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[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

You, milady, are nothing but a slag and a tart.

I bid thee good day.

can't hold a good woman down, Uhl.

[Herr Uhl]

Alright, I'll go back to keeping men down.

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Alright, I'll go back to keeping men down.

This is the second time I've said this within a space of a day, but: "so many puns, so little time."

[Sarah1281]

So I just did the shifting allegiances quest for the first time. Why isn't the evidence that Bhelen killed Trian/sent mercenaries after you there regardless of who you happen to support? Wish I could have mentioned it to Bhelen...one thing I'm curious about, though, is what the evidence says if you do shifting allegiances as a non-DN. Since the letters detail fratricide in one scenario and simply ambushing you in the second, what it says to a non-DN should let us know what the default option was.



I stopped aftering getting the Paragon quest as that takes far too long so does Harrowmont having proof about Trian affect anything at all?

[Costin_Razvan]

I did that on my Human Noble...apparently Bhelen hired the Carta to kill Trian.



It doesn't affect anything in the long run, but if you do the Shifting Allegiances Quest, then well Harrowmont will stay silent after Oghren speaks.

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I did that on my Human Noble...apparently Bhelen hired the Carta to kill Trian.

It doesn't affect anything in the long run, but if you do the Shifting Allegiances Quest, then well Harrowmont will stay silent after Oghren speaks.

So the default is to not kill Trian? I suppose that it looks worse for Bhelen to have had Trian killed then for Bhelen to have had mercenaries attack the person who actually kill Trian and who, if you're not a DN, no longer matters.

So we just cut out the 'I would like to believe Oghren...' part? Does Harrowmont give his usual 'you have acted with grace' line instead of his 'I am surprised but not ungrateful' one?

[Costin_Razvan]

He does.

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

 Or I can just save you the trouble..and do it myself.
*Tree 1.*

Gorim: My life has been less dramatic. I-I have married into a surface family. My wife is the daughter of the best smith in Denerim.Gorim: We're......expecting our firstborn before the spring. (VO: Proud, but hesitant. )PC: But....what about us?Gorim: Even in Orzammar, we both knew it couldn't last. I was honored by the time we shared, but....
*Tree 2*

PC: I could never find a better man than you.
Gorim: Perhaps it is better for me to wish you the best and let you continue your business in the city.
Gorim: But please, let me at least offer you a discount on my father-in-law's crafts. They are all fine work.

PC: You jerk! I hope you and your ugly wife rot together!
Gorim: My lady, I am sorry.I would never have tried to hurt you.
Gorim: Forgive me.

I don't have a female DN, but I was starting to feel the urge to smack Gorim as I was reading this.

So did I...is it any more obvious he wants to get rid of you? Like 'Yeah, your father missed you, here's a shield, I got married, now go away.' That's only part of the conversation, though...

[Gilsa]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I have the toolset open so gonna bring it up while I'm here

Since you're back to looking up toolset convos, at some point can you look up the Gorim reunion scene? I know some of the romance-specific VO ones were posted but not the entire thing and it's kind of hard to read.

Sarah, I'll put that on the agenda for tomorrow.

Thanks.

DWARF NOBLE REUNION WITH GORIM IN DENERIM
      
Gorim: "Dwarven crafts! Fine dwarven--"
Gorim: "My lady/lord! My Lady/Lord Aeducan? Is-is that really you?"
Gorim: "I knew you survived. I never stopped believing it. And neither did your father. Before I left for the surface, King Endrin sent for me. It was almost more than I could endure, seeing him so."
Gorim: "As if he were long dead and rotten, and now merely an empty husk collapsing in on itself. He could not even rise from his bed, and the room stank of decay." (VO: pained)
Gorim: "He asked me... to give you the Shield of Aeducan. And this letter." (VO: Considering that finding the shield in the first place was the task that got you framed for murder, he's not really comfortable with this request. ACTION: Player recieves the Shield of Aeducan from the origin, and a letter from Endrin. See bottom of post for contents of letter.)

