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[Sarah1281]

I said that I would wait to see what Trian did (in essence that if he tried something I'd handle it) and I didn't have to kill him. It's only if you say something that involves declaring your intention to kill Trian (like "Fine, Trian dies.") that he'll show up. Interestingly enough, Trian doesn't intend to kill you at first. He wants to arrest you and try you before the Assembly for treason.

This could be for any number of reason. He could want to prove that he's better than you by not resorting to fratricide so easily, his speech when you say plotting to kill him was a good plan seems to indicate that he thinks it would just be compromsing your honor and the honor of House Aeducan, he could realize that killing you would have consequences and you are at the rendezvous point where everyone else is expected to come along shortly (I can't believe you have the option to, when asked if this is what it looks like, declare that Trian's death makes you the new heir when everything thinks you killed him. The appearance of honor is important and there's nothing particularly honorable-looking about the situation), or he could want to see the Assembly, your father, and everyone else who likes you more than him see what you really are. Either way, he doesn't attack until you say something to indicate you're planning on attacking or - if you try to surrender since everyone else will be back shortly and Trian has no cas to try you with - the scout refuses to listens and attacks. Unless that's the route you take, it really isn't self-defence at all.

[BigBad]

Dwarves are my favorite race (duh) and I don't think they look weird at all.



Except when wearing (as male, dunno about female): massive armor of any kind except dwarven, which just makes you look fat.

[soignee]

Since Aimo has thrown down the gauntlet at my feet, I am writing Aeducan fic stuff. To do this, I've been rereading what I wrote and I kind of have a feeling my Aeducan would be beaten up by everyone else's here:

The parchment in her hands started to smoke slightly, the green letters of the lyrium ink erasing evidence as intended. Quickly she memorised the words written by her ears inside the palace guardhouse before they completely disappeared: One of your soon to be hired men for the upcoming expedition left due to sickness. Not sure why, but he was replaced with another quickly without Gorim‘s approval. Thought this might be something worth mentioning.

Sereda took in gossip, information and news through filters now, and was slowly breaking down the last of her remaining optimism that believed she wouldn’t be stabbed in the back for trust. The only people she depended with her life were the inner circle of her family and Gorim, but she was loathe to admit there was a tiny part of her that she guarded from even them.

She knew Gorim would not betray her, and as if she summoned him by thought alone, he appeared at the open doorway of her private rooms with a sheathed sword in his hand. “You always did know when to appear at the right moment, Gorim.”

Crikkit, who had spent his time lying slumped in the nest of her old shirts and half chewed meals under her bed, stirred at the new arrival and chirruped his disapproval. Slowly he rose on now spindly legs, and struggled over to Gorim, who watched his progress with faint amusement.

“Getting slow, duster,” he said, as her dark stalker tried to latch itself on his ankles. Gorim side stepped him easily. Sereda clicked her fingers sternly and called Crikkit over, and the stalker turned his head to one side and slunk back under her bed, heralding his annoyance by a rather wheezy screech.

“He’s old,” she said sadly, as her pet went back to his usual position of sleeping.

“The little bootstrap didn’t even try to bite me that time.”

Sereda noted with amusement as Gorim put the sword on her dressing room table; the image of something so practical scattered amongst her hairpins and pomade was quite a contrast, and with that she started to brush her hair. “Would you mind going over the expedition crew again, for tomorrow?” She asked, thinking of the letter. She stared at him in the mirror, and saw his eyes roll.

“For the ninth time today, sure. And it‘s not even lunchtime yet.”

“I thought there was a change of guards.” She patted her hair and glared at her reflection; she had it cut short so it wasn’t so uncomfortable under a helm, but the woman who styled it usually insisted layers be added to “soften” her face. She was constantly pulling it out of her eyes, and it rather defeated the point of a practical haircut. It was oddly feminine and would, apparently, start a craze that women would pay the stylist through the nose for to recreate, and Sereda would have a portion of that profit. If it worked, of course.

