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BioWare. Do What Bethesda Did With Fallout 3 DLC.


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Andaius20 wrote...

What so you want them to retcon the ending of there story, the ruin the lore of there game by making easter eggs "official DLC" and other DLC's that add pointless FPS action that otherwise don't really have anything to do with the story. Also adding in pointless bullet spurge enemies?

Sorry but Bethsofts FO3 DLC are FAR from good.


You forgot rising the level cap without reworking the skillpoint system, which causes every not drooling idiot character to end up as an omnipotent god :P But that is why i wouldn't even imagine buying a console version of a Bethesda game ;)

Still the DLC is good, enough new areas and gear to justify the price (i love broken steel for the areas it adds, despite hating what it did to the ending), and most importantly, SEAMLESLY INTEGRATED TO THE GAME (apart from the annoying Pop-ups, i still have nightmares about the beginning of unmodded Oblivion GOTY edition :unsure:). There are no flashing neon signs  saying "THIS IS PREMIUM CONTENT!", also the Gauss Rifle or T-51b Power Armor didn't magically appear to my house, and the new gear isn't the best available. Yes, BioWare could take a few pointers from them.

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Yes, absolutely. Besides the horse armor misstep, Bethsoft's DLC is the best in the industry.

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I AGREE! yeah, that had to be in caps.



Anyway, Maybe Bioware could throw in a few missions and cutscenes actually making the Collectors/Harbinger an enemy worth fighting, like Saren.



Bigger DLC is far better than small DLC.

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Jackal904 wrote...

Fallout 3 DLC is a perfect example of how DLC should be done for a singleplayer-only game. About every couple months they released good sized DLC. DLC that lasts you a lot more than an hour. Even Operation Anchorage took me a while and that's their shortest and worst DLC (although I still liked it). All their DLC was fairly lengthy and had a lot of content and substance to them. I gladly payed money for them because they were worth every penny. I don't care about paying for DLC as long as it's worth it. I would rather have substantial DLC every few months that costs money, than free DLC every few weeks that I can beat over lunch.

Please BioWare, I want more ME2 as much as the next guy, but I would much rather have fewer big DLC than lots of small DLC.


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I'm not going to post on the quantity or playtime of the DLC.



What I am going to request is that the DLC expand upon the core game. If you include a cool new game addition that adds several new skills, and a dozen new weapons, make it expand upon the original game. Do not make it a stand alone little pocket dimension that has nothing to do with the real game.



I know this isn't popular among most ME2 fans, but I want a DLC that is nothing but a bunch of random encounters on all the bland barren planets. A bunch more combat missions, maybe some new weapons, armor and toys.......gosh knows it couldn't hurt to add a few more armor choices.



Not every content release has to be full voiced, I'd be fine if a DLC just added a couple side mission arcs that were 5 simple missions long or so.

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Its seems to me that Bioware DLC is much more difficult to produce than Fallout DLC. They need quality voice acting, writing, lots of animations, cinematic, more detailed environments, and more thought out level design. All that has to be at a reasonable file size. If you're going to expect the same production value Bioware usually puts in their games, then expect that kind of DLC to take a while to make.


I have no problem waiting. That's exactly what I want. I am willing to wait and pay for substantial DLC.

Shin Yodama wrote...

What I really want DLC-wise is more like 'Bring Down The Sky' - that was the best DLC I've ever seen.


I thought BDTS was ok, but if you think it's the best DLC ever then you are deprived.

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I agree with the OP. Absolutely. I hate microtransactions. But what Fallout had was more along the lines of small expansions.



See, expansions are awesome. Micros are not. Micros are like going to a carnival, and expansions are more like going to a big name amusement park like Disney World.



Game developers had it right years ago. Do expansions, even small ones. But not single missions. Not little items here and there. Spend time on developing a new adventure, a totally new story, or a continuation. An expansion.



Expansions > microtransactions

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Jackal904 wrote...

Shin Yodama wrote...

What I really want DLC-wise is more like 'Bring Down The Sky' - that was the best DLC I've ever seen.


I thought BDTS was ok, but if you think it's the best DLC ever then you are deprived.


BDTS fits in well with ME1.  It's nothing extrodrinary but it isn't some run of the mill copy and paste mission either.  It has it's own mission feel to it and is a welcomed addition to the ME1 game. The really cool thing with BDTS was the Batarians though. Was cool reading about them in the codex's and then finally seeing them in game.

