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[EternalWolfe]

Paulsim wrote...

Raniall wrote...

I like how he ackowledged that DLC is the future of the industry. People don't like it, but people have got to get over it. It's coming, hell its practically here, and there isn't a damn thing we can really do to stop it. 

Sure there is... don't buy it.

And someone please tell me what difference it makes if you are paying for content you download or paying for a code to unlock content. Who cares where it comes from. Ethier way you are paying for material you do do not have access to.

The final decision on where your money goes always lies with you. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

The difference lies in perspective - with content you have to fully or mostly download, people feel that they are getting something new for their money.  With content on the disk, held only by a code, they feel cheated - they already bought the game and disk, they already have the content, and then they have to pay money to access this content.

If you want even better examples, look at all the contraversy growing lately around DLC that is supposedly cut from the game so as to be sold as DLC later - or even on Day 1.  People feel that it was cut from the main game for the sole purpose of milking them for money - they feel cheated.

Perspective is everything.

[Crazy_Cat_Lady]

Shallina wrote...

They did it right with bring down the sky. So they know how to do it. After Bring down the sky I looked diffetrently at EA.

But For ME2, so far when you see the custom costum DLC, the few image improvement they managed to get was ruined in an instant.

Bring Down the Sky was for ME1 and Microsoft was the publisher.  Bioware wasn't owned by EA at that point.  And I hated Bring Down the Sky.  Played it once and haven't played it in any of my other playthroughs.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

I know the devs have said that there are Kasumi place holders on the disk.



The writer either has a story, in which case he needs to prove that more of Kasumi on the disk than he claims or he is a worthless hack and I won't go back to IGN sites anymore.

[slackbheep]

The author of the article made some decent points about the Bioshock 2 DLC, and I agree with him that the Cerberus network DLC has largely been a disappointment as it's been completely devoid of purpose or story. I also didn't find his comments about the Kasumi DLC heavy handed, he simply mentioned that some small portions of it were on the disc at launch, which is true I'd like to go a step further and say that even the "real" DLC we've gotten for DA:O and ME2 has been overpriced. $10/half hour is obscene.

[Paulsim]

Perspective is everything.

Exactly my point. Perspective, by it's very definition, is how YOU see things. Feeling "cheated" are YOUR feelings. How silly is it to feel cheated just because the product you recieve comes from a CD or downloaded. It's the same material, same price. 

[sammcl]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

I know the devs have said that there are Kasumi place holders on the disk.

The writer either has a story, in which case he needs to prove that more of Kasumi on the disk than he claims or he is a worthless hack and I won't go back to IGN sites anymore.

If you're gonna boycott publications for publishing lies you're gonna have precious few publications to read. Do what any sensible person does and take what you read with a grain of salt and understand that journalists make mistakes, as well as outright lie if they are so inclined. What this particular guy wrote seems like an honest mistake, i doubt he's got the technical expertise to pick apart game files, somebody probably told him about it and he wrote about it in good faith.

[Darth Drago]

Cool article, very interesting to say the lest and will really make me rethink buying any downloads by anyone except Bethesda. Anyone know the file size of Zaeed? It will be interesting to see how big the Kasumi will be now.

Love these two parts since they directly hit BioWare/EA:

“I feel like an ingrate for slamming free content, but with the exception of Zaeed, the scarred mercenary from planet Australia, most missions you get out of Mass Effect 2's Cerberus Network aren't worth the price of free. For a game that accents story and character, the Firewalker DLC pack is a short, empty headed vehicle shooter with the challenge level set to "snooze." Visiting the Normandy crash site (your ship from the first game, shot down in the opening moments of the sequel) has far more emotional resonance, while likewise remaining completely challenge-free. I seriously hope EA isn't counting on those two downloads to attract second-hand users. “

“For me, Kasumi's Stolen Memory is really on the fence. I'm ready for more Mass Effect, and I honestly don't believe her story was ready for the commercial release, but her file is still there, hiding in the disc on my shelf. I'm curious myself as to whether I'll ultimately buy in when that bit of content drops - or perhaps unlocks - next month.”

-“Zaeed, the scarred mercenary from planet Australia” ROFL! That need to be made into a banner for him.

[sammcl]

Zaeed's 498MB He sounds British to me though, not Australian O_o I'm starting to wonder if Americans have trouble recognising an Australian accent. I'm sure i read something about Fang from FF13 being Australian, she sounds South African to me though >_>

[BP20125810]

Nah, the article was good until he started talking about how kasumi was already on the disc. Welll what he didn't realize was that her charachter was on disc, but NOT her hour and a half long missions.

[Koomazaz]

BP20125810 wrote...

Nah, the article was good until he started talking about how kasumi was already on the disc. Welll what he didn't realize was that her charachter was on disc, but NOT her hour and a half long missions.

I'm not gonna take the time to re-read the article, but I don't believe he said that Katsumi was already on the disc for sure.  He's heard rumors, as we all have, but I'm pretty sure he said he's not going to judge BioWare/EA until we find out if Katsumi is a simple unlock or an actual download.

