 

Estelindis is allowed to like it, but I am also allowed to ask her to raise her expectations before buying. If less people buy this frivolous stuff, Bioware will make DLC of real value, not things that modders could make for free. We both will be happy!

*massages my brain*  But I am someone who makes community mods for free...

Just try to keep in mind that people have many different reasons for liking things, and what you believe their "expectations" to be might have nothing to do with what their expectations actually are.

[SRWill64]

I bought this because it's like buying a part of Ferelden's culture...and that's good enough for me! No matter what anyone says! And it was hystericaly funny to watch Alistair play with GW puppet!

[Seagloom]

Mlai00 wrote...

$7 (WK) + $5 (RtO) + $5 (this) = $17.
No.

I wanted to respond to this first because it doesn't hold true for everyone. I paid only $3 for this DLC. I bought enough points at once to cover this and my planned purchase of Kasumi later this month. It might be a problem if someone *only* wants to buy Feastday, but it isn't universally $5.

Moving on...

As far as the DLC itself goes, I came away with mixed feelings. Let's get this out of the way first: I do not regret my purchase. Seeing no new animations for some of these was disappointing, but I still cracked a smile after hearing Sten's Lothering speech again and seeing a pidgeon ever present on Shale's shoulder; among other things. Zevran's chastity belt just about made me die when I saw it.

I was less impressed by the inclusion of unlimited non-character specific gifts and pranks that could raise or lower approval by 5 or 10 points a pop, without diminishing returns. Those gifts completely remove any risk of anyone ever hating your Warden unless you want them to. I had a huge approval deficit with Morrigan and decided to avoid these in lieu of standard in-game gifts. It felt unfair to buy a bunch of Sugar Cakes or Thoughtful Gifts and make her best buddies with my goody two-shoes Warden despite their polar opposite ideologies.

I've never been thrilled with how gifts play into approval in DA to begin with, and these escacerbate that problem exponentially. As it stands I ended up pranking everyone first, then gifting them, just to keep things balanced. Every DLC makes Dragon Age an easier game than it was before; first via powerful gear, and now through approval. This needs to stop. I want DLC to enhance my game, not make it even more of a pointless cakewalk.

On the whole though, I don't feel disappointed because I *did* enjoy this, however flimsy it was, and *will* enjoy it again in the future. Ditto on WK, which despite its length remains one of my favorite locations in the game. I just think game balance needs to be taken into consideration in the future.

I understand why everyone that dislikes this DLC does and their points are valid. We all have our breaking points where enough is enough. In my case, it was ME2's appearance pack. (Sorry, I won't pay for alternate outfits unless I love them and use those characters constantly. I might consider this in a fighting game for my main if I like the clothing design lots, but for ME2? No way.) I got what I expected from the Feastday DLC. No one misled me and I knew the price going into it.

Modifié par Seagloom, 04 avril 2010 - 06:08 .

[Finiffa]

Seagloom wrote...
I understand why everyone that dislikes this DLC does and their points are valid. We all have our breaking points where enough is enough. In my case, it was ME2's appearance pack...... I got what I expected from the Feastday DLC. No one misled me and I knew the price going into it.

Very true. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What I dislike tho is the way that some of those who dislike the DLC, like Purplesunset, behave toward people who do like the DLC. We "eat anything Bioware puts before us", we "bend over and take anything" .... those remarks totally put me off. So condescending, as if HIS opinion is better then that of others......it still is JUST an opinion.

Modifié par Finiffa, 05 avril 2010 - 09:12 .

[Seagloom]

Finiffa wrote...

Very true. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What I dislike tho is the way that some of those who dislike the DLC, like Purplesunset, behave toward people who do like the DLC. We "eat anything Bioware puts before us", we "bend over and take anything" .... those remarks totally put me off. So condescending, as if HIS opinion is better then that of others......it still is JUST an opinion.

I'm not a fan of that type of commentary either. It is crass, ignorant, and needlessly confrontational. I'm ignoring ME2's appearance pack, so clearly that statement does not hold true for me; yet I bought Feastday. I only buy DLC that has a reasonable chance of entertaining me.

Take Fallout 3, for instance: I skipped Mothership Zeta. Not based on any reviews, which later beared out my initial impressions, but rather by simply reading its product page and deciding it was not for me. I'm sure most people do at least that. As a rule, I do not take arguments presented in the manner quoted above seriously. I have no reason to consider the opinions of someone that cannot express their ideas courteously, and rarely, if ever acknowledge their views in those cases.

Modifié par Seagloom, 05 avril 2010 - 12:16 .

[Craig Graff]

fangedwolf wrote...

I got this for the ps3, but other than getting the +/- approval, they really didn't do anything. Does the pc version of them actually have some sort of dialogue when giving them? There was none with the ps3 version.

All versions also give useable items. On the PS3 or XBox you access these through the radial menu (left trigger) under Potions.