“Not to my knowledge, my lady.” Sereda frowned at his words, but let it go. If Gorim was happy with the procedures of the upcoming event, then she was satisfied and saw no fault.

“Fine, then. I‘m sure it‘s all going to be seamless.” Gorim watched her vanity with some amusement, and she looked up at him briefly with an eyebrow raised as she brushed her lashes with kohl. Apparently she had her tongue stuck out while in the process of blackening them with a small brush.

“I scrounged this sword up, it’s fairly passable.” Gorim tapped it once, and she knew he wanted her opinion. Sereda unsheathed the offered weapon, testing the blade. She rose and with a quick hand, ran through a drill her muscle memory could perform while sleeping, thanks to being forced to repeat that particular movement since she was nine every morning by her instructors.

“Nice weight, and seems finely watered. Not the most decorative of blades, perhaps- but it’s of good steel.”

lolwatttttttttttt.Bad writing is very, very bad. >:| whhhattttt mushrooms was I smokln'?

That's right dwarfthread, I got no shame. I might even post my LJ poetry attempts 10 years ago if you're lucky...

Modifié par soignee, 12 mai 2010 - 09:39 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I said that I would wait to see what Trian did (in essence that if he tried something I'd handle it) and I didn't have to kill him. It's only if you say something that involves declaring your intention to kill Trian (like "Fine, Trian dies.") that he'll show up. Interestingly enough, Trian doesn't intend to kill you at first. He wants to arrest you and try you before the Assembly for treason. 

I am pretty sure I did not announce any intention to kill Trian. What my DN said was that he would handle it and Trian would pay if he does anything. That, plus asking Bhelen to back him up.

And yes, it was self defense in my case. My DN asked Trian to speak in private so they can settle it, Trian refused. The DN asked him about the signet ring, Trian nervously answered, making the DN suspect even more. And at the end, it was Trian who started the fight and not my DN (who oibviously did not back down, but still did not intend to kill Trian here and then).

[Sarah1281]

To do this, I've been rereading what I wrote and I kind of have a feeling my Aeducan would be beaten up by everyone else's here

Or possibly killed, but that really depends on what she's like. Details?

One of your soon to be hired men for the upcoming expedition left due to sickness. Not sure why, but he was replaced with another quickly without Gorim‘s approval. Thought this might be something worth mentioning.

Oh, I wonder who sent that. Although Sereda really should look into it more. If the guard was replaced without Gorim's approval then why not without his knowledge, as well? Could explain the evil scout.

[Sarah1281]

I looked back at the notes Gilsa posted awhile back about the murder plot and this is all I found that leads to you killing Trian.

1b. If I strike at Trian, will you back me?

Bhelen: "Of course. You've always been there for me." (Respectful and reassuring. A little greasy almost.)

1b-1: Then our family is going to be smaller by one. *Go to Bhelen's response in tree 6, line 2*

1c. Then ... Trian dies.

Bhelen: "I... I'm with you." (Nervousness, because they are scheming to kill their older brother.) *Go to Bhelen's second response in tree 6, line 2.*

2. Trian needs to die.

Bhelen: "I'm afraid I must agree with you." (Slight relief that the other character was the one that brought it up, not him.)

(SET: Bhelen_MurderPlot) Bhelen: "Tomorrow's battle is the time to do it. I'll find out the rendezvous and buy you the time to do what must be done."

Bhelen: "I'm taking your place as Father's second, so I'll be at hand tomorrow." (Warm and reassuring.)

Bhelen: "For now, try to get some sleep."

One of the reasons I have a hard time accepting Trian's death as self-defense is because most of the dialogue choices lead to him saying "Trian: "I am your prince. I will not fight you." (VO: Haughty and superior)

Trian: "You and your companions will throw down your weapons, confess your treason, and be tried in front of the Assembly." (VO: Speaker is commanding here, as though he does not expect argument.)



