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[Mikeuicus]

I don't mind reasonable priced dlc whether its just an unlock code or totally new content...note I said reasonable. When I get nickle or dimed (like with the upcoming Mass Effect 2 costume pack) or flat out ripped off (Kasumi, MW2 "Stimulus Pack"), I get upset. $5 for Kasumi would be fair, just as $10 for the map pack would be the limit I would pay for it. Whoever sets these prices needs to get a clue.

[sammcl]

TheCrakFox wrote...

What is a 'British' accent, exactly?
Is it what people who actually live in Britain (IE: me) would call a BBC accent?

Hmm, i dunno what you refer to as BBC accent. I know there's many british accents, someone said Zaeed's was cockney and i tend to agree, maybe not purely cockney but most heavily influenced by it

[Raanz]

I'm not trying to pick a fight but participate in a discussion, there is my disclaimer.

I am always curious as to why some folks feel "entitled" to something when it is totally voluntary whether or not you purchase it.

[TheCrakFox]

sammcl wrote...

TheCrakFox wrote...

What is a 'British' accent, exactly?
Is it what people who actually live in Britain (IE: me) would call a BBC accent?

Hmm, i dunno what you refer to as BBC accent. I know there's many british accents, someone said Zaeed's was cockney and i tend to agree, maybe not purely cockney but most heavily influenced by it

The fake accent all the news presenters use:P

Listening to him a bit more, Zaeed does sound a bit like some of the gangstas in Guy Ritchie films.

[TheSeventhJedi]

Here's my two cents.  BioWare has always been awful when it comes to DLC (in the console world - back with NWN, well, there was a community too, so it shouldn't count.)  I see the recent DLC as them trying to make good on their original vision for the story.  If the DLC remains at this quality, sure, I'll be disappointed.  However, the good stuff takes a while to make, and I'm hoping that before the year is up, we'll get the golden goose - episodic content that bridges the gap between installments.  A guy can dream!

Also:  social.bioware.com/brc/683119

[7th_Phoenix]

Good points. Neat article, all I'll say.

[MassAffected]

Raanz wrote...

I'm not trying to pick a fight but participate in a discussion, there is my disclaimer.
I am always curious as to why some folks feel "entitled" to something when it is totally voluntary whether or not you purchase it.

Because they believe they were sold an incomplete game or something like that, to which I say "get over it". Don't like it, don't buy it...its that simple.

[sammcl]

TheCrakFox wrote...

The fake accent all the news presenters use:P

Listening to him a bit more, Zaeed does sound a bit like some of the gangstas in Guy Ritchie films.

Ugh, Australian news presenters all use a fake voice too, the other night i saw a snippet of ABC news there was an Indian presenter speaking in the accent, it seemed so wierd.

I think that sense of entitlement people have is more a fear of being cheated by large corporations. When DLC is on the disk, it feels like the developer, or more likely the publisher has deliberately held back release of the content just to get more money out of the consumer after getting them hooked on the main game. It's even worse when the new content is of lesser quality than comparable content in the original game, so after getting hooked on the good stuff they start selling you rubbish.

Content like extra guns and costumes is easy to determine a value for but story based DLC is more difficult. Zaeed was good enough for a free DLC, but he only had one mission while the other squad members had 2 plus a bunch of interactivity on the normandy. Bioware did a good thing giving us Zaeed for free, it sets an expectation of what the Kasumi pack will be like and the value we should place on it. If Zaeed was the first paid DLC and i was going off the main cast of squadmates, i would be disappointed after playing to find out i got about half the mission time of other characters and 1/4 the interactivity.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

You're crazy if you're thinking the content for Stolen Memories is on disc. Zaeed was? Then I downloaded 500mb+ of content for what?



Good article btw. I don't know what people has against IGN. Great source for gaming news and reviews. Can't say the same for Gamespot and Destructoid for example.

[Chuckonater]

I think a cool DLC would be a 15$ arcade multiplayer shooter against other players on XBL

[Raanz]

slimgrin wrote...
Not trying to pick a fight either, but I thought the article explained this point quite clearly: some publishers are milking the dlc. (inferior content for the price tag) And no, you don't have to buy it if this is the case. Many don't.

