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[Wishpig]

EDIT- I'm trying to shy away from debaiting the game's problem, although if they relate to your point thats fine. The OP at least, is more focused on why this community gives such negitive feedback compared to many other forums and sites.

DOUBLE EDIT- Up to this point everyone has been very civil and given great responses. I appreciate it!

I've been part of the bioware forums for a long long time longer then even this username (this is my 2nd username... lost the info to my first it's been so long!.)

I don't know whats happened to these forums. I noticed a strange shift when Dragon Age came out. Many prob have forgotten by now, and only the fans really remain, but what Origins was released there was allot of flaming and allot of hate.Then ME2 came out, and jesus christ, if someone based their opinions soley on the forums, one would think ME2 sucked BIG TIME. Of course, save for those extremely close minded, we know Mass Effect 2 sold great and was very well recieved by fans and critics... depsite what the official forums would have you beleave.

Then comes along Awakening. I take critic reviews with a grain of salt. In truth I put far more importance on what the community thinks. Obviously, the community on these forums is pretty split over awakening. Some love, some hate... with no clear majority opinion.

But i noticed something, user reviews on pretty much everyother site I've visted have been without a doubt very positive towards awakening. "Gamer Scores" on ign.com average out to an 8.4 out a mere 66 reviews. Far more impressive is the 8.3 average on gamespot based on an impressive 600+ reviews. THATS ALLOT of people who liked this game.

What gives? Why have these forums become so damn cynical? Once I put faith in these forums, but now I dunno, but ever since ME2 specifically, people seem so negative. I also can't help but notice they attitudes shifted after bioware started making deals with EA... perhaps the cause??? Many seem to think they sold out.

Personally I'm afraid the devs will start to strait out ignore us. It seems that their games are getting impressive praise everywhere but these forums... where they seem to get bashed left and right.

Mah, I know this post will prob draw some major flamage, but it was on my mind, and I wanna see what others think. Why do these forums constantly seem to rip on bioware games, where else where outside these forums they recieve mostly praise.

Modifié par Wishpig, 03 avril 2010 - 02:16 .

[David Gaider]

WARDEN9652 wrote...
some of the things on these boards are just inexcusable, what good is it going to do the company or the community to just downgrade them or others just to make a complaint heard?

My impression is that many people on the internet come to think that the laws of social interaction are different here than in real life. They appear to think that because they believe they have a point everyone is thus required to pay attention -- no matter how they've presented it. Being rude, insulting or even incoherent is just noise to them; the mere fact that THEY ARE RIGHT means others must listen no matter what.

And of course that does not happen. If you were to walk up to someone in real life and yell at or insult them, they wouldn't listen to your argument no matter how good you thought it was. If you walked into a store and started insulting the staff or shouting at the other customers, you would be asked to leave no matter how justified you thought your beef was or how many times you had shopped there.

Yet it is supposed to be different here? Of course it isn't.

There are a lot of thoughtful, discerning folks who come to the forums -- sometimes to offer their thoughts, sometimes to offer their criticism or their praise. Regardless of which it is, if it is politely offered and intelligent it will be received as gladly as if someone had offered it to us in real life. That is one's opportunity to be persuasive when it comes to the developers -- and persuasion is the opportunity that the forums offer you, even if some (or many?) people approach the idea with a much greater sense of entitlement. And, of course, some people don't come here intending to be persuasive at all.

For those who fit into the category of offering their thoughtful praise and criticism, it is appreciated -- and read by more people at Bioware than you might think, even if few of them are eager to wade into the mire to actually post (and even if we are never able to take it all in -- we do have jobs, after all). But if anyone is concerned, rest assured that we don't take the rage personally. We understand that fans are fans because they're passionate about what they love -- even if also occasionally a little deranged.

Modifié par David Gaider, 03 avril 2010 - 05:50 .

[David Gaider]

Mintyone wrote...
@the bioware poster

Its more than a little late to be taking the high ground, when you v shown yourself to be a hypocritical **** that refuses to even acknowledge the tons and tons of negative criticism and very well argued accusations of being a bunch of moneygrabbing sellouts.

Start acknowledging peoples concerns in the negative threads, as well as the fanboy ones, and perhaps your claims of being serious about anything other than the short-term bottom line would be believable.


incredible.

Edit: It really is ironic that you bring up face-to-face communication vs online. You really think ignoring peoples anger at being f-ing ripped off would be wise if they were actually withing striking distance? Hypocrites.

Case in point.

Yrkoon wrote...
I, for one, see no need to play the part of
the advice-giving critiquer.  Bioware/EA doesn't pay me  to "help" them
out. And that being the case, when they  release some turd DLC or rushed
 expansion, they're going to get the unhelpful side of me. 
(aka.   consumer outrage.  What an alien concept!)  Ditto  with the
slow-coming patches, and moronic, overhyped "epic community events", and
April fools  gag-gift addons that they have the audacity to try and  
charge their  loyal community for..

People continue to advocate 
the diplomat approach, as if we're sitting in an office talking to a
human being across the room from us.  We are NOT.  We're trying to get
through to a massive corporation.  You don't "construtively criticise' a
sightless,  faceless entity.  You light a fire under its ass  until it
takes notice.

If it makes you feel better, by all means.

Modifié par David Gaider, 04 avril 2010 - 09:12 .

[David Gaider]

Baher of Glory wrote...
With this conclusion you are very right. But that applies for both sides. Just to ignore people days and weeks and then show up in a "positive" thread... well, that's a sign.

It's not up to me to lecture you, but perhaps it's worth to check this:
http://en.wikipedia....xcellence_Model

Not so long ago I considered BioWare as an "excellent organization" and I DO hope, that it will be one again.

If one is to base our excellence or lack thereof on how much we come to these forums to answer every concern or question, then sure. We don't do that, however, and never have. If you choose to look upon our lack of communication as us not doing anything at all, then so be it.

As for what is going to be done to address the concerns that are raised here, I'll leave that to the folks whose responsibility it is. So you're not going to see me running to threads to assuage anyone's concerns because I personally have no info to offer. I'm sure that when more info is available from the team, you'll hear about it then.

And since I am now apparently being singled out as a target, I think I'll just leave this thread alone and go back to work. I've made my point, for what it's worth (which doesn't seem to be much, not that I really expected it to).