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[Gilsa]

Hey, PC users, check out this mod (just came out today). In a nutshell, the author is tweaking the preset faces to improve on the original models somewhat. So far, it's just the dwarf females that have been released. I downloaded it to have a look and I like what I see in the character creator. Some of her pictures are not doing them justice. The default model that I hated the most was #8 because I couldn't create a decent looking dwarf with that base (via playing with sliders) and I like what she's replaced it with. That one is actually closer to looking like Rica's sister and I would have used that as my Brosca face if I had access to it before now. I like that she just improves on some things rather than replace them entirely -- like the default dwarves are good enough in the first place! (I've seen some mods where plastic changes are so drastic they don't look natural.)



http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=1181

[Sarah1281]

Conzuela wrote...

Mmm, awesome mod link, Gilsa. I'm still trying to formulate my new Lady Aeducan, wondering if I should use one of these or try to figure out a way to make a more feminine variation of the distinct looks the other Aeducan family members have.

Definitely get a smaller nose. Seriously, you'd think they'd have tried to breed those out by now, it's kind of distracting just how huge it is...

[Gilsa]

It's funny you say that because my first dwarf, I intentionally gave her a bigger nose and square jaw and stuff to make her look like a proper dwarf and all. And then I "go along" with the Alistair romance and didn't expect to be drawn in like that emotionally and when he says, Maker's breath, you're beautiful, that certainly made me pause because I wasn't trying to make her beautiful -- just tough and gruff. I decided to reroll her as prettier later on so I could actually believe him when he gave that compliment again.

[Radahldo]

Endrin, Trian and Bhelen have really huge noses. Moreover, I think the exact shape is only avaliable on one preset for a DNM, at it happens to be the one preset where you can't remove the stubble.

Modifié par Radahldo, 05 mai 2010 - 01:08 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Out of curiosity, how many of you RP an Aeducan who was close to Bhelen? I just started a new game with DN (I blame this thread), and RPed him to be very close to Bhelen (who said "You've always been there for me") as opposed to him being quite distant and antagonistic towards Trian.

I think this would add more emotion to what happens to the DN. On one hand, the brother that he liked most backstabbed him. On the other, the brother that he took under his wing and taught him a thing or two (This is how I RP it), learned well and even surpassed his quasi-mentor.

As a variant question, how many of you tried to be nice to Trian? I find that almost impossible.

[soignee]

it's really, really hard to be nice to Trian. The man is an utter c*ck. Bhelen on the other hand, it's far too easy to be nice, as you know... he's the harmless younger sibling, only there to watch your back. Obviously.

[Gilsa]

I am the oldest child in my family and the dynamics that Bhelen and Trian presented were very believable. My middle sibling is a very take-charge person (just like my dad) while the youngest sibling goes with the flow. He's actually a pretty smart kid, but he flies under the radar on purpose. So my middle, very bossy sibling is just like Trian in giving orders and telling what to do. We all tell each other off and are not shy about our opinions and we forget about it 10 minutes later -- water off a duck's back. So my DN had great love towards both Trian and Bhelen, not really taking the squabbling personally. My youngest sibiling puts up with everyone in the family and often allies himself with me ("ugh, getting tired of middle child's crap"). My father has drummed into us that family is sacred -- they are all you have in this world. You cannot be fighting with them. (Side note: I moved in with my grandmother when I went to college to save on money, but things got tense when she started gossiping about my comings and goings on the phone to anyone who would listen to a bored and lonely old woman -- I was becoming fodder for her drama and stopped talking to her altogether. My dad said that I couldn't be fighting with her and that it's better to move out than let a relationship go sour.) So that's why Bhelen's betrayal cut deep for my DN. He wiped out my whole family (so to speak) and threw away what was important.



I have to remember this is dwarf politics so I just remember what it was like for my younger siblings to be under my shadow while I was growing up. A few times I had been accused of being the favorite child, but that was just their perspective -- they got away with a lot more than I did. So I try to sympathize with why Bhelen had to clean house in order to get anything done for the dwarven people. It's not personal -- we were just collateral damage.



I was never nice to Trian. You don't talk to Gorim like that, f-you.