Nah, no fight here.
Well, quite honestly, that is what DLC is.  Milking a game for all it's worth.  A lot of companies do it, Gearbox, Bethesda, Bioware, Infinity Ward....they are trying to generate revenue with the least amount of work and risk.  That's what companies do.
Some just do it better then others is all.  The choice is always up to the consumer.

[MassAffected]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

You're crazy if you're thinking the content for Stolen Memories is on disc. Zaeed was? Then I downloaded 500mb+ of content for what?

Good article btw. I don't know what people has against IGN. Great source for gaming news and reviews. Can't say the same for Gamespot and Destructoid for example.

This is what I'm thinking. Why even download anything at all if its already there to begin with? If it was on the disk they would just give us a code or something.

As far as IGN and other game sites go, they are all the same to me. Just a place to catch the latest scoop and see a couple of trailers.

[MassAffected]

slimgrin wrote...

Raanz wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
Not trying to pick a fight either, but I thought the article explained this point quite clearly: some publishers are milking the dlc. (inferior content for the price tag) And no, you don't have to buy it if this is the case. Many don't.

Nah, no fight here.
Well, quite honestly, that is what DLC is.  Milking a game for all it's worth.  A lot of companies do it, Gearbox, Bethesda, Bioware, Infinity Ward....they are trying to generate revenue with the least amount of work and risk.  That's what companies do.
Some just do it better then others is all.  The choice is always up to the consumer.

Agreed. The perfect example is the latest dlc comparison between Activision and EA.  Both ME2 and Bad Company were supported with a fair amount of free dlc. Activision tried another route.

Bleh, don't want this to turn into an EA this EA that thread, but I like the "new" EA a lot and the direction they are moving in.

[McBeath]

A well written article, but I think he's a little jaded. I mean, really? Pissed off that we don't get stuff free or at launch? He's mad that there's a mark-up, or profit to be had?



Try buying a car, those things are way overpriced in North America, compared to what the actual cost in material is to make. Those guys make a killing. Gaming is no different.



Much like my Jeep, I'll drop a lot more money than they spent to make is just because I really like it. It's my choice as a comsumer. Same for ME2(the only game I bought for my 360 in the last 14 months.) If I found out it cost them $10 to make it and I drop $200 in DLC up until ME3 I'd consider that a good investment, I'll get a lot of hours of fun from that.

[MassAffected]

McBeath wrote...

A well written article, but I think he's a little jaded. I mean, really? Pissed off that we don't get stuff free or at launch? He's mad that there's a mark-up, or profit to be had?

Try buying a car, those things are way overpriced in North America, compared to what the actual cost in material is to make. Those guys make a killing. Gaming is no different.

Much like my Jeep, I'll drop a lot more money than they spent to make is just because I really like it. It's my choice as a comsumer. Same for ME2(the only game I bought for my 360 in the last 14 months.) If I found out it cost them $10 to make it and I drop $200 in DLC up until ME3 I'd consider that a good investment, I'll get a lot of hours of fun from that.

Perfectly put!

[Darth Drago]

Mikeuicus wrote...

I don't mind reasonable priced dlc whether its just an unlock code or totally new content...note I said reasonable.

-So your willing to pay to unlock something that’s already on the disc?

No matter what has been done or said by game developers many people will blindly purchase things for their favorite game. With this article at least it warns people that some game developers are flat out ripping you off and charging you for content that is already on the disk. The phrase “Buyer be warned.” comes to mind now more than ever when it comes to video games.

What’s next DVD’s/movie theaters going to charge you to see the last 15 minutes of the movie ? A book publisher charging you extra to get a missing 2 chapters?

I hope layers are already at work on potential lawsuit ideas to fight this kind of crap.

Modifié par Darth Drago, 02 avril 2010 - 05:03 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

sammcl wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

I know the devs have said that there are Kasumi place holders on the disk.

The writer either has a story, in which case he needs to prove that more of Kasumi on the disk than he claims or he is a worthless hack and I won't go back to IGN sites anymore.

If you're gonna boycott publications for publishing lies you're gonna have precious few publications to read. Do what any sensible person does and take what you read with a grain of salt and understand that journalists make mistakes, as well as outright lie if they are so inclined. What this particular guy wrote seems like an honest mistake, i doubt he's got the technical expertise to pick apart game files, somebody probably told him about it and he wrote about it in good faith.