1. We will do no such thing.

Trian: "Then you will die here." (VO: Blunt declaration. No remorse.)

Trian: "May the Stone reject your unworthy, treacherous body." (VO: Absolute scorn, almost spitting. "The Stone" is said with a religious connotation -- may God reject you.)

Trian: "Kill the traitors!" (VO: This is a command to attack.) *End dialogue*



2. So arrogant, even at the end.

Trian: "It will be your end, Sister/Brother." (VO: Blunt declaration. No remorse.)

Trian: "May the Stone reject your unworthy, treacherous body." (VO: Absolute scorn, almost spitting. "The Stone" is said with a religious connotation -- may God reject you.)

Trian: "Kill the traitors!" (VO: This is a command to attack.) *End dialogue*



3. You're an idiot. *Attack*

Trian: "Kill the traitors!" (VO: This is a command to attack.) *End dialogue*



4. Very well, we surrender.

Gorim: "Are you sure you want to do this, my lady/lord?" (VO: Hesitant, unsure of what to do, respectful)



4a: It is the only way.

Scout: "Never! A warrior does not surrender meekly! Attack!" (VO: This should be said loudly, with a lot of conviction. Almost crazed.)

Trian: "Kill the traitors!" (VO: This is a command to attack.) *End dialogue*



4b. Now--while they're distracted. Attack!

Trian: "Kill the traitors!" (VO: This is a command to attack.) *End dialogue*

Yes, he'll attack you most of the time but since he thinks you're out to kill him and you won't surrender, he's looking at it as self-defense as well. If you don't surrender and he won't believe that you're innocent then he thinks you're about to attack him as Bhelen's got him convinced you're out for his head.



Besides, if you think someone's out to kill you, why would you go off on your own with them when your men outnumber theirs? It's just foolish.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ah yes, maybe I did pick the "Trian needs to die then".
But the way I said it is if Trian is planing something, then he dies. Hence the "need".
That's how I interpret it.

Sarah1281 wrote...
 Yes, he'll attack you most of the time but since he thinks you're out to kill him and you won't surrender, he's looking at it as self-defense as well. If you don't surrender and he won't believe that you're innocent then he thinks you're about to attack him as Bhelen's got him convinced you're out for his head.

Besides, if you think someone's out to kill you, why would you go off on your own with them when your men outnumber theirs? It's just foolish.

And since Trian's answer vis a vis the signet ring is supiciously nervous and since he refuses any kind of talk (and he is in a place he is not supposed to be, near the Aeducan tomb), then my DN thinks he is acting in self defense as well. You do not have to be arrogant to get Trian to try to kill you. All you can say is that you refuse to surrender, since you have done nothing to warrant it and it would obviously ruin your reputation. He attacks anyways. 

Who said anything about going off on your own?
What my DN asked is that both of them speak in private and try to settle this. No one is asking the other to go off on his own.

[Sarah1281]

Who said anything about going off on your own?

What my DN asked is that both of them speak in private and try to settle this. No one is asking the other to go off on his own.

You have a point there. Maybe he feared that if you were going far enough away that no one else could hear you you could still kill him before his men could intervene? I wonder if you could have managed to talk him down or at least stalll him long enough for everyone else to show up if it hadn't been for game mechanics. They certainly arrive before you have time to leave so you're not caught redhanded.



But Trian did have a reason for being there. You find him (alive or dead) at the rendezvous point. That's why Endrin, Bhelen, and everyone shows up after. This is where you're all supposed to meet up when you're done with your tasks, although Trian obviously got there early to confront you, regardless of whether he lived to do so.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
But Trian did have a reason for being there. You find him (alive or dead) at the rendezvous point. That's why Endrin, Bhelen, and everyone shows up after. This is where you're all supposed to meet up when you're done with your tasks, although Trian obviously got there early to confront you, regardless of whether he lived to do so.