From what I've read, some files referred to Katsumi, but the mission was not there, and even her character model was not in the game (replaced by a placeholder).  So, I honestly don't think that BioWare did what 2K did and just did a simple unlock.  We'll see though.

[EternalWolfe]

Paulsim wrote...

Perspective is everything.

Exactly my point. Perspective, by it's very definition, is how YOU see things. Feeling "cheated" are YOUR feelings. How silly is it to feel cheated just because the product you recieve comes from a CD or downloaded. It's the same material, same price. 

I never said I felt cheated - I said that people felt cheated, I made no claim of my own on the matter.  As you say, its the same in the end - people who complain about it being on the disc assume that it would have been free if it wasn't decided for DLC, which is an obvious point with no real bearing on the matter.  But since it was decided to be DLC, you would still end up paying - in the end, it would have just been downloaded rather then unlocked, not free.

That said, perspective really is everything, even more so for PR - it pays to cater properly, even if the matter is insubstential.  Would these people have complained quite so loudly if the material had been downloaded rather then unlocked?  Some, yes, others no.  Then again, even bad PR is good PR, sometimes.

*shrug* doesn't really matter, I suppose.

[TheCrakFox]

sammcl wrote...

Zaeed's 498MB He sounds British to me though, not Australian O_o I'm starting to wonder if Americans have trouble recognising an Australian accent. I'm sure i read something about Fang from FF13 being Australian, she sounds South African to me though >_>

Zaeed sounds sounds South African to me. The name fits with that too.

[HTTP 404]

Its like crack dealing.  give a free sample here and there, once you're hooked you start buying.  instead of crack its DLCs for us.  Haha I admit Im a DLC head.  can't.....get.....enough

[HTTP 404]

TheCrakFox wrote...

sammcl wrote...

Zaeed's 498MB He sounds British to me though, not Australian O_o I'm starting to wonder if Americans have trouble recognising an Australian accent. I'm sure i read something about Fang from FF13 being Australian, she sounds South African to me though >_>

Zaeed sounds sounds South African to me. The name fits with that too.

He's british, its cockney accent.  Its the ghetto version of British accent.

[TheCrakFox]

EA_BiowareAccount wrote...

TheCrakFox wrote...

sammcl wrote...

Zaeed's 498MB He sounds British to me though, not Australian O_o I'm starting to wonder if Americans have trouble recognising an Australian accent. I'm sure i read something about Fang from FF13 being Australian, she sounds South African to me though >_>

Zaeed sounds sounds South African to me. The name fits with that too.

He's british, its cockney accent.  Its the ghetto version of British accent.

His VA is from London, so that makes sense. But I've never met anyone from London that talks like that.

Anyway, this guy writing the article seems to think the DLC we've recieved so far was on the disk. Did he actually look at the file size of the download?

[javierabegazo]

EA_BiowareAccount wrote...

TheCrakFox wrote...

sammcl wrote...

Zaeed's 498MB He sounds British to me though, not Australian O_o I'm starting to wonder if Americans have trouble recognising an Australian accent. I'm sure i read something about Fang from FF13 being Australian, she sounds South African to me though >_>

Zaeed sounds sounds South African to me. The name fits with that too.

He's british, its cockney accent.  Its the ghetto version of British accent.

Yep, his accent is definitely british.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

I figured Zaeed was British too, but then a lot of Americans and other foreigners get the British and Australian accents confused in my experience. Hence why I say "g'day" a lot when overseas.



Also the voice actor for Zaeed is indeed British. Besides, why would we need a grizzled old merc to represent us Aussies when we have the young lovely Miranda?

[MassAffected]

I'm one of the few people it seems that doesn't really care one way or the other. If its on the disk and I'm paying for an unlock code then thats fine, if it isn't then all the better. Money is money and I just don't really give a ****. I enjoy the game and it brings me hours of fun so I'll keep tossing money at BioWare/EA.

[javierabegazo]

From the article

So the first question is, since most DLC is developed parallel to the
actual game, are publishers releasing incomplete games and gouging you
for the missing pieces? Maybe.

What most people don't understand is that actually IMPLEMENTING the DLC into a game is much more complex than you think. I'm not talking about silly "map packs", but characters like Kasumi who, while they lack a dialogue wheel on the Normandy, still talk during missions, etc.

To actually make DLC possible, you need to have a couple of areas in the game that are prepped to accept the DLC. So DLC content like Zaeed and Kasumi need to be planned ahead of time. It's not as simple as adding a fighter to Tekken 15, is what I'm saying.

On that note however, 2$ for reskins of 3 characters in a game that features 12 characters is just down right silly, but that's me

Vote with your dollar I say

[javierabegazo]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

I figured Zaeed was British too, but then a lot of Americans and other foreigners get the British and Australian accents confused in my experience. Hence why I say "g'day" a lot when overseas.

Also the voice actor for Zaeed is indeed British. Besides, why would we need a grizzled old merc to represent us Aussies when we have the young lovely Miranda?

*prays for a Cajun squad member in ME3 *   :happy:

[TheCrakFox]

What is a 'British' accent, exactly?

Is it what people who actually live in Britain (IE: me) would call a BBC accent?