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[incinerator950]

WarAxe7 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Shin Yodama wrote...

I hear you War Axe, it just jarred with me when I saw it (and he does it all the time) because my country's military doesn't.

Do you guys have training for leaving the military ways behind you when leaving the military? We have a bit in the US, it's minor...only a couple of weeks but they are there to essentially inform us that once out we need to be able to function in the civilian world and snapping at everything outside of the protocol you used to follow is not the way to go.

I see too many former military people still act like what they were ordered to do and their former status bears relevance on those around them.

I don't know why you're trying to be peacably inquisitive with us.  I still think you are the resident troll who would not relent his position even if Commander Shepherd herself (I play FemShep) were to land at your parents' house, waltz up to your bedroom, kick open your door leaving a boot print on the Twilight poster, and tell you, "Yes, Darth, in the future we still salute with the right hand... because it's tradition."

That being said... yes, many former military people carry around much of the experience, leadership, and discipline they learned.  You don't think it "bears relevence on those around them"???   Employers would disagree with you.

I wish I had a medal to give you.

[chem light]

Hmmm...twice I've said, I'm not sure how the rest of the world views something and twice I've had people tell me, "well the alliance isn't the US." Um....that's pretty much what I already said. Chillax people. If everyone's on the defensive thread's get very antagonistic and thus, no fun. I was just saying how things were in my neck of the woods and adding to the commentary.

[The Knights who say Ni]

First of all to the creator of the thread and any military personel who've commented on it, thank you for your service. And I agree that there is no reason not to go the extra distance in terms of research to make it more realistic. Even though the military may change 170 years in the future a military structure should be the same across all of the games. In the first Mass Effect the guards on either side of the bridge doors of the Normandy would salute you as you passed by using the correct hand. That establishes the precedent that should have been followed.

[Jaron Oberyn]

So judging by what you said, any civilian who salutes someone in the military is considered rude? I've never heard of that before..



-Polite

[Schroing]

The Knights who say Ni wrote...

First of all to the creator of the thread and any military personel who've commented on it, thank you for your service. And I agree that there is no reason not to go the extra distance in terms of research to make it more realistic. Even though the military may change 170 years in the future a military structure should be the same across all of the games. In the first Mass Effect the guards on either side of the bridge doors of the Normandy would salute you as you passed by using the correct hand. That establishes the precedent that should have been followed.

It's fully possible that the hand with which you perform the gesture simply doesn't matter.

[EternalWolfe]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

So judging by what you said, any civilian who salutes someone in the military is considered rude? I've never heard of that before..

-Polite

. . .

Thanks to your name, I now have an odd question of whether it would be considered rude or not for an assassin to salute someone before he kills them . . .

Not that your asking because of that . . .

[Darth_Trethon]

incinerator950 wrote...

WarAxe7 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Shin Yodama wrote...

I hear you War Axe, it just jarred with me when I saw it (and he does it all the time) because my country's military doesn't.

Do you guys have training for leaving the military ways behind you when leaving the military? We have a bit in the US, it's minor...only a couple of weeks but they are there to essentially inform us that once out we need to be able to function in the civilian world and snapping at everything outside of the protocol you used to follow is not the way to go.

I see too many former military people still act like what they were ordered to do and their former status bears relevance on those around them.

I don't know why you're trying to be peacably inquisitive with us.  I still think you are the resident troll who would not relent his position even if Commander Shepherd herself (I play FemShep) were to land at your parents' house, waltz up to your bedroom, kick open your door leaving a boot print on the Twilight poster, and tell you, "Yes, Darth, in the future we still salute with the right hand... because it's tradition."

That being said... yes, many former military people carry around much of the experience, leadership, and discipline they learned.  You don't think it "bears relevence on those around them"???   Employers would disagree with you.

I wish I had a medal to give you.

Except he got it all wrong, I'll post this again:

Employers look for people who can be on time, do their job, lead where
requried WITHOUT the stick up their behind.

It's true
they take into consideration military service BUT go in there and act
like you did in the military and you'll be back on the street in no
time. In the civilian world you don't yell at those around and you don't
fight like you used to because you don't have the authority, right or
leaders that can look the other way without getting fired themselves. In
the civilian world you don't have as much right through rank and you
need to be able to lead more through charisma.