I was under the impression that this wasn't the rendez vous point and that Bhelen was leading Endrin there to see what the DN did. Hence the "Quick, before it's too..." that Bhelen says.

Regardless, the presence of mercernaries bearing Trian's ring, him coming at the rendez vous point too quickly and for some reason him nervously explaining the absence of his signet ring, all pointed out to my DN that Trian was trying something. 
I still don't understand why Trian was nervous when confronted with his ring. Was he so because he thought he lost it and was ashamed? Maybe.  

Anyways, at the end of the day and regardless of what one does, Bhelen was 6 steps ahead of everyone.
I just do not agree that being ok to kill Trian is stupid. While there is little reason to trust Bhelen, other than how you RP it, there is also little reason to think he was a threat. He is seen as a child, no one in the Assembly openly likes him. Endrin doesn't think much of him.

So it was not obvious at all that Bhelen was up to something.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 12 mai 2010 - 10:02 .

[Sarah1281]

I was under the impression that this wasn't the rendez vous point and that Bhelen was leading Endrin there to see what the DN did. Hence the "Quick, before it's too..." that Bhelen says.

But how would Bhelen know where you were going to be if Trian just randomly ambushed you if he's really an innocent victim in this? Plus:

1. Where are the others?

Trian: "They will arrive soon enough. I wanted to see you first, to look into your treacherous eyes and tell you I know what you planned." (VO: Some disappointment and sadness, quite a bit of bitterness.)

Also points to rendezvous point.

Regardless, the presence of mercernaries bearing Trian's ring, him coming at the rendez vous point too quickly and for some reason him nervously explaining the absence of his signet ring, all pointed out that Trian was trying something to my DN.

I still don't understand why Trian was nervous when confronted with his ring. Was he so because he thought he lost it and was ashamed? Maybe.

I can buy Trian was trying to steal the shield and he tells you that his coming early was to confront you. I think he is embarrassed to admit to everyone (particulary the bane of his existence) that he couldn't find his ring. Surely if he had hired the mercenaries and you showed up with the shield - which is too big for him not to notice - then he should have had a better answer ready than the 'I just didn't feel like wearing it.'

I think

TREE #1 -- "Where's your signet ring, Trian?"

Trian: "I... didn't wear it today. I didn't wish to risk losing it in battle." (VO: Speaker is caught off guard and is hurriedly trying to come up with an excuse for not having his ring.)



1. Likely story.

Trian: "Don't attempt to cast your dark shadows back on me." (VO: Speaker is insulted and indignant) *Go to tree 2*



2. You gave it to mercenaries so they could steal the shield.

Trian: "You dare accuse me of your own treachery?" (VO: Speaker is indignant and insulted by the gall of his treacherous sibling.) *Go to tree 2*



3. I am going to kill you, Trian.

Trian: "So you admit your foul intentions? Brazen. But my men outnumber yours." (VO: This should be said with a lot of hostility. Sneering would be nice.) *Go to tree 3*

points more to him not wanting to admit he doesn't have it.

Anyways, at the end of the day and regardless of what one does, Bhelen was 6 steps ahead of everyone. I just do not agree that being ok to kill Trian is stupid. While there is little reason to trust Bhelen, other than how you RP it, there is also little reason to think he was a threat. He is seen as a child, no one in the Assembly openly likes him. Endrin doesn't think much of him.

Bhelen's ridiculously good at this, yeah.



I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea to kill Trian, just that it's a bad idea to tell BHELEN that you want to kill him. Sure there's little reason to suspect he wants to get you both out of the way so he can be king but since he spends all his time with Trian why should we trust he really wants to help us kill Trian instead of, say, reporting back on what we said the minute we left? He probably DOES do that if you elect to kill Trian. Well, that or he stages a conversation with Vartag about how, against his better judgement, you convinced him to ambush Trian. That might fit in better with his line about "You convinced Bhelen to help take my men and me by surprise." (VO: Speaker says this accusingly, with a lot of scorn.)



