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[Landline]

Seb Smith wrote...

Nice thread especially the comment that America has never lost a war, I guess Vietnam worked out as intended then?

Don't forget the war of 1812 and the Korean war. (In all fairness however, the Korean was isn't finnished yet.)

[Seb Smith]

Landline wrote...

Seb Smith wrote...

Nice thread especially the comment that America has never lost a war, I guess Vietnam worked out as intended then?

Don't forget the war of 1812 and the Korean war. (In all fairness however, the Korean was isn't finnished yet.)

Ha true but Korea was more of a draw, on on hold

Shin if you don't mind me asking what regiment were you in?

[Roelandtstorme]

"Traditions," "manners," "procedure," "protocol" and the like are all fancy synonyms for restrictions. I shouldn't have to explain the relationship between restriction and freedom.

Don't bother with this guy, fellas.  I think he's Darth Troll on a different account.  He uses the same level of clarity, logic, and consistency.

According to Darth Schroing, Traditions like romance or families raising children so they don't die on a street corner...

Manners like saying thank you to his waitress, or not spitting on the 280 lb ex-con's car while standing right next to him...

Protocols like knocking on his door before walking right in and taking whatever you want...

And Procedures, like driving 15 miles per hour on the street next to the elementary school as kids are coming out...

Are all restrictions and violations of what he believes freedom is (he think's freedom means anarchy and is therefore beyond hearing what anyone says unless it's vulgar, stupid or anti-social).  Following his incredibly asinine statements, I encourage the rest of you to remember what my old boss said about idiots:  Acknowledge, Ignore, and Move On.

[Shin Yodama]

Schroing wrote...
By definition, that's what they are. Your idealized vision of freedom is the problem here.

and your idea of freedom is the ability to do absolutely whatever you feel like?

Surely that would have to be true for everyone else too.

Can you not see a problem with that?

That would throw out finance obviously - I mean you would not want a simple matter of not being able to afford something to limit your freedom to own something, eh? And when someone takes offence to your idea of freedom? Who are you going to turn to?

[Shin Yodama]

Seb Smith wrote...

Shin if you don't mind me asking what regiment were you in?

Don't mind at all Seb, PM incoming

[Schroing]

Shin Yodama wrote...

Schroing wrote...
By definition, that's what they are. Your idealized vision of freedom is the problem here.

and your idea of freedom is the ability to do absolutely whatever you feel like?

Surely that would have to be true for everyone else too.

Can you not see a problem with that?

That would throw out finance obviously - I mean you would not want a simple matter of not being able to afford something to limit your freedom to own something, eh? And when someone takes offence to your idea of freedom? Who are you going to turn to?

That's what the word means.
Do you own a dictionary? Open it up.

[Schroing]

Roelandtstorme wrote...

Are all restrictions and violations of what he believes freedom is (he think's freedom means anarchy and is therefore beyond hearing what anyone says unless it's vulgar, stupid or anti-social).  Following his incredibly asinine statements, I encourage the rest of you to remember what my old boss said about idiots:  Acknowledge, Ignore, and Move On.

Ad hominem is fun?

[xDarkicex]

Roelandtstorme I just wanted you input on this

Schroing wrote...

Roelandtstorme wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...



Whats wrong with a civilian doing a salute, and is it still bad if they do it exactly the way its supposed to be done?

If it was done as it's "supposed to be done," the civilian wouldn't be saluting. It's nothing against the civilian, Dark. It's the uniform. By the same token, a serviceman cannot salute when out of uniform and, such as cases of saluting during the National Anthem, must put his hand over his heart instead in the same way civilians do if they wish. There is no protocol, policy or proceedure that I know of regarding a civilian salute (except I think among polititians). There are, however, courtesies. It's up to you and you alone if you wish to be polite or respectful.



Ultimately the civilian can do whatever he wants in public as long as it's not immoral, illegal, or indecent. Obviously what he does will communicate various levels of contempt or respect to his neighbor according to his desire. The recipient of the civilian's respect or contempt is free to react as they see fit as well...and that's where learning to play nice with people comes in. Do or say what you want, but the guy you tick off might be zealous about his right to retaliate. We don't live in boxes. We live in communities with other people...and that other person might be a valuable friend or unpleasant enemy.



For the most part, military personnel don't care what civilians do in regards to protocol because, as I said before, we know the civilian doesn't care. It's not appropriate to salute out of uniform, so if you KNOW that and "exercise your freedom" and do it anyway...what are you really communicating? And more importantly, how will that be received?

You're communicating that you're a fan of freedom.

This is what I always thought no one tells us Normal people that its a bad thing to do, I now know.

