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[Gabey5]

considering most of beaten the 50 times .. they saved him on one of those plays

[Badpie]

rage9345 wrote...

I only saved Kaidan on one playthrough, because it was a female Shepard that had him as a romantic interest, all 4 of my other playthroughs I happily killed him. I couldn't stand that whiny Holden Caulfield wannabe. Ashley may have been a xenophobe, but she never acted like some emo kid; besides, Kaiden complained so much because he was living in pain, I cured his (and everyone else's) suffering.

I don't really get why people think Kaidan was a complainer or whiner.  I thought he was the opposite.  He was happy to open up to you IF YOU ASKED but jeez, Wrex whined more than Kaidan did "oh wahhh, the genophage blah blah."  If anything I felt like I had to prod Kaidan to get him to speak his mind about anything.

[syllogi]

I've played through ME1 at least a dozen times, and other than one Liara playthrough, I always romance Kaidan, so I've always rescued him at Virmire. Made sense for me, but I can't hate on Ashley lovers for saving her, they're my Virmire survivor-lovin' buddies.



I think it says a lot about the emotional impact of the first game that people are *still* making "who did you leave behind on Virmire" threads three years later. Being forced to choose, with no easy out like ME2, makes the decision a lot more poignant, and memorable. I am a little sad and bitter, still, that I had to choose between my favorite female character or my love interest, but they did a good job at pulling at our heartstrings, I'll give them that.

[Thundertactics]

I did, had to get rid of Ashley before she tried to bunk with me again against my will. (I'm just trying to be a nice guy, talk to you every now and then, that doesn't mean I'm interested in you!)
Had to be careful not to crush Tali's hopes and dreams of Shepard being interested in her. [smilie]http://img2.pict.com/88/b6/36/3288790/0/tali.gif[/smilie]
(As for Liara, I didn't even know where she was on the ship for my canon playthrough, so I didn't really need to worry about her)

Modifié par Thundertactics, 02 avril 2010 - 06:04 .

[RyrineaNara]

rage9345 wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

rage9345 wrote...

I only saved Kaidan on one playthrough, because it was a female Shepard that had him as a romantic interest, all 4 of my other playthroughs I happily killed him. I couldn't stand that whiny Holden Caulfield wannabe. Ashley may have been a xenophobe, but she never acted like some emo kid; besides, Kaiden complained so much because he was living in pain, I cured his (and everyone else's) suffering.

Says the guy with the Thean Avatr just pointing out that Thean does go emo a lot <_<

eh, Thane might act emo sometimes, but most of the time he's a bad-ass. Besides, I found his spirituality to be interesting, nothing about Kaiden really intrigued me.

Kaidan also acts bad ass too   Thane also has the background story of Carth Onsi

[Schroing]

Pros to Ashley; good voice actor.



...



...I guess she's also a soldier, so...that's nice?



Cons; everything else.



The choice is generally clear. At least Kaidan has a wang.

[Terraneaux]

While playing ME1 I didn't like Kaiden at all, but once I started playing ME2, and then went back to ME1 to get some playthroughs set up just so, I realized that I didn't mind him that much compared to some of the ME2 characters. So I have two playthroughs, one with my male shep who romanced Ashley, so Kaiden died in that one, but for my female Shep I kept him alive even though my character was after Liara.

[syllogi]

Badpie wrote...

rage9345 wrote...

I only saved Kaidan on one playthrough, because it was a female Shepard that had him as a romantic interest, all 4 of my other playthroughs I happily killed him. I couldn't stand that whiny Holden Caulfield wannabe. Ashley may have been a xenophobe, but she never acted like some emo kid; besides, Kaiden complained so much because he was living in pain, I cured his (and everyone else's) suffering.

I don't really get why people think Kaidan was a complainer or whiner.  I thought he was the opposite.  He was happy to open up to you IF YOU ASKED but jeez, Wrex whined more than Kaidan did "oh wahhh, the genophage blah blah."  If anything I felt like I had to prod Kaidan to get him to speak his mind about anything.