We just don't have enough information that Bhelen's sudden change of heart is genuine and not a ploy to entrap you.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea to kill Trian, just that it's a bad idea to tell BHELEN that you want to kill him. Sure there's little reason to suspect he wants to get you both out of the way so he can be king but since he spends all his time with Trian why should we trust he really wants to help us kill Trian instead of, say, reporting back on what we said the minute we left? He probably DOES do that if you elect to kill Trian. Well, that or he stages a conversation with Vartag about how, against his better judgement, you convinced him to ambush Trian. That might fit in better with his line about "You convinced Bhelen to help take my men and me by surprise." (VO: Speaker says this accusingly, with a lot of scorn.)

We just don't have enough information that Bhelen's sudden change of heart is genuine and not a ploy to entrap you.

It wouldn't make much sense if Bhelen was helping Trian and at the same time warning us that Trian is trying to  kill us and where exactly. If Bhelen could use whatever the DN said against him, the DN can also use whatever Bhelen told him against Trian.
Bhelen does do that, because he wants both dead (and there is no way of knowing he is that powerful to pull this off). But if he was working with Trian, why would he warn the DN? Why would he tell him when and where Trian is going to strike? And of course the placement and timing make perfect sense.

If getting a few words from the DN was all Bhelen wanted, he could have gotten it, without using serious accusations. Accusations that Trian would not have approved of anyways.

Plus, Bhelen doesn't seem to like Trian much. He is always with him because Trian probably demanded it, but it was clear Bhelen was not enjoying himself. So it's not a sudden change of heart.
That, in addition to me RPying it that Dain and Bhelen were very close and distant from Trian. Bhelen does tell him "You were always there for me", which is how I RPed it. So there wasn't any change of heart in Dain's pov.
The sudden change of heart is backstabbing him.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 12 mai 2010 - 10:23 .

[Sarah1281]

It wouldn't make much sense if Bhelen was helping Trian and at the same time warning us that Trian is trying to kill us and where exactly. If Bhelen could use whatever the DN said against him, the DN can also use whatever Bhelen told him against Trian.

Bhelen does do that, because he wants both dead (and there is no way of knowing he is that powerful to pull this off). But if he was working with Trian, why would he warn the DN? Why would he tell him when and where Trian is going to strike? And of course the placement and timing make perfect sense.



If getting a few words from the DN was all Bhelen wanted, he could have gotten it, without using serious accusations. Accusations that Trian would not have approved of anyways.

Point about Trian not liking Bhelen's method. If what Bhelen was instructed to do was to find out if the DN was out to kill Trian, the rest of it could just be his way of testing it. If he outright asked "So, are you game for killing Trian?" the answer would probably be no but in this case since all he really says is "So, I heard Trian saying he wanted to kill you" whether you decide to just be on your guard or use that as an excuse to kill him says a great deal about whether you yourself would be planning something of that nature in the future.



I'm sure that when you do confirm an intent to kill Trian, Bhelen doesn't tell Trian that when he was warning you Trian was out to get you, you decided to strike first. He'd just say that you told him you planned to kill Trian and asked for support.

Plus, Bhelen doesn't seem to like Trian much. He is always with him because Trian probably demanded it, but it was clear Bhelen was not enjoying himself. So it's not a sudden change of heart.

That, in addition to me RPying it that Dain and Bhelen were very close and distant from Trian. Bhelen does tell him "You were always there for me", which is how I RPed it. So there wasn't any change of heart in Dain's pov. The sudden change of heart is backstabbing him.

