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Here is the Codex entry from my FF copied here.
Codex: Agirn - Rock amidst the sea.
Today it is a common belief among the surface that Orzammar in the days of the Ancient Dwarven Empires was only as large as it is today, a mistaken belief. At it's height the Dwarven Empires stretched to the North as far as Par Vollen and to the south many hundreds of miles beyond the Arbor Wilds, in the south of the Dales.
Orzammar, as the prime trading city connecting the various empires, their thaigs and cities, stretched as far as the Frostback Mountains themselves do on the surface, with the many passage ways guarded by outposts or fortresses. During the first Blight all of them were collapsed by General Aeducan, save for one: Agirn, nicknamed the Rock amidst the sea by it's stout defenders.
First Battle of Agirn - 840 TE: Aeducan, an Agirn back them himself, understood fully well that to save Orzammar he had to cut access for the darkspawn. One by one the tunnels were sealed, leaving only one path towards Orzammar: Through the fortress of Agirn, so he could funnel the Blight into a narrow passage where they numbers would be for naught.
His decision was not met kindly by others, arguing that leaving the eastern pass towards Kal'Sharok and the other western cities would have been more beneficial for the dwarven people, but that was simply no choice for him. The fortress guarding the west, upon which Bownammar itself was built, had long been abandoned after the warrior house that dwelt there was destroyed in a earlier civil war. Thus he closed the passage and prepared his defenses along the help of his father and whatever volunteers he could muster.
When the darkspawn came months later, slowed down by the outlying outposts, the city was brimming with over two hundred thousand dwarven warriors, smiths and servants, all those who had answered Aeducan's call. In rare display of unity, the Magister Lords of Tevinter also answered the call to arms, having already suffered heavy raids on the surface.
Almost one thousand Blood Mages, along with thirty thousand Imperium Soldiers and fifty thousand Elven slaves answered the call, led by Novros the Black and determined to see this threat end before it could grow. Their bravery during the siege largely forgotten by the Chantry influenced countries on the surface.
Arrayed against them stood the might of the Blight, almost on million darkspawn led by the Archdemon itself. A warrior on the walls describing the the horde as a never ending sea, one that broke upon the walls.
For eight months the Darkspawn assaulted the walls, for months did the human, elven and dwarves troops drive them back, inflicting staggering casualties but suffering many themselves. Four times did the darkspawn took the walls, four times did Aeducan and the Mages drive them back, the terrible Blood Magic the only thing saving the fortress. Victory seemed in sight, as reinforcements had begun to arrive led by the noble houses finally understanding the grave threat that was posed to them.
Then the Archdemon played it's last card. While it's mindless troops were wasted upon the walls, it had sent others to dig a way through, coming right from beneath the ground in the lowest parts of the great fortress. At this point the whole siege would have ended in disaster for the defenders, if not for the castless.
No one had expected them to fight, but they did. Taking up whatever arms they could, they fought with near fanatical frenzy against the monsters which threatened their humble homes. Tales of the few survivors say of how they used worn out knives and mallets to take down darkspawn, and stealing their crude weapons and armor to fight on. For hours the entire horde was stalled, long enough for Aeducan to rally the remaining ten thousand defenders and lead them there, by the time he arrived there were no survivors, only the thousnands of darkspawn and castless corpses.
Novros and the remaining mages challenged the Archdemon, while a titanic battle raged around them. When beast struck the Magister down, he used his remaining strength to summon an Inferno of fire around them, burning everything in it's radius. The only remains to be found were the dragon's skeleton and the mages stave. The news brought joy both to the surface and Orzammar, one that was short lived however as the Archdemon's soul had not been destroyed. Taking a new body it reforged it's horde of fiends and attacked again, never daring another assault on Agirn again however.
The first Battle of Agirn is remembered as the first and only time a surface army marched in the Deep, and the greatest victory in Dwarven History, but it was a bitter one as the loss of almost one hundred forty thousand dwarven lives was a serious blow.
Second Battle of Agirn - 1155: Even though the Archdemon ignored the Deep and headed towards the surface, Agirn was continuasly attacked by the Darkspawn, until Caridin's golems drove them back. Eventually the fortress became the center of the Shaperate of Golems, from where the thousands of constructs were used to take back the fallen lands. The main passage towards Kal'Sharok was once again opened as the Legion settled in Bownammar.
It lasted until the Anvil was lost along with the entire Legion of Steel, a loss from which Orzammar never recovered. The golem numbers dwindled until the Darkspawn pushed them back to Agirn itself.
Hardal Threestone was king then, and he saw that the city was still maned by tens of thousands of warriors along with a few hundred golems. It's gates had even reforged from the bones of the Archdemon, capable of wistanding the mighties of blows, by the work of Houses Torral and Hirol.
