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Dear Bioware, A Comment on Military Protocol


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Roelandtstorme

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Mass Effect 2 is a great game.  I did want to mention something for future reference though.

In a certain character's introductory conversation with Shepard in the AI Core, which is excellent by the way, there is a guard on Shepard's right.  And there is a problem.

Please note that I am a serviceman, and our rules and regulations are strict, clear, and inborn into all of us in every branch of the military.

First of all, the Guard in this scene calls, "Ten Hut" when Shepard starts to speak.  "Attention" is a command, and there is no one for the Guard to be addressing.  Calling HIMSELF to Attention is like getting up from your couch to walk to the kitchen and screaming FORWARD HARCH!  You don't need to command yourself with marching orders when you're alone.  An entering officer may wonder why you are calling him to attention and, glancing over his shoulder, you better hope he sees another officer that outranks him.  Standing immediately to attention in this case, however, would be appropriate.
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Second, and far more serious, the Guard salutes with the wrong hand!  That's MAJOR bad mojo in the military.  If Shepard were real, the poor guard would receive an immediate, loud, and quite severe reprimand.  Such things are so intensly trained into us that there is litereally no way that any active serviceman would make such an error accidentally, no more than you would sit down and accidentally start writing with the wrong hand.
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Finally, in many cases in the game, civilians are seen saluting.  It is considered inappropriate, and in some places (like my squadron in Okinawa) it's considered rude.  It could be argued that, being the far future, military protocol may well have changed, which is unlikely since military protocol, at least in the matters we have discussed, haven't changed at all in the last hundred years.  A theoretical merging of nations into deep space (the Salute is different in many nations than the US for example) may have resulted in minor variations, but the fundamental basics, some of which we've discussed, would very likely not change.  Since militar protocol isn't consistent in ME2, that is therefore not a solid explanation. 
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I bring this to your attention with no condemnation at all since civilian game programmers aren't any more trained or adept in military protocol than they are at dancing...which is why dancing in almost every modern game is incredibly, incredibly bad (hehe).  Research, however is a choice.  It's clear when the research is ignored.
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Civilian's are likely going to respond to this post with various levels of "Dude, it's no big deal," or "Get over it...it's just a game," because they don't understand how important military courtesy is to us grunts.  But we military personnel notice such things like nails on a chalk board.  We grit our teeth every time a TV or movie serviceman enters a building with their hat on.  We can't help it.  It's how we were trained. That's why all the good military shows have "Miltary Advisors" in the credits.  You guys should get one in time for ME3.  I'll happily volunteer if you can't find anyone.
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Just wanted to bring it to your attention in the event that no one else has bothered.


Regards,

Roelandt
Retired Serviceman

Modifié par Roelandtstorme, 01 avril 2010 - 11:26 .


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Don Moar

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Hey,



Thanks for the information, Roelandt.



As you said, making those kinds of mistakes probably doesn't even register for most people, but for those who do they really stand out.



For example, the original line for Joker's mayday call during the game's opening sequence did not conform to international protocol and, being a bit of an aviation enthusiast, it really grated on me every time I heard it. As a result, I filed a bug and even though the line still doesn't conform 100%, it's a lot closer than the original. Now, I doubt anyone without an interest in aviation would have even noticed the problem, but hopefully those with such an interest appreciate that it's a close approximation.



I can't say we'll get it all right in ME3, but I'll pass your comments along.





Don M

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Don Moar

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@Darth_Trethon



Actually, I don't think Napolean or cavemen had protocols for making a "Mayday" call on their radios while in flight.



Also, the protocol for "Mayday" is international, so by definition Brits, Yanks, Canucks, etc. should be following the same format, providing similar information in roughly the same order.





Don M

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Stanley Woo

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I knew I "done a good thing" when I remarked that some dude was saluting with the wrong hand. It's a shame I couldn't catch them all. :P



I am a big fan of verisimilitude in media. Things don't have to be perfect in fiction, or conform 100% to the way things work in real life, but having it be consistent and seem like real life is always good. I feel just as strongly about the way computers and the internet are portrayed in media, and get a little annoyed when things work as if by magic.



My favourite show, NCIS, is, of course, exempt from my ire. :P

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Don Moar

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@Darth_Trethon



Maybe things like the protocol for a "Mayday" call or salute will change in the future, or maybe they won't. The air force is a (relatively) new branch of service yet it still incorporates some of the traditions of other, older, branches and I think it is entirely likely that any new branch, such as a stellar navy, would do the same.





Don M