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[Sarah1281]

That's how I play too. Considering I plan on sending her back to Orzammar after the game, I doubt she'd want to go to a place that wrongly exiled her.

Well, if you side with Harowmont and half the Assembly attacks you, you probably kill off most of the people involved in wrongly exiling you so why not?

[Gilsa]

Sarah, I just found the the dialogue tree for when Oghren and Gorim see each other in Denerim. There's nothing special listed, but in the VO notes for Oghren, it says, "As far as Oghren is concerned, this is one of the people responsible for what happened to Branka and the rest of their house in the Deep Roads." Don't know if that helps explain his attitude to Gorim, but there ya go. =p

[Sarah1281]

Really? He blames Gorim? I thought Branka just pretty much decided to go off and the rest of the House had to follow. I'm kind of curious about how Oghren was left behind, though. Did she kick him out of the House? Leave while he was somewhere else? Just tell him he wasn't welcome?

[soignee]

*hugs this thead*



I should post my BB's Eddy's awesome branded buns, shouldn't I?

[Gilsa]

Kryyptehk wrote...

senorfuzzylips wrote...

PC: I'm glad you're happy.
Gorim: And you?
1. PC: I am in love... with an elf of all people.
2. PC: I am in love... with a human mage of all people.
3. PC: I am in love... with a human priestess of all people.
4. PC: I am in love... with the future king of Ferelden.
5. PC: I am in love... with the king of Ferelden of all people.

4-5 first lead to:
Gorim: *Laughs* I can't say I'm surprised.

All then lead to:
Gorim: Then I thank the ancestors for their kindness, for I too have found my heart. My wife is a surfacer, a good woman.
Gorim: We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring.

etc.
(you don't get to whine about him leaving you if you go this route, though )

What do you say about Alistair if you don't know about him being Maric's son? Or does your character just magically know this suddenly, then get hit in the head so she forgets it?

Not seeing anything that indicates that you don't know Alistair is king. #4 and #5 (above) is dependant on if you've done Landsmeet yet or not. I'm guessing you either get "future king" by default or you don't get an option at all. *shrugs*

There is a disappointing lack of VO comments for Gorim in Denerim. I had been hoping to see stuff like, "Gorim is heartbroken that the noble found love again" or "Gorim's heart is bursting with joy upon the sight of his beloved lady!" =p There's nothing, really.

Edit: If you see Gorim after crowing Harrowmont, you can tell him, "I am here and Harrowmont rules in Orzammar. We are avenged."

Modifié par Gilsa, 05 avril 2010 - 07:21 .

[soignee]

My buns.
My buns my buns my buns.
My lovely branded buns.
Check it out.




So my friend Eddy is amazing and the above image one of the many reasons she's one of my wives. She made branded buns for Easter, just because.

You can view more pictures [here].

Nothing says dwarf lovin' then some branded buns... <3

[Cypher0020]

Anything think that the PC/Gorim should have been an option? In this run, I made it look like they were good firends and nothing more... but he's proably one of the very few genuinely devoted knights that cares for the PC regardless of gender



But..... he did find some happiness with a new wife and kid apparently O_O





I think the DN works best with Alistair... think about it



- both displaced royals



- both had older brothers Calian/Trian that were betrayed and died



- Both the DN and Alistair are rescued and made into Wardens



- Also Duncan freed them both from rather dreary lives at court, that were both full of betrayal and corruption so they could go around Ferelden adventuring together







Or am I just a sappy romantic at heart? Hmmmmm.





I totally can see them together quietly rebuilding the Order during the years they have left.....

[Elhanan]

After some initial playthroughs, I rather enjoyed some dialogue choices in the D/N origin while gathering coin for Osteggar. Having allowed the Historian to reward me, Gorim questions as to why since I do not need the funds. I truly enjoyed the choice of being unpredictable, as 'having read the walkthrough' is not included!