Maybe it's because I romanced him, but I don't remember Kaidan ever directly talking to Shepard about his headaches, only Chakwas mentioning them if you asked her about him.  If he did say something, it must have been very brief, because I've played enough times that I have his dialogue practically memorized.  He is the least "whiny" member of the crew, and only tells you about himself when relating his story to the current mission.  He's also the only crew member who tells you he's worried about you.  If that's what someone thinks is annoying or whiny, they probably don't understand friendship or social skills. 

[RyrineaNara]

Way to go Team Milky Way one of Kaidan lines, if you went and Renegade him which always made me laugh when I heard it on You tube. As you can see,  I saved him over Ashely any day of the week even ThoughT i LIKED Ashely.


To me, I never got the Kaidan is whiny part either. 

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 02 avril 2010 - 06:13 .

[carilynn46]

I kept kaidan around with both my single and kaidan lover shepard lol reason because i really couldn't stand Ashley she seemed always ungrateful and the way she felt about aliens meh If i was renegade probably would have been different... lol

[Jenova65]

I never ever kill Kaiden, if you take the time to A) Talk to him and Manage his levelling up (never auto level Kaiden, bad idea) he is a really useful team mate (esp those players who play soldier) he and Liara will take down Saren like swatting a fly! Plus he is the most likeable member of the team for me.

[Zanramon]

I kept him alive , Ashley was a racist annoying ****.

[rage9345]

RyrineaNara wrote...

rage9345 wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

rage9345 wrote...

I only saved Kaidan on one playthrough, because it was a female Shepard that had him as a romantic interest, all 4 of my other playthroughs I happily killed him. I couldn't stand that whiny Holden Caulfield wannabe. Ashley may have been a xenophobe, but she never acted like some emo kid; besides, Kaiden complained so much because he was living in pain, I cured his (and everyone else's) suffering.

Says the guy with the Thean Avatr just pointing out that Thean does go emo a lot <_<

eh, Thane might act emo sometimes, but most of the time he's a bad-ass. Besides, I found his spirituality to be interesting, nothing about Kaiden really intrigued me.

Kaidan also acts bad ass too   Thane also has the background story of Carth Onsi

By bad-ass I mean in the cinematics... technically everyone's a bad-ass in game, even Miranda in her pleather skin-tight suit and stileto heals, since they're all willing to kill and die for their cause. I guess Thane's intro is was makes me think of him as being more of a bad-ass, what with the whole snapping someones neck then quickly shooting two others without thinking about it, then suddenly going into prayer mode. Admittedly I'm prone to over-exageration, so you have to take my critique of Kaiden with a grain of salt. Maybe it was just his voice that made him sound whiney or something? Been a while since I played ME1, I just remember thinking of him as being whiney when I played it

[jlb524]

Never romanced either Ash or Kaidan in ME1 but I'll have some characters that have Kaidan surviving in ME3 and some that will have Ashley surviving. This way, I'll get to see both of them in ME3!



Yay!!!!

[RyrineaNara]

I like Thane don't get me wrong it just that I don't get how people see Kaidan as whiny even thought Thane to me is more whiny than Kaidan is. Hell, I hardly even heard Kaidan being whiny at all.

[TMA LIVE]

The first time I played the game, I kept Kaiden alive because I wanted to create some tragedy with my Male Shepard (since Ash was still a romance option at the time). After that, I always killed Kaiden, because I thought he was boring, and utterly uninteresting. Ash at least had more character, some interesting stories, and personal beliefs. Kaiden, on the other hand, had nothing but an uninteresting childhood. However, when I played female Shepard, he actually opened up, and started to be interesting. I still killed him though, because I wanted to create tragedy with my character. I somewhat regret it with female Shepard, because he seems way better then Liara at this point.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 02 avril 2010 - 06:22 .

[Draguling]

"Racist"? I would really consider the aliens as SPECIES. Perhaps some of you should study biology? :]

[Schroing]

Draguling wrote...