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I'd gladly buy overpriced dlc that takes at least 5-10 hours to beat than these weak 20-45 minute dlc(zaeed and kasumi).  That way if we buy it like 10 more bucks than the dlc is worth then bioware can pay their employees and voice actors too and we'd get more things to keep us busy until me3

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FutureBoy81 wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

Fallout 3 DLC is a perfect example of how DLC should be done for a singleplayer-only game. About every couple months they released good sized DLC. DLC that lasts you a lot more than an hour. Even Operation Anchorage took me a while and that's their shortest and worst DLC (although I still liked it). All their DLC was fairly lengthy and had a lot of content and substance to them. I gladly payed money for them because they were worth every penny. I don't care about paying for DLC as long as it's worth it. I would rather have substantial DLC every few months that costs money, than free DLC every few weeks that I can beat over lunch.

Please BioWare, I want more ME2 as much as the next guy, but I would much rather have fewer big DLC than lots of small DLC.


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Indeed, in fact

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So, would you like it if they did something like Awakening for ME2? That is a really short expansion, about 15 hours worth.

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yslee wrote...

So, would you like it if they did something like Awakening for ME2? That is a really short expansion, about 15 hours worth.


That is more than 1/3 of ME2...I'd call that a really long expansion

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yslee wrote...

So, would you like it if they did something like Awakening for ME2? That is a really short expansion, about 15 hours worth.

I'm cool with that considering i personally enjoyed Awakening. As long as the ending isn't abrupt and has a decent story i am cool with it.

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yslee wrote...

So, would you like it if they did something like Awakening for ME2? That is a really short expansion, about 15 hours worth.


Nope wouldn't like it. The problem with Awakening is it was a totally seperate pocket dimension, totally divorsed from the main game.  It is fine that the super high level skills and items aren't backwards compatible, but the other new skills and class stuff should expand upon the old game, not be locked into a little stand alone game.

It would be like introducing a new skill line for each ME2 class, adding 17 new guns, but only allowing it for a 10 hour expansion use. Such a waste, when it could be used to expand the replay of the old game with a little effort in scaling, in the case of the weapons.

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yslee wrote...

So, would you like it if they did something like Awakening for ME2? That is a really short expansion, about 15 hours worth.


I wouldn't call 15 hours short since that's longer than most games. I have not played the Awakening, but yes, I would love something of that size for ME2.

Modifié par Jackal904, 02 avril 2010 - 03:50 .


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I would be ok with episodic dlc if all revolved only around wrex.

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I'd like longer, plot-driven DLC. Introduce some interesting NPCs and make the DLC feel as if it has an impact on the story.



In addition, fancy new weapons and items are nice, but they don't feel satisfying if they're just offered to you on a silver platter (As they seemingly are now). Working for and obtaining your equipment upgrades the hard way makes you feel as if you accomplished something.

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Indeed....

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monkeycamoran wrote...

Cris Shepard wrote...

it seems as though bethesda has a good track record for DLC..


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That was just offensive. But the character apperance pack is only a 33% improvement.

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Ugh, yea, SithLordExarKun, the ending for Awakening was not my favourite.



Kileyan, I'm pretty sure most expansions don't let you go back to the old areas. Or even if they did, you couldn't use the new skills anyway. I'm thinking about past Bioware expansions like Throne of Bhaal. It's been sometime since I played that disappointment of an expansion, so I might be wrong.



Batman90, yea, plot-driven DLC would be cool, but whatever plot in new DLC for ME2 would be something from a different track, since the main Reaper storyline and whatever other loose threads would likely be continued in ME3.



15 hours might be overstating it a bit for Awakening; maybe 12?. I still feel a bit cheated by the price for it, and I know I paid less for it than most here.

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similar to fallout would be welcome. large but few definitely beats small but numerous imo.

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I love Fallout's DLC too. all together they were about 20 hours long, same as Awakening. but in Fallout you got to go to many different places. For Dragon Age, one DLC could take place in Sten's homeland and we could learn about the qunari. Another could take place in Antiva where we would be involved with the Crows. Each DLC would be $10 and about five hours long. That would be fair IMO

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Even though I'm not a huge fan of Fallout 3, I'll give them props on their DLC

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Thanks for reminding all of us of horse armor.



My eyes need to be washed out again.

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monkeycamoran wrote...

Cris Shepard wrote...

it seems as though bethesda has a good track record for DLC..


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Bethesda gets way more flak than it's due for that. Can we expect BioWare to get the same now with their feast DLC for DA?

Probably not. :?