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[Zeleen]

klarabella wrote...

Zeleen wrote...

Fergus remarries, has a son - the Nephew of the King & Queen the natural heir to the throne - (after all the Couslands are nobility you know) wah lah - problem solved. or one of Alister's nieces and nephews, as his sister is VERY interested in money and power.

My favourite take on the issue.

I forgot to add that the nieces & nephews of Alister may provide a sub-plot to a sequel.....

[Addai]

Zeleen wrote...

I forgot to add that the nieces & nephews of Alister may provide a sub-plot to a sequel.....

If you mean Goldanna's kids, they're not Maric's relation or even noble, so not sure how it would affect any question of inheritance.  It would be interesting to meet Goldanna or her kids again in some plot, though.

[Srau]

Aye, Goldanna is only Alister's half sister by his mother and she doesn't have a single drop of nobility in her blood making this side not possible xept maybe if one of her child becomes some sort of *new* River Dane super hero during a war and is granted nobility.

[Zeleen]

Addai67 wrote...

Zeleen wrote...

I forgot to add that the nieces & nephews of Alister may provide a sub-plot to a sequel.....

If you mean Goldanna's kids, they're not Maric's relation or even noble, so not sure how it would affect any question of inheritance.  It would be interesting to meet Goldanna or her kids again in some plot, though.

You're right I am thinking that Goldanna will raise her kids as a thorn in Alister's back.  And that there would be some interesting story lines there.   The other thought I had was Nathaniel's family - some how a marriage between a Howe and a Couslan would bring the two families of highest nobility together for a strong aliance.  there I go a wandering again......

[Raiil]

I'm surprised that no one else is looking for other descendants. Unless there's some sort of hard and fast rule that the Theirin line has somehow only managed to have one child per generation (something I doubt, since Queens are usually expected to provide, at the very least, the heir and the spare), there have to be other aristocratic families that a non-heir Theirin line married into. The bloodline would be more remote, but it would still exist and they'd have 'noble' blood to carry on the line.

[Thor Rand Al]

Or take Goldanna completely out of the picture because if Alistair is Fiona's then Goldanna is not his sister, therefore she plays no part in the future. And more than likely Alistair is Fiona's.

[Raiil]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Or take Goldanna completely out of the picture because if Alistair is Fiona's then Goldanna is not his sister, therefore she plays no part in the future. And more than likely Alistair is Fiona's.

I really hope he is. Not just because I'm fond of Fiona,  but because my PC won't feel guilty about day dreaming about slapping the **** out of her. Ungrateful wench.

[Thalorin1919]

Alot of solutions really.



If Alistair and the HFN cant produce a child, at all. I am sure they will appoint an heir in which the Landsmeet will agree on before they go to there calling.



My best bet would be Fergus. He is the brother to the Queen, and by then he will most likely have a wife and have children. Also the Couslands are one of the most powerful families in Ferelden, so I think people would agree to a Cousland.



But it would have to be someone everyone would agree on. If it were up to me, I would personally appoint either Fergus or Bann Teagan. They are both close to the blood of nobility, and are both probably popular with the people.

[IanPolaris]

I personally think that if a Female Warden Marries Alistair, the best way to do it would be to have Zevran step up to the plate. It's not impossible (just difficult) to have one warden conceive/sire a child and if the Queen gets pregnant, and says it's the King's, who is going to say otherwise? (Esp since Zevran's kid would be human in this case).



-Polaris

[Cypher0020]

I like how one poster said it could be Fergus that could be the next king ...... but would that really start a civil war?



I'm weird, but out of all the options I'd nominate Teagan as Regent and eventual King

[LillithMabon]

I dont recall anything that says they cant have children. the way I read what Alistair said is that he has never known a GW to have a child after the joining. That statement does not mean it is not possible. Did I read that incorrectly?

[kaimanaMM]

LillithMabon wrote...

I dont recall anything that says they cant have children. the way I read what Alistair said is that he has never known a GW to have a child after the joining. That statement does not mean it is not possible. Did I read that incorrectly?

I'd have to dig for it, but David Gaider confirmed in a post a while back that two Grey Wardens cannot have children. 

[Miri1984]

Considering the few numbers of Grey Warden women, it's not surprising that TWO grey wardens very rarely get pregnant! Alistair says it's *almost impossible* but that doesn't mean it's not possible at all. Nowhere does it say absolutely that they can't have children at all.

[Efesell]

Miri1984 wrote...

Considering the few numbers of Grey Warden women, it's not surprising that TWO grey wardens very rarely get pregnant! Alistair says it's *almost impossible* but that doesn't mean it's not possible at all. Nowhere does it say absolutely that they can't have children at all.

http://social.biowar...455504/2#455902

[Zeleen]

IanPolaris wrote...