"Racist"? I would really consider the aliens as SPECIES. Perhaps some of you should study biology? :]

"Speciesist" doesn't really roll off the tongue.

[rage9345]

Schroing wrote...

Draguling wrote...

"Racist"? I would really consider the aliens as SPECIES. Perhaps some of you should study biology? :]

"Speciesist" doesn't really roll off the tongue.

I would just use "xenophobia", but that's just me. I have heard the term "speciesist" in arguements supporting vegetarianism, but never about aliens..... but that's probably because aliens aren't a common topic of discussion.

Modifié par rage9345, 02 avril 2010 - 06:30 .

[fortunesque]

I keep Kaidan alive in all of my playthroughs. He's my favorite character.

I don't understand where the "whiny" thing comes from, nor do I understand the "Ashley is racist" thing. There are so many nuances to both characters that require the player to think carefully rather than making a sweeping generalization.

Kaidan will mention his migraines with mShep only. He makes it a point to say that he'll make sure that it doesn't effect his duties. Does it? No. If you've ever had the pleasure of having a migraine, then you'll maybe gain an understanding of how little he actually whines. If you haven't, imagine the worst hangover you've ever had. Now imagine living your life where you have that hangover for 3-4 times a week.

Here's my analysis of why I save Kaidan on every playthrough:
-He's an officer; Ashley is not (Kaidan is one rank below Shepard in fact)
-He's a stable L2, as powerful as an asari and an extremely rare specialist
-He has medical training as well as training in electronics and decryption

In short, he's of more value to the Alliance than Ash. Clinical, yes, but that's how it is. Shepard can't put personal feelings in the way of the mission. (I want to note that Ash is my 2nd favorite character in ME1 and Virmire makes me super sadface whenever I play it)

[InvaderErl]

Kaidan has thus far survived 1 of my playthroughs.

[RattleSnake08]

I only kept him in one. I don't use him so it was no loss to me.

[Rodriguer2000]

i always kill kaidan even with my female sheperd

[Strike]

TeenZombie wrote...

Badpie wrote...

rage9345 wrote...

I only saved Kaidan on one playthrough, because it was a female Shepard that had him as a romantic interest, all 4 of my other playthroughs I happily killed him. I couldn't stand that whiny Holden Caulfield wannabe. Ashley may have been a xenophobe, but she never acted like some emo kid; besides, Kaiden complained so much because he was living in pain, I cured his (and everyone else's) suffering.

I don't really get why people think Kaidan was a complainer or whiner.  I thought he was the opposite.  He was happy to open up to you IF YOU ASKED but jeez, Wrex whined more than Kaidan did "oh wahhh, the genophage blah blah."  If anything I felt like I had to prod Kaidan to get him to speak his mind about anything.

Maybe it's because I romanced him, but I don't remember Kaidan ever directly talking to Shepard about his headaches, only Chakwas mentioning them if you asked her about him.  If he did say something, it must have been very brief, because I've played enough times that I have his dialogue practically memorized.  He is the least "whiny" member of the crew, and only tells you about himself when relating his story to the current mission.  He's also the only crew member who tells you he's worried about you.  If that's what someone thinks is annoying or whiny, they probably don't understand friendship or social skills. 

Silly girl, if any man has emotion or doesn't like bathing in blood every night then he is a whiner! Gosh!

[crimsonrhodelia]

LostJ wrote...

Collider wrote...

Male Shep, kept Kaidan alive.
I have no animosity towards Ashley, but I felt that because she was
a) Lesser rank than Kaidan
Not a biotic like Kaidan
c) Believed in God and heaven
d) wanted to redeem her family name
Ashley was the better choice for me personally.

Holy ****.. I had the same reasons (except d).

I romanced Kaidan on both my playthroughs, so that was of course another reason to keeping him alive, but everything Collider said above I thought of too, and helped me not feel guilty about leaving Ash. I really got the sense of how hard it was for her to handle her family's bad reputation and giving her the chance to reclaim her family honour felt like the right thing to do.