Mistakes I understand, not bothering to do a Google search or read some forums before you write an article is something else.

[Raanz]

Darth Drago wrote...

Mikeuicus wrote...

I don't mind reasonable priced dlc whether its just an unlock code or totally new content...note I said reasonable.

-So your willing to pay to unlock something that’s already on the disc?

No matter what has been done or said by game developers many people will blindly purchase things for their favorite game. With this article at least it warns people that some game developers are flat out ripping you off and charging you for content that is already on the disk. The phrase “Buyer be warned.” comes to mind now more than ever when it comes to video games.

What’s next DVD’s/movie theaters going to charge you to see the last 15 minutes of the movie ? A book publisher charging you extra to get a missing 2 chapters?

I hope layers are already at work on potential lawsuit ideas to fight this kind of crap.

Again, if you feel that the product is not worth the money, then use your right as a consumer and don't purchase.  I can tell you that having stuff on the gold disk doesn't necessarily mean it was ready to go in, was tested at all, is just not placeholders for future expansion or added features.  If the company knew and had plans to release downloadable content later on down the road, but could add some of the assets for that content in the project at gold time, you bet they would.  It saves time and money down the road.

[TheLastAwakening]

Very good article about dlc and what not. Personally, if the publishers and dev simply put out good dlc like the fallout 3 dlc's that extended the game many of the issues that some consumers have with dlc's wouldn't be an issue. Like the author I am one of those people that are on the fence about the Kasumi dlc, however, given that Zaeed's dlc was a very good to me at least, I think that it was smart of bioware to make Kasumi a premium dlc.



Right about now, I need me some more ME 2 and I need a reason to finish my final class base play-through and Bioware if your reading this bring out the Liara premium dlc wink wink.

[Darth Drago]

Raanz wrote...

Darth Drago wrote...

Mikeuicus wrote...

I don't mind reasonable priced dlc whether its just an unlock code or totally new content...note I said reasonable.

-So your willing to pay to unlock something that’s already on the disc?

No matter what has been done or said by game developers many people will blindly purchase things for their favorite game. With this article at least it warns people that some game developers are flat out ripping you off and charging you for content that is already on the disk. The phrase “Buyer be warned.” comes to mind now more than ever when it comes to video games.

What’s next DVD’s/movie theaters going to charge you to see the last 15 minutes of the movie ? A book publisher charging you extra to get a missing 2 chapters?

I hope layers are already at work on potential lawsuit ideas to fight this kind of crap.

Again, if you feel that the product is not worth the money, then use your right as a consumer and don't purchase.  I can tell you that having stuff on the gold disk doesn't necessarily mean it was ready to go in, was tested at all, is just not placeholders for future expansion or added features.  If the company knew and had plans to release downloadable content later on down the road, but could add some of the assets for that content in the project at gold time, you bet they would.  It saves time and money down the road.

-I think your missing the main point. Companies have been caught for selling downloadable content that WAS on the game disk fully.

From the article:
“Not so where a three-hour tour like Beautiful Katamari is concerned. Ostensibly released as a budget title like previous entries in the series, Namco also dropped a bunch of DLC right at release... content that brought the play time up to full-game status and the price up to the standard $60. Then someone noticed each of Beautiful Katamari's DLC levels only ate up 384kb of hard disc space, way too little for what you got. That's because those additional levels were on the disc the entire time.”

“On-disc DLC is the popular new wrinkle on the same old gouge. Developers lock a certain amount of content on the game disc you already paid for, then charge you an additional fee to download an unlock code under the guise of buying the actual content. They don't mention this, of course, because it might sound suspiciously like they're cheating you. Which they are.”

“2K Games was recently caught doing exactly this with their Sinclair Solutions Tester Pack for BioShock 2.”

Your buying a game that you thought was the complete game only find out that the company that made it ripped you off and now you have to pay them to get the full game that you already bought.

When it comes to video games you just cant go up and look at the disk and know what’s on it. Its only after you buy that game and possible a few months later depending on when the downloads come out for it or by press releases, that you may find out that you didn’t get a full game. By that time its way to late. Every store I know, you can not return a game to get a refund for it if its been opened.