The
point-rank system for picking up rank through E-5 is a complete joke.

[incinerator950]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

WarAxe7 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Shin Yodama wrote...

I hear you War Axe, it just jarred with me when I saw it (and he does it all the time) because my country's military doesn't.

Do you guys have training for leaving the military ways behind you when leaving the military? We have a bit in the US, it's minor...only a couple of weeks but they are there to essentially inform us that once out we need to be able to function in the civilian world and snapping at everything outside of the protocol you used to follow is not the way to go.

I see too many former military people still act like what they were ordered to do and their former status bears relevance on those around them.

I don't know why you're trying to be peacably inquisitive with us.  I still think you are the resident troll who would not relent his position even if Commander Shepherd herself (I play FemShep) were to land at your parents' house, waltz up to your bedroom, kick open your door leaving a boot print on the Twilight poster, and tell you, "Yes, Darth, in the future we still salute with the right hand... because it's tradition."

That being said... yes, many former military people carry around much of the experience, leadership, and discipline they learned.  You don't think it "bears relevence on those around them"???   Employers would disagree with you.

I wish I had a medal to give you.

Except he got it all wrong, I'll post this again:

Employers look for people who can be on time, do their job, lead where
requried WITHOUT the stick up their behind.

It's true
they take into consideration military service BUT go in there and act
like you did in the military and you'll be back on the street in no
time. In the civilian world you don't yell at those around and you don't
fight like you used to because you don't have the authority, right or
leaders that can look the other way without getting fired themselves. In
the civilian world you don't have as much right through rank and you
need to be able to lead more through charisma.

The
point-rank system for picking up rank through E-5 is a complete joke.

Actually, E-1-E-4 is the joke.  I was actually in the service, thank you.

[Darth_Trethon]

E-5 is still purely point based in the Marines, don't know about other services but to go to E-5 is strictly points. To pick up E-6(Staff Sargeant for Marines) starts to take more into consideration but not E-5.

[Digifi]

Darth_Trethon wrote...


Except he got it all wrong, I'll post this again:

Employers look for people who can be on time, do their job, lead where
requried WITHOUT the stick up their behind.

It's true
they take into consideration military service BUT go in there and act
like you did in the military and you'll be back on the street in no
time. In the civilian world you don't yell at those around and you don't
fight like you used to because you don't have the authority, right or
leaders that can look the other way without getting fired themselves. In
the civilian world you don't have as much right through rank and you
need to be able to lead more through charisma.

The
point-rank system for picking up rank through E-5 is a complete joke.

Wow, what military did you serve in and in what century?  Yelling is for basic training.  Fighting is reserved for your enemy (at least on duty...off duty, well I saw just as much crap in college at parties as I heard about the next Monday about 19 year old enlisted kids at parties...I'm sensing its because they're 19 and not because they're military).  Most of the officers and enlisted I've had the honor to serve with had none of the moronic qualities you describe while in the military and certainly didn't carry themselves in such a manner when they entered the civilian work force.

[incinerator950]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

E-5 is still purely point based in the Marines, don't know about other services but to go to E-5 is strictly points. To pick up E-6(Staff Sargeant for Marines) starts to take more into consideration but not E-5.

Yeah, the other branches do it by points, but our system is different compared to the Marines, who take it in statistically different.  As for Navy, which I was, E1-4 was merely a joke, and E3-35 had the "My rank is bigger, so my dick and ego is too" effect.

Ever have the Admiral/General meeting experience when you're both off duty out on Liberty?  Always hilarious

[Darth_Trethon]

Digifi wrote...


Wow, what military did you serve in and in what century?  Yelling is for basic training.  Fighting is reserved for your enemy (at least on duty...off duty, well I saw just as much crap in college at parties as I heard about the next Monday about 19 year old enlisted kids at parties...I'm sensing its because they're 19 and not because they're military).  Most of the officers and enlisted I've had the honor to serve with had none of the moronic qualities you describe while in the military and certainly didn't carry themselves in such a manner when they entered the civilian work force.