Yeah, you've really got to wonder how Trian somehow failed to notice that. And if he knew how much Bhelen couldn't stand him then why make him tag along? For the lulz? Still, Bhelen wouldn't have to like Trian in order to see a benefit from supporting him instead. Or if the extent of his 'playing it safe' (which he was well-known for) was doing what Trian asked by seeing if you were going to kill him and then telling you that Trian was looking to get you then no matter which side ultimately won that confrontation he wouldn't get caught in the fallout. You don't need tol realize he's a genius with ambitions to rule and a plan that was years in the making to guess he'd want to make sure he didn't get caught backing the losing side.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The DN was the one who was the most popular in the Assembly. So if Bhelen wanted to be safe, his safest bet is to side with the DN and not with Trian. More points if the DN is a Proving champion (aka can wipe Trian's butt). Less points for Trian for being extremily bossy and tradtionalist (which wouldn't go well with Bhelen and his castless mistress).

[BigBad]

I dunno that Bhelen actually cares about the casteless so much as he cares about how he can use them to benefit Orzammar. I don't think he actually loves Rica, and conversations with the DN during the Of Noble Birth quest appear to paint him as pretty dismissive of noble hunters in general.



As far as his brothers go, Bhelen obviously can't stand Trian, and might pretend to like you better but seems to be pretty bitter and resentful about being overshadowed by someone he can so easily outmaneuver.

[soignee]

BigBad wrote...

I dunno that Bhelen actually cares about the casteless so much as he cares about how he can use them to benefit Orzammar. I don't think he actually loves Rica, and conversations with the DN during the Of Noble Birth quest appear to paint him as pretty dismissive of noble hunters in general.

As far as his brothers go, Bhelen obviously can't stand Trian, and might pretend to like you better but seems to be pretty bitter and resentful about being overshadowed by someone he can so easily outmaneuver.

I find the Bhelen/Rica dynamic fascinating, not going to lie. 

I view Bhelen as a classic narrcissist, and really think his the ruthless Machievellian type that's meant to make the lawfully good types think , "no, hell no" in the game. He's there as a foil to Harrowmont's tradition/honour approach, but his relationship with Rica sticks out and gives Bhelen an interesting character quirk.

While Rica is smart enough to survive and escape Dust Town regardless of Origin, she is blindingly in love with Bhelen. She doesn't see what he is, really, and I wonder what Bhelen really thinks of her. I waver from, "he loves her" to "she's useful to him" all the time, and I need to settle down on something as I'm at that point in the story...

[Sarah1281]

I waver from, "he loves her" to "she's useful to him" all the time, and I need to settle down on something as I'm at that point in the story...

Or you could always have Missa unsure about which and add more uncertainty that way. I think Bhelen definitely appreciates the fact that she genuinely worships him without reservation if nothing else.

[Gilsa]

BigBad wrote...

I dunno that Bhelen actually cares about the casteless so much as he cares about how he can use them to benefit Orzammar. I don't think he actually loves Rica, and conversations with the DN during the Of Noble Birth quest appear to paint him as pretty dismissive of noble hunters in general.

As far as his brothers go, Bhelen obviously can't stand Trian, and might pretend to like you better but seems to be pretty bitter and resentful about being overshadowed by someone he can so easily outmaneuver.

I have that same impression, too. I don't think he's a bleeding heart for the casteless. I think he just sees them as a means to an end and their lives actually improve under his leadership because he needs them as much as they need him.

As for Bhelen and Rica, soignee, sometimes I think it's because Bhelen has made enemies EVERYWHERE at the noble level that Rica is a welcome break from all that. She's not a noble so he can relax more around her because she is a sweet woman and easy to be with. She's not as likely to spy on him for other nobles because the other nobles wouldn't even think to use a casteless for that job.

[Herr Uhl]

Well, she is useful to him, but a noble would be even more useful. So I say that there at least is a semblance of love.

[BigBad]

I was always disappointed that we get to read a letter from Rica to Bhelen, but we never get a single in-game hint as to what Bhelen actually thinks of Rica, or how he acts around her in private.