I honestly thought you where supposed to salute soldiers, never have myself because it just seems weird we had to do a different salute in boy scouts though.

[Darth Drago]

So here is a weird observation.

Why did it take until now to notice this when the saluting, at least uncovered happens in ME1? The soldier in the embassy lounge who is talking about the consort, salutes Shepard without wearing a hat.


So if India is the main country leading the world in the ME universe, then this image in this link should shut the door on the saluting issue. http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Galleries/Mod/

In China: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Liang_Guanglie.jpg
Japan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sugiyama_Hajime.jpg
Russia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_paratroopers_9_may_2005_a.jpg

Modifié par Darth Drago, 02 avril 2010 - 11:56 .

[Schroing]

Darth Drago wrote...


So here is a weird observation.

Why did it take until now to notice this when the saluting, at least uncovered happens in ME1? The soldier in the embassy lounge who is talking about the consort, salutes Shepard without wearing a hat.


So if India is the main country leading the world then this image in this link should shut the door on the saluting issue. http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Galleries/Mod/

In China: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Liang_Guanglie.jpg
Japan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sugiyama_Hajime.jpg
Russia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_paratroopers_9_may_2005_a.jpg

...In the Russia picture...is that...
Inspector
Jacques Clouseau?!

[Canned Bullets]

You're in the Military? Really? What branch? What regiment/division/battalion?

[Roelandtstorme]

Shin Yodama wrote...

That would throw out finance obviously - I mean you would not want a simple matter of not being able to afford something to limit your freedom to own something, eh? And when someone takes offence to your idea of freedom? Who are you going to turn to?

Haha!  Excellent point, Shin.  The Tradition of working a day's labor for a day's wage is a restriction and therefore not Freedom.  The Idiot should be able to be FREE and just TAKE money from anyone with more money than him.  If he has to work for a living, he's restricted.  This of course, natrually means that the aforementioned 280 lb ex-con is free to take The Idiot's money whenever he wants because to prevent him would be restricting hm and curtailing his freedom.

Ah, "freedom."

What The Idiot doesn't understand is, this IS a free society.  He IS free to spit on the ex-con (manners), wear a Denver Bronco jersy while seated in the Raider's section at the big game (tradition), drive right over the 3rd grader crossing the street (procedure), or shove past everyone in front of him in line at the Morbid Angel death metal concert (protocol).  He doesn't realize that in a free society, there are also consequences.  He WILL spend life in prison for killing the child, he WILL get beaten (probably to death) by the ex-con, he WILL get linched by the Raiders fan (possibly to death), and he WILL be brutalized (again probably killed) by the pissed off fans of Morbid Angel.

We can do whatever we want within limits of our abilities...but the presense of consequences doesn't make a society less free...it makes most of us safe, and The Idiot even dumber (or just dead) if he ignores them.

Bottom line, Idiot's are really really dumb.  That's why they're idiots.

[Roelandtstorme]

Darth Drago wrote...


So here is a weird observation.

Why did it take until now to notice this when the saluting, at least uncovered happens in ME1? The soldier in the embassy lounge who is talking about the consort, salutes Shepard without wearing a hat.


So if India is the main country leading the world in the ME universe, then this image in this link should shut the door on the saluting issue. http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Galleries/Mod/

In China: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Liang_Guanglie.jpg
Japan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sugiyama_Hajime.jpg
Russia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_paratroopers_9_may_2005_a.jpg

I love that "palm out" salute, Drago.

Doesn't the British salute like that too?

[Schroing]

Roelandtstorme wrote...

Shin Yodama wrote...

That would throw out finance obviously - I mean you would not want a simple matter of not being able to afford something to limit your freedom to own something, eh? And when someone takes offence to your idea of freedom? Who are you going to turn to?

Haha!  Excellent point, Shin.  The Tradition of working a day's labor for a day's wage is a restriction and therefore not Freedom.  The Idiot should be able to be FREE and just TAKE money from anyone with more money than him.  If he has to work for a living, he's restricted.  This of course, natrually means that the aforementioned 280 lb ex-con is free to take The Idiot's money whenever he wants because to prevent him would be restricting hm and curtailing his freedom.

Ah, "freedom."

What The Idiot doesn't understand is, this IS a free society.  He IS free to spit on the ex-con (manners), wear a Denver Bronco jersy while seated in the Raider's section at the big game (tradition), drive right over the 3rd grader crossing the street (procedure), or shove past everyone in front of him in line at the Morbid Angel death metal concert (protocol).  He doesn't realize that in a free society, there are also consequences.  He WILL spend life in prison for killing the child, he WILL get beaten (probably to death) by the ex-con, he WILL get linched by the Raiders fan (possibly to death), and he WILL be brutalized (again probably killed) by the pissed off fans of Morbid Angel.

