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[BigBad]

I dunno. I did every quest Vartag and Bhelen gave me, and never even spoke to Dulin or Harrowmont. Oh, and I reassured Lord Helmi that Bhelen was more progressive on greater rights for lower castes by pointing out that my sister Rica was his concubine.

Modifié par BigBad, 12 mai 2010 - 06:52 .

[RavenousBear]

BigBad wrote...

A bit OT, but this is the dwarf thread, so . . has anyone else gotten the Aeducan Mace from Bhelen instead of Trian's Maul? I was just reading the wiki, and it appears that you're supposed to get the maul as reward for crowning him. My old DC got the Aeducan Mace, even though he'd already gotten the same (or similiar) one from Duncan early on.

You receive one from Duncan after completing your origin story. It is a tier 2 mace with messy kills and +2 damage vs darkspawn modifiers, so only good throughout the beginning of the game. I never talked to Dulin on my first PC who was a DC and all I received was Trian's maul which I find a bit creepy.

[Sarah1281]

BigBad wrote...

I dunno. I did every quest Vartag and Bhelen gave me, and never even spoke to Dulin or Harrowmont. Oh, and I reassured Lord Helmi that Bhelen was more progressive on greater rights for lower castes by pointing out that my sister Rica was his concubine.

Does talking to Dulin and saying you'll compete in the Proving even if you don't hurt you? I should try not and seeing if that helps. Did you enter the Proving as a GW and give your support to Bhelen after winning?

[Gilsa]

The theory is that since there were obviously different rewards based on how much you cooperated with either candidate, that this was either scrapped later on or it's somehow bugged in the game. Harrowmont offers something else other than his staff (seriously? a staff for a dwarf player? stupid), but I don't remember what it was. I don't think anyone has gotten anything other than trian's maul or harrowmont's staff as their reward.

[Sarah1281]

Harrowmont is supposed to give you Endrin's Mace. You know who might have appreciated that and for whom a staff would be worthless? Endrin's kid.

[BigBad]

Hmn. You know, I think I did fight in the provings in Bhelen's honor. Just to rub the Proving Master's nose in it.

And, yes, I know you get the mace from Duncan at the end of the DC origin. I had it in my storage chest. Then after I crowned Bhelen, he said he was giving me a mace, and sure enough, there was an Aeducan Mace in my inventory.

Modifié par BigBad, 12 mai 2010 - 07:15 .

[Sarah1281]

You'd think Trian's maul would be a better weapon than the default weapon Duncan gives you right before Ostagar. Did it have the same stats?

[BigBad]

I'm pretty sure it did, but I don't remember. I've never used a mace on any character, so they get sold almost as soon as I get them, unless there's an RP reason not to. But, according to the wiki, Trian's Maul is just a regular silverite maul with no special properties. Just a unique name and desc.

[RavenousBear]

BigBad wrote...

Hmn. You know, I think I did fight in the provings in Bhelen's honor. Just to rub the Proving Master's nose in it.

And, yes, I know you get the mace from Duncan at the end of the DC origin. I had it in my storage chest. Then after I crowned Bhelen, he said he was giving me a mace, and sure enough, there was an Aeducan Mace in my inventory.

Ah, I thought I could not enter the provings when I sided with Bhelen on that playthrough. By the time I discovered Wiki, I was near the end of the game so that was a major disappointment.

[KnightofPhoenix]

BigBad wrote...

Hmn. You know, I think I did fight in the provings in Bhelen's honor. Just to rub the Proving Master's nose in it.

 I thought you couldn't do that. What you could do is fight in the Proving, without specifying that you are doing so for Harrowmont.. But you still have to face Bhelen's champions, specifically Piotin Aeducan.

[Costin_Razvan]

You can fight in it, and then at the end proclaim your favor for Bhelen. You just need to complete Vartag's Quest first.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 12 mai 2010 - 07:46 .

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

BigBad wrote...

Hmn. You know, I think I did fight in the provings in Bhelen's honor. Just to rub the Proving Master's nose in it.

 I thought you couldn't do that. What you could do is fight in the Proving, without specifying that you are doing so for Harrowmont.. But you still have to face Bhelen's champions, specifically Piotin Aeducan.

You can do it. Do Bhelen's quest first and then you can enter as a GW, Harrowmont's side, Bhelen's side or yourself.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Huh, I never knew that. You still fight Piotin or no?