[Sarah1281]

Well, she is useful to him, but a noble would be even more useful. So I say that there at least is a semblance of love.

But a noble would be looking to gain power over him. Not to mention that his prospects won't be as good as they are once he' king and lots of nobles use noble hunters.



Gilsa, is your new avatar Orlesian or DN?

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Well, she is useful to him, but a noble would be even more useful. So I say that there at least is a semblance of love.

But a noble would be looking to gain power over him. Not to mention that his prospects won't be as good as they are once he' king and lots of nobles use noble hunters.

But marrying a noble could bring a whole hose to his heels. And the child wouldn't have to be a boy either.

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Well, she is useful to him, but a noble would be even more useful. So I say that there at least is a semblance of love.

But a noble would be looking to gain power over him. Not to mention that his prospects won't be as good as they are once he' king and lots of nobles use noble hunters.

But marrying a noble could bring a whole hose to his heels. And the child wouldn't have to be a boy either.

He doesn't marry Rica (well, he might in a DC Paragon game) and she tells you that whoever he marries will be the Queen. Just because he has a child with a noble-hunter doesn't mean he can't get married. The DNM that has a kid with Mardy doesn't end up marrying her and she doesn't even have to be taken into House Aeducan.

[soignee]

Gilsa wrote...

BigBad wrote...

I dunno that Bhelen actually cares about the casteless so much as he cares about how he can use them to benefit Orzammar. I don't think he actually loves Rica, and conversations with the DN during the Of Noble Birth quest appear to paint him as pretty dismissive of noble hunters in general.

As far as his brothers go, Bhelen obviously can't stand Trian, and might pretend to like you better but seems to be pretty bitter and resentful about being overshadowed by someone he can so easily outmaneuver.

I have that same impression, too. I don't think he's a bleeding heart for the casteless. I think he just sees them as a means to an end and their lives actually improve under his leadership because he needs them as much as they need him.

As for Bhelen and Rica, soignee, sometimes I think it's because Bhelen has made enemies EVERYWHERE at the noble level that Rica is a welcome break from all that. She's not a noble so he can relax more around her because she is a sweet woman and easy to be with. She's not as likely to spy on him for other nobles because the other nobles wouldn't even think to use a casteless for that job.

I quite like your theory, I'm going to steaaaaaaal it! <3

In my head Rica has charmed some nobles already and is one of those sweet, sweet people that if you were at a party, even if it wasn't hers, she would be all "is your drink okay? Do you want another?" And genuinely be interested in talking to you.

[Gilsa]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Well, she is useful to him, but a noble would be even more useful. So I say that there at least is a semblance of love.

But a noble would be looking to gain power over him. Not to mention that his prospects won't be as good as they are once he' king and lots of nobles use noble hunters.

Gilsa, is your new avatar Orlesian or DN?

My new DN. The blonde hair, especially that shade, is going to take some getting used to, but I wanted the same hair, skin, and eye color as Trian so she'd look like his sister. Plus it helps the character to feel different from my canon DN so I don't play the same. In Mass Effect, I had to give my character black lipstick to remind myself to go for the renegade choices more. LOL.

Edit: Added SS.

Modifié par Gilsa, 12 mai 2010 - 11:41 .

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Well, she is useful to him, but a noble would be even more useful. So I say that there at least is a semblance of love.

But a noble would be looking to gain power over him. Not to mention that his prospects won't be as good as they are once he' king and lots of nobles use noble hunters.

But marrying a noble could bring a whole hose to his heels. And the child wouldn't have to be a boy either.

He doesn't marry Rica (well, he might in a DC Paragon game) and she tells you that whoever he marries will be the Queen. Just because he has a child with a noble-hunter doesn't mean he can't get married. The DNM that has a kid with Mardy doesn't end up marrying her and she doesn't even have to be taken into House Aeducan.

True, but why treat her well in that case. Just throw her a few credits and let her enjoy herself. If it was only for baby-making that is.