1. The shield ... I had almost forgotten about it.
Gorim: "I have carried them with me since I left Orzammar. As angry as I once was with the king, when I saw him that final time... I pitied him."
Gorim: "His eyes have haunted me since. If it were possible for a man to die of regret, I think King Endrin did."
Gorim: "But... we shouldn't dwell on the past. I can hardly tell you how good it is to see you alive." *Go to tree 1*

2. Why would he do that?
Gorim: "Until that moment, I had hated him for believing Bhelen, for exiling you, but If you had seen him... If you had heard his voice..."
Gorim: "His eyes have haunted me since. If it were possible for a man to die of regret, I think King Endrin did."
Gorim: "But... we shouldn't dwell on the past. I can hardly tell you how good it is to see you alive." *Go to tree 1*

3. I'm not sure I want anything from him now.
Gorim: "I cannot blame you for your anger. I hated the king myself, for what he did to you. But when I saw him that day..."
Gorim: "His eyes have haunted me since. If it were possible for a man to die of regret, I think King Endrin did."
Gorim: "But... we shouldn't dwell on the past. I can hardly tell you how good it is to see you alive." *Go to tree 1*

4. Did he say anything else?
Gorim: "He barely spoke at all. Every word seemed as if it had traveled the entire length of the Deep Roads."
Gorim: "'Find my daughter/son. No other deserves this,' was all that he said."
Gorim: "His eyes have haunted me since. If it were possible for a man to die of regret, I think King Endrin did."
Gorim: "But... we shouldn't dwell on the past. I can hardly tell you how good it is to see you alive." *Go to tree 1*

TREE #1
1. I can't believe I've found you here, of all places.
Gorim: "Aye. And far happier in my exile than I ever expected to be." *Go to tree 2*

2. And now you can take your place again as my second.
(IF: female) Gorim: "My lady, please, don't ask me to come with you."
(IF: male) Gorim: "My lord, I will be loyal to you until my death, but don't ask me to come with you."
Gorim: "I was injured in my travels here. My leg healed crooked and I will never fight again."
Gorim: "And... I have a new life now. I married into a surface family. My wife is lovely and her father is the best smith in Denerim."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

[IF: Gorim_Romantic] 3. I never thought I'd see you again.
Gorim: "My lady... if I had thought to see you again..."
Gorim: "You will always be in my heart. But we both knew it wouldn't truly work out."
Gorim: "Here on the surface, I've found someone. My-my wife is a good woman, the daughter of the best smith in Denerim."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

4. Of course I survived. No thanks to you.
Gorim: "Would that I could have been with you, but the ancestors are far wiser than we."
Gorim: "I think they have done the best for both of us. You are a Grey Warden, and I... I have found my heart on the surface."
Gorim: "My wife is a good woman, the daughter of the best smith in Denerim."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

[IF: Harrowmont_King] 5. I am here and Harrowmont rules in Orzammar. We are avenged.
Gorim: "I heard that Lord Harrowmont took the throne with the assistance of a Grey Warden. I hoped it was you."
Gorim: "When the Blight is defeated, perhaps Harrowmont will step down to see you in your rightful place."
Gorim: "My life has been far less dramatic. I--I have married into a surface family. My wife is the daughter of the best smith in Denerim."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

TREE #2
1. The Gorim I knew hated surface dwarves.
Gorim: "The Gorim you knew was a fool. I've learned more from the surface dwarves than they have from me."
Gorim: "I was injured in my travels here. My leg healed crooked and I will never fight again."
Gorim: "And... I have a new life now. I married into a surface family. My wife is lovely and her father is the best smith in Denerim."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

2. So you're a merchant now?
Gorim: "I was injured in my travels here. My leg healed crooked and I will never fight again."
Gorim: "And... I have a new life now. I married into a surface family. My wife is lovely and her father is the best smith in Denerim."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

3. I'm glad you're happy.
Gorim: "And you?" *Go to tree 3*

4. Now that we're together, you can join me as a Grey Warden.
(IF: female) Gorim: "My lady, please, don't ask me to come with you."
(IF: male) Gorim: "My lord, I will be loyal to you until my death, but don't ask me to come with you."
Gorim: "I was injured in my travels here. My leg healed crooked and I will never fight again."
Gorim: "And... I have a new life now. I married into a surface family. My wife is lovely and her father is the best smith in Denerim."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

TREE #3
(IF: Romance_Zevran) 1. I am in love... with an elf of all people.
Gorim: "Then I thank the ancestors for their kindness, for I too have found my heart. My wife is a surfacer, a good woman."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

(IF: Romance_Morrigan) 2. I am in love... with a human mage of all people.
Gorim: "Then I thank the ancestors for their kindness, for I too have found my heart. My wife is a surfacer, a good woman."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

(IF: Romance_Leliana) 3. I am in love... with a human priestess of all people.
Gorim: "Then I thank the ancestors for their kindness, for I too have found my heart. My wife is a surfacer, a good woman."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