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Out of curiosity, how many of you RP an Aeducan who was close to Bhelen? I just started a new game with DN (I blame this thread), and RPed him to be very close to Bhelen (who said "You've always been there for me") as opposed to him being quite distant and antagonistic towards Trian.
I think this would add more emotion to what happens to the DN. On one hand, the brother that he liked most backstabbed him. On the other, the brother that he took under his wing and taught him a thing or two (This is how I RP it), learned well and even surpassed his quasi-mentor.
As a variant question, how many of you tried to be nice to Trian? I find that almost impossible.

I do, on both counts. I tend to RP it as she is willing to do what it takes when it comes to other people and perfectly find with turning people against Trian on the succession front (not that it's really hard with his compete and utter lack of people skills) but she draws the line at fratricide. It is a weakness and what comes back to haunt her and get her exiled in the end: Bhelen's willing and she's not. Of course, that changes occasionally on the Harrowmont-supporting playthroughs because she doesn't appeaciate being fed to darkspawn, hates how she's treated as an exile (especially comparing it to everyone practically worshipping her in the Origin), and he took the gloves off first. Even then, if he had been capable of being polite for two seconds when she went to see him...well, his mistake.

Her relationship with him pre-Exile was good because neither of them were openly trying for the throne and so they were content to ignore the issue (especially him as if anyone had any indication his plan would never work) and commiserate about Trian treating them like they were children. Even knowing what I do about how he betrays you, what I saw of him showed him to be a sarcastic, likeable guy. Since he'd been hiding his darker fratricidal and power-hungry side for years, of course they'd get along.

For Trian, I RPed it as she used to follow him around when she was younger because he was older than her and he actually was the one that got her interested in fighting. Of course, as soon as he was old enough to really see that she was a threat things changed, but she was still a little sentimental. Trian bossing her around amused her more than anything and she understood where he was coming from with trying to assert his position as heir over her so she was willing to humor him (kind of like Bhelen now that I think about it...). It's not really that had; ignore his provocation (an invaluable skill for any politician) and assure him you'll get to the feast...just neglect to mention that you're going off to win your Proving first.

[Gilsa]

I am resisting the urge to roll a new dwarf. I always do this when a new DLC gets announced. There's one buzzing around with no details (Xbox being premature, I think), but it sounds like Chris will make a formal announcement tomorrow.

[Sarah1281]

So I try to sympathize with why Bhelen had to clean house in order to get anything done for the dwarven people. It's not personal -- we were just collateral damage.

That, I could accept. I never take that personally, anyway. What's his excuse for being such an ass when you show up again to help him take he throne he basically stole from you? Apparently he had a lot of deep-seated resentment towards you. Was he jealous of the attention? Resent having to suck up? Have a LOT of daddy issues and you were the favorite?

[Gilsa]

I think so. His father didn't want to have anything to do with him when from Bhelen's perspective, he did exactly what the father did (kill off a sibling) to get the throne. Bhelen didn't get a father's approval or a pat on the back for his stunt. To add insult to the injury, the father wanted to prevent Bhelen from being the successor to the throne and Bhelen wasn't allowed to see him in his final moments.



So I think Bhelen was in a bad spot. All his efforts for pretty much nothing since he didn't have the throne yet at that point. Still needed the warden's help to get there and the warden had the power to destroy all his carefully laid plans.

[Radahldo]

My cannon-DN was largely deferential to Trian. I liked to think they got along very nicely.
Trians platitudes, stupid lectures, and seemingly genuine sense of honor appealed to him a lot when he was younger.

I like to think it went both ways; my DN was loyal and genuinely respectful to Trian, and Trian from his end, made an effort not to let his jealously issues get the better of him.

Though it doesnt seem like Trian wanted much more than 'respect' so their bond was rather hollow in actuality.

If anything, he perceived Bhelens issues with Trians as whining. That is not to say he believed Trian was imparting anything important-- just that Bhelen was whining.

Beyond that, his bond with Bhelen was much better, so he really takes Bhelens behavior throughout the Orzammar questlines very personally.

Modifié par Radahldo, 05 mai 2010 - 01:49 .

[Sarah1281]

Oh, and I just remembered the note the non-DN finds in Harrowmont's room...Endrin basically says he's willing to jeopardize their keeping the throne the scandal taking her back if they found her in the Deep Roads would cause and even though Bhelen keeps pointing this out, he feels she's more important than keeping the throne with the Aeducans for the tenth generation. Even though the note isn't there for DNs, we can probably assume that the same thing happens so, once again, she's the favorite even after she's exiled after being condemned for kinslaying...which Endrin doesn't even believe she did.



