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[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

It's actually remarkable just how self-absorbed the Assembly manages to be...What's really telling is if you ask Rica about Lady Dace and she says that she's very practical because she only gives a **** about House Dace. That's what normal people call the OPPOSITE of practical...

well of course... The Assembly is sort of the Tories in the 80s, imo. Minus the fratricide...

fffffffff- we got a tory goverment now ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff-
 

What's even stranger is that Rica is the one calling her practical. It's amazing how quickly she's been brainwashed. People should, at best, put their House concerns directly below making sure the darkspawn don't kill them all. Does it really matter who had how much power once the Surfacers are their only legacy?

[thegreateski]

BigBad wrote...

Dwarven noble politics isn't that different from Dust Town politics: survival means making yourself as powerful or indispensable as you can, lest your bones get dumped in the lava by someone who wants what you have.

That's disturbing because it's true.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
What's even stranger is that Rica is the one calling her practical. It's amazing how quickly she's been brainwashed. People should, at best, put their House concerns directly below making sure the darkspawn don't kill them all. Does it really matter who had how much power once the Surfacers are their only legacy?

Tell that to the banns who thought that a blight was the perfect time to start a civil war against Loghain.

[thegreateski]

Sarah1281 wrote...

soignee wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

It's actually remarkable just how self-absorbed the Assembly manages to be...What's really telling is if you ask Rica about Lady Dace and she says that she's very practical because she only gives a **** about House Dace. That's what normal people call the OPPOSITE of practical...

well of course... The Assembly is sort of the Tories in the 80s, imo. Minus the fratricide...

fffffffff- we got a tory goverment now ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff-
 

What's even stranger is that Rica is the one calling her practical. It's amazing how quickly she's been brainwashed. People should, at best, put their House concerns directly below making sure the darkspawn don't kill them all. Does it really matter who had how much power once the Surfacers are their only legacy?

Power corrupts and all that junk . . .

or at least makes you an idiot.

Modifié par thegreateski, 14 mai 2010 - 07:12 .

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

soignee wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

It's actually remarkable just how self-absorbed the Assembly manages to be...What's really telling is if you ask Rica about Lady Dace and she says that she's very practical because she only gives a **** about House Dace. That's what normal people call the OPPOSITE of practical...

well of course... The Assembly is sort of the Tories in the 80s, imo. Minus the fratricide...

fffffffff- we got a tory goverment now ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff-

A government made of two or more parties in a coalition?

poor, naive child. lol no. Stupid Nick Clegg. He was the clueless Grey Warden who picked Harrowmont instead of Bhelen.

...Wait, I'm not calling the labour government a despotic party, BUT YOU GET WEHAT I MEANNNNN

[thegreateski]

I am confused by this political talk.

[Sarah1281]

thegreateski  wrote...

BigBad wrote...

Dwarven noble politics isn't that different from Dust Town politics: survival means making yourself as powerful or indispensable as you can, lest your bones get dumped in the lava by someone who wants what you have.

That's disturbing because it's true.

At least the nobles are politer?

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
What's even stranger is that Rica is the one calling her practical. It's amazing how quickly she's been brainwashed. People should, at best, put their House concerns directly below making sure the darkspawn don't kill them all. Does it really matter who had how much power once the Surfacers are their only legacy?

Tell that to the banns who thought that a blight was the perfect time to start a civil war against Loghain.

I'm not sure they realized it was a Blight when the civil war started. This was directly after Ostagar and in response to the rumors about Cailan's death and Loghain's avoiding the Landsmeet by declaring himself regent. Even at the Landsmeet, the nobles all give the indication that the only reason they believe it to be a Blight is because there is now proof. The South has fallen and refugees are pouring in everywhere. Even Loghain can't deny it anymore and we know just how much he wants to.

[Sarah1281]

thegreateski wrote...

I am confused by this political talk.

I know I heard something about conservative leader David Cameron becoming Prime Minister but other than that...

[Herr Uhl]

*sobs*



I'm not poor or naive, just stupid.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
I'm not sure they realized it was a Blight when the civil war started. This was directly after Ostagar and in response to the rumors about Cailan's death and Loghain's avoiding the Landsmeet by declaring himself regent. Even at the Landsmeet, the nobles all give the indication that the only reason they believe it to be a Blight is because there is now proof. The South has fallen and refugees are pouring in everywhere. Even Loghain can't deny it anymore and we know just how much he wants to.

Even still, the banns rebelling against Loghain was not a prudent decision. Of course, Loghain failing miserably to keep them in line is also a problem. But he didn't want civil war, the banns did. Like Ignacio said, the civil war brought old grudges to boil.

Compare his performance to Bhelen however, who so easily disbanded the Assembly, despite being in existence for a millenium.

[soignee]

I am actually interested in politics outside of dwarfkind too, despite what you make think of me
Though it's evident I think Herr only knows what I am on about, so I'll be quuiiiiiiettt now.

*makes Cameron voodoo doll quietly*

THOUGH. I will say a hung parliament is like the Assembly and what the player walks into as a Grey Warden in Orzammar. Seriously.

Modifié par soignee, 14 mai 2010 - 07:25 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

I am confused by this political talk.

I know I heard something about conservative leader David Cameron becoming Prime Minister but other than that...

I am very interested in the French presidential elections of 2011.
It's clear Sarkozy's poll rating diminished substantially, but I am pretty sure he is the UMP candidate. There is no way Segolene Royale is the Socialist candidate, so I wonder who will take her place. Francois Bayroux is probably the UDF candidate though I don't see him winning.
Jean Marie Le Pen is probably the Front National candidate, like he's been for 40 years.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 mai 2010 - 07:23 .