We can do whatever we want within limits of our abilities...but the presense of consequences doesn't make a society less free...it makes most of us safe, and The Idiot even dumber (or just dead) if he ignores them.

Bottom line, Idiot's are really really dumb.  That's why they're idiots.

Oh, man.
This is just...too much.

[Darth Drago]

Roelandtstorme wrote...

Darth Drago wrote...


So here is a weird observation.

Why did it take until now to notice this when the saluting, at least uncovered happens in ME1? The soldier in the embassy lounge who is talking about the consort, salutes Shepard without wearing a hat.


So if India is the main country leading the world in the ME universe, then this image in this link should shut the door on the saluting issue. http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Galleries/Mod/

In China: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Liang_Guanglie.jpg
Japan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sugiyama_Hajime.jpg
Russia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_paratroopers_9_may_2005_a.jpg

I love that "palm out" salute, Drago.

Doesn't the British salute like that too?

Not sure, I only looked at the those countries to show that most of the world population uses a right hand salute.

[Shin Yodama]

Roelandtstorme wrote...

I love that "palm out" salute, Drago.

Doesn't the British salute like that too?

Indeed they do - palm outwards, coming to rest just above the right eye.



Note - the Brit is on the far right

Modifié par Shin Yodama, 03 avril 2010 - 12:36 .

[Fromyou]

i like how this is actually a good catch instead of one like why is joker wearing different hats. and why are salutes different

[Lake88]

Since we're talking about ME's consistency with boring 21st century stuff, i might as well spill some here.

If alliance space ships carry over our current naval traditions...

Shouldn't the restrooms be referred to as the 'heads'?
The elevator menu refers to Joker & EDI's happy-land as the cockpit, isn't it more accurate to call it the 'bridge'?
The above two are not even military terms. They are standard terms still used on civilian ships today.

And for warships...
I am not sure about this one, but 'Magazine' would be the naval term for Jacob's compartment. Armory is more for weapon/ammunition stores on dry land i *think*.
Again, the elevator menu refers to part of Deck 04 as 'Hammerhead Garage'. Garages are more for cars. 'Hangar' would be more accurate to describe holding areas for smaller vehicles on a sailing vessel.

And if you really really want to nitpick, Miranda's office is really a 'cabin'...

Modifié par Lake88, 03 avril 2010 - 02:32 .

[PARAGON87]

I'm glad BioWare is willing to fix their mistakes and trying to make the military traditions in ME consistent with real-life.

[Darth_Trethon]

Things CHANGE.....shocking I know....DEAL with it. Expecting saluting or any other bit of today's protocol to be the same in a world that is NOTHING like ours is the highest pinnacle of silliness I've ever seen.

Your precious military training and protocol, be it US or UK or whatever other countries' is completely irrelevant in a fantasy setting.

Now stop spamming the forums.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 03 avril 2010 - 02:48 .

[Marah_Fayne]

Darth: You're an idiot.

[Marah_Fayne]

...or a really good troll

[Darth_Trethon]

Marah_Fayne wrote...

Darth: You're an idiot.

I'm just saying what MANY others on this spam fest of a thread have said before but there's always those that think their way is the only way refusing to comprehend that nothing as functional today applies to the ME universe for a million different reasons.

Insisting for BioWare to do things in one certain way is ridiculous at best.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 03 avril 2010 - 02:58 .

[Sago_mulch]

I thought the military were just a bunch of pumped up macho men that spent all their time caressing their gun/shooting people(mostly terrorists)/being badass/getting laid or all four at once, not people who went on a petty debate about whether protocal would change.

They would be too busy shooting towlheads or pumping up their manly man muscles. Odviously the serviceman here is just troll, he ain't this guy - http://www.youtube.c...?v=eR7BHuNjIuQ.

Modifié par Sago_mulch, 03 avril 2010 - 03:02 .

[Bluerall]

Seb Smith wrote...

Landline wrote...

Seb Smith wrote...

Nice thread especially the comment that America has never lost a war, I guess Vietnam worked out as intended then?

Don't forget the war of 1812 and the Korean war. (In all fairness however, the Korean was isn't finnished yet.)

Ha true but Korea was more of a draw, on on hold

Shin if you don't mind me asking what regiment were you in?

US military considers Korea a police action, Vietnam wasnt a declared war, and the war of 1812 they consider a victory based on the battle of New Orleans even tho the war was over at the time of that battle cause England had to pull out to face the threat of Napolean on the mainland.
So the US military in their eyes sees it as No Wars lost
thats why I said   Supposedly