I personally think that if a Female Warden Marries Alistair, the best way to do it would be to have Zevran step up to the plate. It's not impossible (just difficult) to have one warden conceive/sire a child and if the Queen gets pregnant, and says it's the King's, who is going to say otherwise? (Esp since Zevran's kid would be human in this case).

-Polaris

Half human/ half elf?  I think the people will know

[nos_astra]

Zeleen wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

I personally think that if a Female Warden Marries Alistair, the best way to do it would be to have Zevran step up to the plate. It's not impossible (just difficult) to have one warden conceive/sire a child and if the Queen gets pregnant, and says it's the King's, who is going to say otherwise? (Esp since Zevran's kid would be human in this case).

-Polaris

Half human/ half elf?  I think the people will know

No, they won't. That's DA lore.

[BroBear Berbil]

They do seem to enjoy destroying lineages in Dragon Age. Regardless of whether you marry Alistair or not the Theirin line would seem to be doomed. There's no indication that Alistair will have any success in creating an heir with even a untainted woman, add to this Alistair's character - his shyness and romanticism and the prospects of having a child with some random noblewoman he must marry would seem even worse. Eamon preaches the importance of saving the Theirin line, how they protected it during the occupation, and how he doesn't want to see it die out just one generation later but it seems that that is the way it will play out anyway.



The Mac Tirs are doomed too. Anora is the only one and it seems like RtO suggests she is infertile. She's not the most affectionate wife if you're a HMN (that's not to say she doesn't genuinely care about you) and if you don't marry her she never marries again.



It's pretty much all up to Fergus to remarry and have as many children as possible to save the Cousland name and Teagan to do the same to save the Guerrins.

[Cypher0020]

Yaaaay....I think? Uhhh... well in my plotland Teagan's wife is alive so there's always a chance



It just really sucks to be Fergus.... everything was sunshine and roses before he left....

[SarEnyaDor]

LOL - you JUST realized it sucks to be Fergus, it didn't suck to be Fergus about 10 minutes into the HN Origin?

<- This HNF is married to Alistair, but she fully plans on visiting Teagan until she produces a royal heir...

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 06 avril 2010 - 02:51 .

[SurelyForth]

Cypher0020 wrote...

It just really sucks to be Fergus.... everything was sunshine and roses before he left....

Being Fergus, he seems to deal with it all pretty well, though. I just wonder how long it will take him to move on and remarry.

[sylvanaerie]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Alot of solutions really.

If Alistair and the HFN cant produce a child, at all. I am sure they will appoint an heir in which the Landsmeet will agree on before they go to there calling.

My best bet would be Fergus. He is the brother to the Queen, and by then he will most likely have a wife and have children. Also the Couslands are one of the most powerful families in Ferelden, so I think people would agree to a Cousland.

But it would have to be someone everyone would agree on. If it were up to me, I would personally appoint either Fergus or Bann Teagan. They are both close to the blood of nobility, and are both probably popular with the people.

And both are relatively young enough to make more heirs.

[UrsulaCousland]

To be honest, I'm a little bemused by the 'heir' fuss, given that the Crown's power is basically derived from the Landsmeet in the first place. Yes, for continuity's sake, a bloodline heir would make sense, and I can see how *hereditary nobles* would support it, but there does seem to be an inconsistency.



The Codex hints that the Landsmeet is the "Check and Balance" on the Crown in that past Ferelden monarchs have been seen 'working' the landsmeet for support after becoming Monarch, and not just before. (I don't remember off the top of my head which entry that was, but...)



In any case, I'd guess that an acceptable declaration of heir (i.e. Fergus, Teagan, their progeny, etc.) would probably satisfy the Landsmeet, and if that doesn't answer the question of inheritance, then the system of Landsmeet/Crown Authority has broken down, and anyone's guess is as good as anyone's else's.



Of course, I'm in the camp that Grey Wardens have no business being *monarchs* and vice versa, but that's just me, and I may be biased. Heck, my 'main' character wasn't comfortable with the Arlessa title that came with Warden Commander for similar reasons, and may be looking to ditch it off on someone suitable.

[Gill Kaiser]

It's not impossible for two Wardens to have kids, just incredibly unlikely. The more sex they have, the greater the chance. That's the philosophy my HNF took

Besides that, Alistair has his demon baby, and if he really needs an official heir my character could always let him sire a child with a mistress.

[errant_knight]

It seems pretty clear that a future storyline will involve the lack of an heir, no matter who is on the throne, so I think it's a moot point in terms of the royal line, no matter who rules. I suspect that an heir will turn up who's decended from Maric and Fiona. Then there's Morrigan's little godling.

Fergus is still a young man. He will almost certainly remarry and produce little Couslands. Or Eleanor will come back from the grave and twist his ear off!

Modifié par errant_knight, 07 avril 2010 - 02:16 .

[Wonderllama4]

Alistair would forced to bang Anora I suppose.