[BigBad]

Right, you aren't Bhelen's champion, but you can still choose to support him through dialogue. And Provings aren't team fights, except for pairs and squads. Every single fighter is an individual competitor. Two fighters may choose to dedicate their victory in support of a single candidate, but they'll still have to fight each other sooner or later. At least, that's how I see it.

[Sarah1281]

Piotin doesn't hold your victory against you if say it's for Bhelen at the end and his one-liner when you click on him is something about how good it is that you fought for the rightful king.

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Huh, I never knew that. You still fight Piotin or no?

Yes, and he then tells you that you brought house Aeducan great honor.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Eh, the Dwarves are such good sports, eh? More reason they are badass. I should try to do this one day.

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Huh, I never knew that. You still fight Piotin or no?

Yes, and he then tells you that you brought house Aeducan great honor.

Which is kind of strange if you're playing as a DN and he tells you before the fight that you're disgracing them. Although to his credit he is remarkably civil if you speak to him after signing up but before facing him. He says he can't really address you as cousin anymore since the family rejected you and you're on 'the usurpers' side (seriously, did Bhelen just order everyone in his House to not refer to Harrowmont as anything but the usurper?) if you say you don't know who you're supporting yet he says he doesn't see how you can side with Bhelen after what he accused you of and since Harrowmont was your number one defender. Kind of made me feel bad about supporting Bhelen that playthrough, though of course I still did it.

He's just so much more civil than, say, Vartag that it's really a shame you have to end up killing him if Harrowmont wins.

[Sarah1281]

Hey, what does Bhelen's codex entry say if you actually kill Trian? If you don't it says that he murdered Trian and framed _____, thus eliminating both of his rivals.

[BigBad]

http://dragonage.wik..._Bhelen_Aeducan

[Sarah1281]

If The Warden killed Trian: He tricked The Warden into slaying their brother Trian, eliminating both his rivals for the throne in one stroke.

And it wasn't even that difficult...



Of course, I started getting suspicious of him the moment he said "Time is something you may not have much left of." Between that and his "It seems Trian has shown that brothers can't always be trusted..." I would have had to have been naive as hell, exceptionally stupid, not really paying attention, or just looking for a reason to commit fratricide to actually tell Bhelen I wanted Trian dead. I mean, hello, he's a brother, too, and he just said something that translates to 'Don't trust me!'

[BigBad]

I knew Bhelen was up to something as soon as I found Trian's signet ring on the mercenary in the Aeducan Thaig. It was like a giant, blinking sign saying "Trian hired these men to kill you and steal your glory!" And no dwarven noble is going to be that obvious. It was just suddenly obvious that Bhelen was pointing me in a certain direction and setting up events to reinforce his words. If Trian really had sent the men, there's no way in hell he'd give them his own signet ring. Letting a lesser caste tough his personal possession, the symbol of his tie to House Aeducan and thus the throne? Right.

[Sarah1281]

Talking to lesser castes in order to set something like that up? Trian? Right. Bhelen had to have at least been working with Trian on that and probably was more involved. If you do elect to kill Trian and ask him about the signet ring, he apparently is caught off guard by thte question and makes some excuse about how he didn't want to lose it in the battle and gets offended if you accuse him of giving it to mercenaries. Odds on Bhelen having stole the ring no matter what you decide to do and Trian didn't want to admit he couldn't find it?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
Of course, I started getting suspicious of him the moment he said "Time is something you may not have much left of." Between that and his "It seems Trian has shown that brothers can't always be trusted..." I would have had to have been naive as hell, exceptionally stupid, not really paying attention, or just looking for a reason to commit fratricide to actually tell Bhelen I wanted Trian dead. I mean, hello, he's a brother, too, and he just said something that translates to 'Don't trust me!'

You don't have to tell Bhelen that you want to kill Trian, in order to kill yhim. Dain Aeducan said something like this "I will take care of it. If Trian tries something, I want you to help me". But he didn't say "I want to kill him!".
And Trian still showed up and wanted Dain dead, so he acted in self defense.  

[lovgreno]

To answer the original post: Oh yes indeed, Grimer Aeducan the warrior here in my avatar is my first character and still my favorite. He have romanced them all.

Perhaps this is just nothing but it seems to me sometimes that many people have a big problem with playing a character that doesn't fit the supermodel stereotype. Nothing wrong with that look of course but I think the dwarves are pretty and handsome not despite their uncommon look but because of it.

Heck, both genders of dwarves even look better than both humans and elves to me.

Oh well, each to their own.

One of the best things about Awakening is that you can have a party with 75% dwarf content.