[Sarah1281]

Compare his performance to Bhelen however, who so easily disbanded the Assembly, despite being in existence for a millenium.

I really want to know how he managed that. I mean, I can't imagine he managed to bribe any Houses into give up their political power...

I am actually interested in politics outside of dwarfkind too, despite what you make think of me



Though it's evident I think Herr only knows what I am on about, so I'll be quuiiiiiiettt now.

Sorry, but since I don't live in Europe I don't hear as much about it...

[thegreateski]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Compare his performance to Bhelen however, who so easily disbanded the Assembly, despite being in existence for a millenium.

I really want to know how he managed that. I mean, I can't imagine he managed to bribe any Houses into give up their political power...

He obviously made them an offer they couldn't refuse . . .

[Costin_Razvan]

The civil war did not start as soon as Loghain marched from Ostagar. In fact Howe tells Loghain during a cutscene that it only starts once you recruit one army, the same one where Zevran is sent after you.



Loghain had the right sense of mind to declare himself reagent, regroup his armed forces and strike at the darkspawn. Anora simply could not have remained sole ruler unless there was much debating, debating they simply did not have time to do with 24 Divisions of Chevaliers Massing to their west and a Blight to their south.



I am inclined to believe there would have been Civil War regardless. We all know what happened when a Fereldan king died without a heir ( Sophia Dryden war ).

[soignee]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


I am very interested in the French presidential elections of 2011.
It's clear Sarkozy's poll rating diminished substantially, but I am pretty sure he is the UMP candidate.

It's okay, he'll just get his missus to take more clothes off on the beach and get photographed, will bet hard money on it. *cynical snort*

There is no way Segolene Royale is the Socialist candidate, so I wonder who will take her place.

Idk, I read that she might be running again but... Hmm. She seems to be stronger now against Sarkozy, though.

Francois Bayroux is probably the UDF candidate though I don't see him winning.
Jean Marie Le Pen is probably the Front National candidate, like he's been for 40 years.

Front National= LOL

Herr Uhl wrote...

*sobs*

I'm not poor or naive,
just stupid.

It's okay. Just realise that UK politics is well hung at the moment, hurrrrr durrrrrr. Or the whole bloody lot of them should be hung, amirite? amirite? thank you, I'll be here until sunday, try the fish

Modifié par soignee, 14 mai 2010 - 07:34 .

[thegreateski]

GAH! Enough politics! I already have nightmares about it I don't need it to harass me here as well!
Lets just stick with Loghain and the civil war thing.

also

Modifié par thegreateski, 14 mai 2010 - 07:37 .

[Herr Uhl]

I have my own elections to keep track of. We have a four-party government right now. It's too bad that everybody except the Swedish equivalent of BNP and Piratpartiet have already chosen their sides. It's starting to become a two-party system.



A couple of years ago, the parties at least pretended that they could choose either side.

[Costin_Razvan]

At least the french don't have it as bad as in my country ( Romania ).......seriously our idiot of a president is serving for his second time as president, even though his designated prime minister is a complete and utter moron.

Tell you what...before the elections started, the Parliment dissolved the government after a vote of no confidence....and after the elections started he was AGAIN put as Prime Minister...

I think Emil Boc has already led four, or wait FIVE governments already, each of them failing harder then before...

Right now they just pissed off the teachers in my country by refusing to raise their salaries by 40%, as promised last year, and are even going to cut them further by 25%. Apparently the teachers are going to boycott the school year right now before exams.

Lovely.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 mai 2010 - 07:37 .

[BigBad]

Agreed. As an American, the last few elections have made me so sick of RL politics that I don't even watch the news anymore.

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The civil war did not start as soon as Loghain marched from Ostagar. In fact Howe tells Loghain during a cutscene that it only starts once you recruit one army, the same one where Zevran is sent after you.

Loghain had the right sense of mind to declare himself reagent, regroup his armed forces and strike at the darkspawn. Anora simply could not have remained sole ruler unless there was much debating, debating they simply did not have time to do with 24 Divisions of Chevaliers Massing to their west and a Blight to their south.

I am inclined to believe there would have been Civil War regardless. We all know what happened when a Fereldan king died without a heir ( Sophia Dryden war ).

Yeah, Loghain had to make himself regent to ensure Anora was kept on the throne but if that's not what happened it would hardly be a disaster. The Chevaliers seem content to just wait at the border when they aren't allowed in and I don't think they're really mentioned after Loghain complains to Cailan. If they're not allowed in and Celene believes it to be a Blight why would they invade? They'd need to deal with the darkspawn and the Fereldens when if they were invited once the Fereldens got desperate they could just focus on one at a time and then do what they did after the Third Blight and not leave.

I thought the Dryden affair was more a rebellion than a war and put down easily enough when they laid siege to Vigil's Keep. Dryden's support wouldn't have even been as strong as it was without Avernus' blood magic to nudge the nobles and there were accusations flying around that Arland was a tyrant. Sure, Avernus could be lying but the demon confirms that Sophia believed it, even if they were obviously biased.

[Costin_Razvan]

The Dryden affair was far more then a meager, easily put down rebellion. In the calling it is said, by Maric, how it took THE ENTIRE Fereldan army to take Soldier's Peak, and the Wardens almost damned near won.

As for the Chevaliers, perhaps so, but you cannot ignore them as Fereldan and just focus on the darkspawn.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 mai 2010 - 07:51 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Baaah, nothing like elections back home, where our one candidate gets 97% of the votes and we all wonder how 3% even managed to have the guts to vote no.

[soignee]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Baaah, nothing like elections back home, where our one candidate gets 97% of the votes and we all wonder how 3% even managed to have the guts to vote no.

*passes gin bottle*

Need moar Bhelen

[Costin_Razvan]

Where you from Knight?