[Kryyptehk]

@Cypher; There is a DN/Gorim romance option, sorta. He calls you "my heart" and says he will love you always. And you embrace one last time before you are exiled. It is soooo sad.

Modifié par Kryyptehk, 05 avril 2010 - 07:47 .

[soignee]

Kryyptehk wrote...

@Cypher; There is a DN/Gorim romance option, sorta. He calls you "my heart" and says he will love you always. And you embrace one last time before you are exiled. It is soooo sad.

....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand then he fecks off to Denerim and gets a merchant's daughter pregnant!

YEAH I SEE YOUR DICK WASN'T CRIPPLED, GORIM. THANKS A LOT. REALLY. THAT'S LOVING ME ALWAYS.

*seethes quietly and about the wrongness of Gorim*

[Cypher0020]

yeah.... he pledges his love/loyalty to you and then as soon as he hits the surface he nabs a woman AND the kid? WTH??



That's ok.... cuz my ex-royal turned warden may recover in Alistair's arms....

[Gilsa]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Really? He blames Gorim? I thought Branka just pretty much decided to go off and the rest of the House had to follow. I'm kind of curious about how Oghren was left behind, though. Did she kick him out of the House? Leave while he was somewhere else? Just tell him he wasn't welcome?

I think it's because he kept trying for two years to get a crew to go into Deep Roads to find Branka, but wasn't getting any help from the nobles. Don't you need permission from a deshyr to even get a pass into the Deep Roads? Sounds like he may have repeatedly tried to get an audience with King Endrin and Gorim probably did his duty by escorting him out.

I have not seen any details on how Branka abandoned Oghren. I think she just pulled a disappearing act on him and made him look like a fool. She was probably already involved with Hespith and didn't care what happened to Oghren, didn't bother to tell him what she was doing.

[jsachun]

Sorry, just couldn't resist.

Modifié par jsachun, 05 avril 2010 - 08:32 .

[Flamesz]

I'm like you, i just can't play as a character that short. Elves i'm fine with and humans but...Dwarves...ugh. I'd love to play as a Qunari though

[Elhanan]

I enjoy the many ways these Origin characters may be played. My latest Dwarven Warden was all about making things better for his people: the Dusters.



When he was caught playing the Noble in the Proving, this only helped illuminate the vast social chasm that existed in this Caste system. And when he obtained some form of prestige as the Warden, he was going to do what it took to help solve this issue.



On his return trip to Orzammar, he noticed that his sister had chosen a murderering thug for a mate, but one that was willing to see political change in a system that no longer worked for all. So the Warden worked as Harrowmount' agent the entire time, saw and heard that he was a better man and good commander, and made certain to show how corrupt House Aeducan had become. And the Warden made a point to reveal the many failures of the future King's second to achieve any goal.



So in this ending, Sister is sitting pretty as Ambassador and advisor, mother and mate. The Dwarves of all castes are starting to meld into a common society. The Assemby is disbanded, and maybe has a wake-up call if they are allowed to reform. And Lord Harrowmount was conscripted as a General in the surface forces against the Blight, but only his wife is aware of this 'truth'.



It is good to be the King; even better to be the power behind him.

[Wozza78]

Sorry... I misread the post. But for anyone interested... I have infact finished a dwarf nun.

[Cypher0020]

Greeaaat I love the political managing here.... what's a DN supposed to do? Not like they want to see thier own house fall.... but my DN would love to see some of the casteless and the strict social lines go down......



So the DN has to turn on their own house?

[Addai]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Greeaaat I love the political managing here.... what's a DN supposed to do? Not like they want to see thier own house fall.... but my DN would love to see some of the casteless and the strict social lines go down......

So the DN has to turn on their own house?

My DNF is siding with Bhelen, much to her own surprise.  She just realizes that it's about bigger things than herself, and she's not going to be the one who ends the reign of House Aeducan.

As for the casteless, I'm a little confused by your comment as it's Bhelen who gives the casteless new rights.