(IF: Romance_Alistair) 4. I am in love... with the future king of Ferelden.
Gorim: "*Laughs* I can't say I'm surprised." (VO: Matter-of-fact. He is talking to royalty, after all.)
Gorim: "But I thank the ancestors for their kindness, for I too have found my heart. My wife is a surfacer, a good woman."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

(IF: Romance_Alistair_King) 5. I am in love... with the king of Ferelden of all people.
Gorim: "*Laughs* I can't say I'm surprised." (VO: Matter-of-fact. He is talking to royalty, after all.)
Gorim: "But I thank the ancestors for their kindness, for I too have found my heart. My wife is a surfacer, a good woman."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

(IF: Harrowmont_king) 6. I have kept the throne from Bhelen. I am content.
Gorim: "I heard that Lord Harrowmont took the throne with the assistance of a Grey Warden. I hoped it was you."
Gorim: "When the Blight is defeated, perhaps Harrowmont will step down to see you in your rightful place."
Gorim: "My life has been far less dramatic. I--I have married into a surface family. My wife is the daughter of the best smith in Denerim."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

7. There is nothing I would rather be than a Grey Warden.
Gorim: "Then I thank the ancestors for granting you happiness, as they did for me."
Gorim: "My wife is a good woman, the daughter of the best smith in Denerim."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

(IF: Landsmeet_Not_Done) 8. Not until the villain who killed Duncan is dead.
Gorim: "Then I wish you all fortune."
Gorim: "My life has been far less dramatic. I--I have married into a surface family. My wife is the daughter of the best smith in Denerim."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

9. Oh, sure. Fighting the next Blight. I'm just peachy.
Gorim: "I see your sense of humor hasn't changed." (VO: fond)
Gorim: "My life has been far less dramatic. I--I have married into a surface family. My wife is the daughter of the best smith in Denerim."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

(IF: Gorim_Romantic) 10. I'm happy we're together once more.
Gorim: "My lady... if I had thought to see you again..."
Gorim: "You will always be in my heart. But we both knew it wouldn't truly work out."
Gorim: "Here on the surface, I've found someone. My-my wife is a good woman, the daughter of the best smith in Denerim."
Gorim: "We're... expecting our firstborn before the spring." (VO: proud, but hesitant) *Go to tree 4*

TREE #4
(IF: Gorim_Romantic) 1. But ... what about us?
Gorim: "Even in Orzammar, we both knew it couldn't last. I was honored by the time we shared, but..."
Gorim: "You are a princess. I'm not even a warrior anymore." (VO: I'm not good enough for you.) *Go to tree 5*

2. Well, when can I meet the lucky girl?
Gorim: "I would love to introduce you."
Gorim: "But you must have more important business than hearing about me."
Gorim: "Have a look at my father-in-law's crafts. All fine work, and I'll cut you a discount." *END DIALOGUE*

3. Gorim Saelac, a merchant. It's hard to believe it.
Gorim: "And harder to believe that it has made me happier than all the glory and honor in Orzammar."
(IF: female) Gorim: "It is wonderful to see you again, my lady." (VO: relieved you don't hate him eternally)
(IF: male) Gorim: "It is wonderful to see you again, my lord."
Gorim: "But you must have more important business than hearing about me."
Gorim: "Have a look at my father-in-law's crafts. All fine work, and I'll cut you a discount." *END DIALOGUE*

4. I don't really have time for a reunion right now.
Gorim: "I'm sure you have pressing business, and I will not keep you from it. May the ancestors guard you."
Gorim: "Have a look at my father-in-law's crafts. All fine work, and I'll cut you a discount." *END DIALOGUE*

TREE #5
1. I could never find a better man than you.
Gorim: "Perhaps it is better for me to wish you the best and let you continue your business in the city."
Gorim: "But please, let me at least offer you a discount on my father-in-law's crafts. They're all fine work." *END DIALOGUE*

2. You jerk! I hope you and your ugly wife rot together!
Gorim: "My lady, I'm sorry. I would never have tried to hurt you."
Gorim: "Forgive me." [SET: Ugly_Breakup] *END DIALOGUE*

3. Gorim Saelac, a merchant. It's hard to believe it. *Go to tree 4, line 3*

4. Well, when can I meet the lucky girl? *Go to tree 4, line 2*

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LETTER FROM KING ENDRIN

Perhaps you will burn this letter unread. For that, I would not blame you. But I would not return to the Stone without saying this to you: I have seen what Bhelen is. And when I saw it, I knew I had been a fool. For only a fool would cut out his own heart and burn it for the sake of appearnces. I never believed in your guilt. I allowed you to be exiled because I feared an inquiry into Trian's murder would taint our house with scandal in the eyes of the deshyrs and cost our family the throne. But I have saved nothing by this sacrifice: I sent my only child into an uncertain exile. Know that whatever you do now, you bear all the honor and pride of House Aeducan.