And I've never tried this so I wouldn't know, but if Endrin's note is the same no matter what and it's always with the shield of Aeducan for Gorim to pass off, even if you admit that you killed Trian and enjoyed it (pissing Harrowmont off in the process) he still won't believe you're guilty. Although I can see that since she was gone forever anyway, there was no need to break his heart further by relaying the m message.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Out of curiosity, how many of you RP an Aeducan who was close to Bhelen? I just started a new game with DN (I blame this thread), and RPed him to be very close to Bhelen (who said "You've always been there for me") as opposed to him being quite distant and antagonistic towards Trian.
I think this would add more emotion to what happens to the DN. On one hand, the brother that he liked most backstabbed him. On the other, the brother that he took under his wing and taught him a thing or two (This is how I RP it), learned well and even surpassed his quasi-mentor.
As a variant question, how many of you tried to be nice to Trian? I find that almost impossible.

My own DN. She felt Trian had no imagination or creativity, and was too brutish and hamfisted in his domination to be worthy of respect. He also lacked subtly.

My DN was very close to Bhelen and only silently, and subtly glared when he betrayed her. He had to die later....can't let the student hold the record over the master. But she still admired him more than Harrowmont.

[Sarah1281]

But she still admired him more than Harrowmont.

Does anyone besides Dulin and the rest of House Harrowmont actually want Harrowmont on the throne or do they just not want Bhelen (or perhaps a more impersonal 'not an Aeducan') on the throne?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sarah1281 wrote...

But she still admired him more than Harrowmont.

Does anyone besides Dulin and the rest of House Harrowmont actually want Harrowmont on the throne or do they just not want Bhelen (or perhaps a more impersonal 'not an Aeducan') on the throne?

The dwarven nobility certainly seems to support him, because he is a "good ol' boy" and very much out for their interests ("tradition"). I think also, because the nobility know he's weak and easily swayable, that each of them plots and rubs hands with glee as they look forward to pulling his strings.

The only reasob my dwarf noble lass put him on the throne was because she knew he was easily mainpulated and removed, and thus, she could, with little effort, get the throne back from him.

Bhelen, however, would have been a problem. Once in power, Bhelen is simply too cunning and adept at the game to be removed without heavy cost, effort, and lower chance of success.

[Sarah1281]

The only reason my dwarf noble lass put him on the throne was because she knew he was easily mainpulated and removed, and thus, she could, with little effort, get the throne back from him.

Oh, I don't think they would ever depose a monarch; it sets a dangerous precedent. Poisoning him, however, is fair game. And, you know, he is REALLY old and putting down Bhelen's rebellion was oh-so-very stressful...

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The only reason my dwarf noble lass put him on the throne was because she knew he was easily mainpulated and removed, and thus, she could, with little effort, get the throne back from him.

Oh, I don't think they would ever depose a monarch; it sets a dangerous precedent. Poisoning him, however, is fair game. And, you know, he is REALLY old and putting down Bhelen's rebellion was oh-so-very stressful...

Which is exactly my own DN's thoughts. She wasn't planning on publically and personally removing him. Just using his loyalty to Endrin to favor you for succession, even get it into writing (without too much obvious influence from you), then find a creative way to remove him that looks completely tragic, accidental, or can easily be pinned completely on a chosen target or advisary.

[Sarah1281]

So you're planning on committing regicide personally?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sarah1281 wrote...

So you're planning on committing regicide personally?

Depends on your definition of "personally".

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

So you're planning on committing regicide personally?

She's a paragon, she can do whatever she wants.

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

So you're planning on committing regicide personally?

She's a paragon, she can do whatever she wants.

Well, as long as you don't get caught you can do anything you want to. I always figured he'd die from stress/old age/ regicide by the time I finished putting House Aeducan back in order (just how many of them died in the rebellion?) and rebuilding my case for the throne so there wasn't a very pressing need to act.

[Radahldo]

Who's picture is that all over the Aeducan palace? is that supposed to be Paragon Aeducan?

[Sarah1281]

Radahldo wrote...

Who's picture is that all over the Aeducan palace? is that supposed to be Paragon Aeducan?

Either that or the insignia, I guess. Do you have a picture?