[Kryyptehk]

Elhanan wrote...

I enjoy the many ways these Origin characters may be played. My latest Dwarven Warden was all about making things better for his people: the Dusters.

When he was caught playing the Noble in the Proving, this only helped illuminate the vast social chasm that existed in this Caste system. And when he obtained some form of prestige as the Warden, he was going to do what it took to help solve this issue.

On his return trip to Orzammar, he noticed that his sister had chosen a murderering thug for a mate, but one that was willing to see political change in a system that no longer worked for all. So the Warden worked as Harrowmount' agent the entire time, saw and heard that he was a better man and good commander, and made certain to show how corrupt House Aeducan had become. And the Warden made a point to reveal the many failures of the future King's second to achieve any goal.

So in this ending, Sister is sitting pretty as Ambassador and advisor, mother and mate. The Dwarves of all castes are starting to meld into a common society. The Assemby is disbanded, and maybe has a wake-up call if they are allowed to reform. And Lord Harrowmount was conscripted as a General in the surface forces against the Blight, but only his wife is aware of this 'truth'.

It is good to be the King; even better to be the power behind him.

....What? If you side with Harrowmont, the castes are just as strict and the assembly stays together. I'm not critisizing your decision, but the ending you describe is the one for Bhelen, at least the assembly dissolving and the castes being less strict.

[Sarah1281]

So the DN has to turn on their own house?

Yes, siding with Harrowmont does put your own House out of power but once the Blight is over, Gorim tells you that Harrowmont appointed you head of House Aeducan and given that he basically loves you and you are (unless you don't kill/talk into suicide Branka) the only living Paragon, it should be perfectly doable to became King/Queen afterwards, so there's only a few years break in Aeducan rule.

[Kryyptehk]

Sarah1281 wrote...

So the DN has to turn on their own house?

Yes, siding with Harrowmont does put your own House out of power but once the Blight is over, Gorim tells you that Harrowmont appointed you head of House Aeducan and given that he basically loves you and you are (unless you don't kill/talk into suicide Branka) the only living Paragon, it should be perfectly doable to became King/Queen afterwards, so there's only a few years break in Aeducan rule.

Branka commits suicide??? I've never seen that, how do you get that to happen?

[Herr Uhl]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Branka commits suicide??? I've never seen that, how do you get that to happen?

Side with her and then persuade her to do it.

Legendary dwarven smiths likes jumping into lava it seems.

[CalJones]

You side with her initially, but then persuade her to break the anvil. She then throws herself into the lava.

[Kryyptehk]

Huh, if it didn't mean killing Caridin, I probably would do that, but that seems like it would be even more traumatic for Oghren.

[Sarah1281]

That's what I usually end up doing now. Caridin just wants the Anvil to be destroyed before he goes and it's implied that that's all he's still hanging on for while Branka is clearly in need of an intervention. If the Anvil gets destroyed either way, I doubt he 'd really care. Once you kill Caridin and Branka gives you the crown, just tell her that the Anvil is evil. She won't believe you at first but a persuade/intimidate and a few lines about how Caridin was willing to die to see the Anvil destroyed and how the voice she hears (creepy) are the souls trapped in the Anvil as well as Ogrhen urging her to do what was right convinces her to destroy it.

I feel that that's a better ending as Branka gets some sort of redemption for feeding her house to darkspawn, she realizes that she was wrong an regains some semblance of sanity, and Oghren got to help Branka a little rather than having spent two years begging people to look for her and having to cut her down once he found her. Besides, it's easier to believe that we found Branka from two years ago than we found golem!Caridin from a few hundred years ago. And do we really want it public knowledge that a Paragon was betrayed like that? No one wants to hear that.

Of course, my DN was freaked out that she had to kill a Paragon and essentially talked the other one into suicide, something that no one ever found out about, of course.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 05 avril 2010 - 08:42 .