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AFTER GORIM REUNION COMPLETE
Gorim: "You do your father proud, my lady." (VO: fond and sad)
1. May I see your wares?
(IF: female) Gorim: "Of course, my lady. You do me great honor." *END DIALOGUE*
(IF: male) Gorim: "Certainly. You do me great honor, my lord." *END DIALOGUE*

2. Ancestors watch over you, Gorim. *END DIALOGUE*

(IF: UGLY_BREAKUP)
Gorim: "My lady. I hope you can forgive me. I was never right for you." (VO: apologetic and a little regretful)
1. Just show me your wares.
(IF: female) Gorim: "Of course, my lady. You do me great honor." *END DIALOGUE*
(IF: male) Gorim: "Certainly. You do me great honor, my lord." *END DIALOGUE*

2. Never mind.
Gorim: "Forgive me." *END DIALOGUE*

[soignee]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

GORIM

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[soignee]

goddammit! so much RAEG today. RAAAAAEGE

[Herr Uhl]

So, I presume that there are no more leftovers from the cake?

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

So, I presume that there are no more leftovers from the cake?

There are chocolate biscuits, though. That will do. Also, gin.

Crap I'm getting drunk, brb

[Herr Uhl]

soignee wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

So, I presume that there are no more leftovers from the cake?

There are chocolate biscuits, though. That will do. Also, gin.

Crap I'm getting drunk, brb

*ponders if you have some way to quit being drunk or are going to get really drunk*

[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-
GORIM
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

goddammit! so much RAEG today. RAAAAAEGE

I know exactly what you mean! I'm torn between being glad he's no blaming me for his exile and pissed at how he handled the 'by the way, I know I told you I'd love you forever but I totally ditched you for this surface girl I met.'

He doesn't even do you the courtesy of explaining WHY he couldn't wait a few weeks/months. I'd be a lot more understanding if I knew it was about survival and he wasn't just ridiculously fickle.

[Herr Uhl]

Easy, the girl he found was way better than your noble.



Having people who actually like others better than you is a novel concept.

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Easy, the girl he found was way better than your noble.

Having people who actually like others better than you is a novel concept.

hahah, ouch

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Easy, the girl he found was way better than your noble.

Having people who actually like others better than you is a novel concept.

Except he wasn't single at the time so I don't care.

It's like if you joined the militay and went off on a, say, one-year tour of duty. You find out that your GF/BF decided to get married to someone else in your absense. Sure, they might like them better but it's still a horrible thing to do! And that's certainly going to add some intimacy issues on top of eveything else...

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

soignee wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

So, I presume that there are no more leftovers from the cake?

There are chocolate biscuits, though. That will do. Also, gin.

Crap I'm getting drunk, brb

*ponders if you have some way to quit being drunk or are going to get really drunk*

*raises large gin and tonic*

WHAT DO YOU THINK

[Herr Uhl]

soignee wrote...

*raises large gin and tonic*

WHAT DO YOU THINK

[soignee]

Nearly finished this one, G&Ts are like lemonade to me

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Modifié par soignee, 15 mai 2010 - 11:33 .

[Herr Uhl]

I'm usually to lazy to make my own drinks (yes I count mixing two liquids as hard work). That is what you have bartender friends for.

But then again, 90% of all the alcohol I drink is whiskey and beer.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 15 mai 2010 - 11:37 .

[Gilsa]

Well, part of his dialogue seems to indicate he didn't think he'd actually see you again:



3. I never thought I'd see you again.

Gorim: "My lady... if I had thought to see you again..."



He knew you'd survive somehow, but to actually find you again ... (dot dot dot)

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

Well, part of his dialogue seems to indicate he didn't think he'd actually see you again:

3. I never thought I'd see you again.
Gorim: "My lady... if I had thought to see you again..."

He knew you'd survive somehow, but to actually find you again ... (dot dot dot)

He didn't think he'd see her again when he's standing in the middle of the Denerim market and constantly shouting? Or is where he is supposed to be a little more obscure game-wise? At least he doesn't say 'I've found my heart' when you're romancing him unless you tell him you've done the same thing or I really would have been upset because that's not the kind of thing you put in a breakup speech.

[BigBad]

Why can't I be drunk all the time? I never get to be drunk.