Largely depends on the unit and leaders but by the time I got out they were desperate to keep people from leaving the service and they were promoting so much that there were more Sargeants and Corporals than non-NCOs which was making things very difficult to manage because essentially the NCOs became the low-level troops so thre rank had lost its meaning. There were plenty of other issues as well.....and well....there's always one making things hard for everyone else.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 02 avril 2010 - 04:00 .

[incinerator950]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Digifi wrote...


Wow, what military did you serve in and in what century?  Yelling is for basic training.  Fighting is reserved for your enemy (at least on duty...off duty, well I saw just as much crap in college at parties as I heard about the next Monday about 19 year old enlisted kids at parties...I'm sensing its because they're 19 and not because they're military).  Most of the officers and enlisted I've had the honor to serve with had none of the moronic qualities you describe while in the military and certainly didn't carry themselves in such a manner when they entered the civilian work force.

Largely depends on the unit and leaders but by the time I got out they were desperate to keep people from leaving the service and they were promoting so much that there were more Sargeants and Corporals than non-NCOs which was making things very difficult to manage because because essentially the NCOs became the low-level troops to thre rank had lost its meaning. There were plenty of other issues as well.....and well....there's always one making things hard for everyone else.

I don't recall this problem, I remember having a problem with the Ratings though, getting the job you wanted was a pain in the ass.

[yslee]

Someone's got a real chip on their shoulder when it comes to the military. Mind you, I don't like it either, partly because mandatory conscription is in force where I am, so...



That said, I'm behind what the OP has said. It's a minor inconsistency that would've been nice if fixed. It's these little bits of detail and consistency that make the game world immersive and alive.

[wrexfan32hanalei]

darth trethon is such a d-bag that I'm leaving the hetero support group. the OP made a great point and darth is trolling so much that I don't want to be associated with him. by the way, wrex would know to never salute left-handed. wrex is so great...

[incinerator950]

Wrex wouldn't Salute left handed, unless Krogan picked up to Salute.



It's a game, in the future, with Aliens. That alone sets a precedent that should allow them to Salute how they want.

[killingsheep24]

You're all gay.

[incinerator950]

killingsheep24 wrote...

You're all gay.

Your mother was a hampster, your father smells of Elderberries. 

[wrexfan32hanalei]

wrex still knows whats up.

[incinerator950]

wrexfan32hanalei wrote...

wrex still knows whats up.

You know, Centuries of Combat, surviving a war with the Turians, etc, etc.

[wrexfan32hanalei]

exactly, incinerator950.

[UndercoverDoctor]

incinerator950 wrote...

killingsheep24 wrote...

You're all gay.

Your mother was a hampster, your father smells of Elderberries. 

That was rude and uncalled for.

[MyChemicalBromance]

I guess you butchers have to overcompensate in some area of civility.

[Grizzly46]

Some people takes this disciussion way too seriously and way to personal...



That said, I think that even if this is a sci-fi game and a sci-fi world/universe, I still think that attention to details is what makes any game (or film, or picture, or whatever) great. In this case, I don't think it is too far-fetched to actually ask for something so basic as a salute with the right hand. I say basic, because that is universal in every single military force and branch. Having it any other way would forfeit any resemblance to reality - for all we know, the mlitary might have picked up the old n azi salute in the future. But do we want to see that? Most likely not, so people use the old traditional salute. But if that is going to be used then do it PROPERLY, god dammit!



A lot of things change over time, but I doubt military personnel will stop salute each other.

[God_Emperor]

Does Cerberus count as the military? Aren't they a privately funded paramilitary group?



In any case the wrong handed salute was there from the original game, a occassional guard would do it as you passed by. There are other smaller details which don't coincide with military protocol, such as Shepard's lame face stubble which is a no-no in military grooming, but like you said yourself some of these things are largely taken as trivial by most.



Of course it also depends on which country's military protocols the game is based on, there may be more lax or just completely different rules depending on who Bio based it on and who you are familiar with.



Still agree with you, at least when Shep was in the Alliance, that attention to detail is always a plus for me.