However this time, there were no human mages on the defenders side, and not even enough men to man the walls entirely. After many weeks the darkspawn forced a push onto the walls and almost conquered it. Only the timely arrival of the Legion of Dead from Bownammar, which had also just endured a siege, saved the fortress. After the close battle however, the king ordered the way towards Kal'Sharok cut again, allowing the Legion to man Agirn.
Third Battle of Agirn - Fall of the Rock, 5:20 Exalted: Almost seven hundred years since the first battle of Agirn was the fate of the fortress to fall. House Agirn itself had been weakened by a recent civil war with House Helmi and Aeducan over the crowing of the new king, and it was in this time that a great horde of Darkspawn attacked, numbering in a mere one hundred forty thousand.
The defenders had the might of the Legion of the Dead behind them, but they could not count on any reinforcements or golems this time, as the current king refused to give them any out of spite. Even so they held for almost three years in the siege with some aid from Houses Aeducan, Helmi and that of Smithing House Torral, who provided the armor and weapons of the defenders, repelling any attack on the walls and the dragonbone gate holding them off.
It was not until the eight of September of 23 Exalted that the gate was broken. The darkspawn flooded into the city and killed the entire ruling house and much of the Legion. It was at this time that a lowly woman of the warrior caste, Astyth, took up her brother's sword in her hand to fight the beasts. With the men dead or dying she rallied the women: nobles, warriors, smiths and even servants under her. Taking their children and stealing the weapons of the dead, they fought their through the city and broke out to the north.
Leading her ten thousand followers towards Orzammar, Astyth was able to hold off the hordes advanced at the very edge of the city. Holding the line while the beleaguered army regrouped, she almost burned alive by a luck shot from an emissary, earning her name as the Grey and losing her tongue.
After the Legion and King's Division launched a counterattack, they were shocked to discover hundreds of women holding the outer outposts of the city. For her bravery she was made a Paragon, and her warriors formed the Silent Sisters, cutting their tongues in a gesture respect for their leader.
Agirn was not retaken. The King assembling almost four divisions in haste was only able to stem the tide and recover the outlying thaigs, but the fortress itself had already been turned into a broodmother nest. It's loss started the collapse of the thaigs around Orzammar, until even Bownammar itself fell in 9:13 Dragon.
- From A history of Aeducan: Paragon, King, and Peacemaker, Book One by Scholar Gertek.
Codex: Agirn - Rock amidst the sea.
Today it is a common belief among the surface that Orzammar in the days of the Ancient Dwarven Empires was only as large as it is today, a mistaken belief. At it's height the Dwarven Empires stretched to the North as far as Par Vollen and to the south many hundreds of miles beyond the Arbor Wilds, in the south of the Dales.
Orzammar, as the prime trading city connecting the various empires, their thaigs and cities, stretched as far as the Frostback Mountains themselves do on the surface, with the many passage ways guarded by outposts or fortresses. During the first Blight all of them were collapsed by General Aeducan, save for one: Agirn, nicknamed the Rock amidst the sea by it's stout defenders.
First Battle of Agirn - 840 TE: Aeducan, an Agirn back them himself, understood fully well that to save Orzammar he had to cut access for the darkspawn. One by one the tunnels were sealed, leaving only one path towards Orzammar: Through the fortress of Agirn, so he could funnel the Blight into a narrow passage where they numbers would be for naught.
His decision was not met kindly by others, arguing that leaving the eastern pass towards Kal'Sharok and the other western cities would have been more beneficial for the dwarven people, but that was simply no choice for him. The fortress guarding the west, upon which Bownammar itself was built, had long been abandoned after the warrior house that dwelt there was destroyed in a earlier civil war. Thus he closed the passage and prepared his defenses along the help of his father and whatever volunteers he could muster.
When the darkspawn came months later, slowed down by the outlying outposts, the city was brimming with over two hundred thousand dwarven warriors, smiths and servants, all those who had answered Aeducan's call. In rare display of unity, the Magister Lords of Tevinter also answered the call to arms, having already suffered heavy raids on the surface.
Almost one thousand Blood Mages, along with thirty thousand Imperium Soldiers and fifty thousand Elven slaves answered the call, led by Novros the Black and determined to see this threat end before it could grow. Their bravery during the siege largely forgotten by the Chantry influenced countries on the surface.
Arrayed against them stood the might of the Blight, almost on million darkspawn led by the Archdemon itself. A warrior on the walls describing the the horde as a never ending sea, one that broke upon the walls.
For eight months the Darkspawn assaulted the walls, for months did the human, elven and dwarves troops drive them back, inflicting staggering casualties but suffering many themselves. Four times did the darkspawn took the walls, four times did Aeducan and the Mages drive them back, the terrible Blood Magic the only thing saving the fortress. Victory seemed in sight, as reinforcements had begun to arrive led by the noble houses finally understanding the grave threat that was posed to them.
Then the Archdemon played it's last card. While it's mindless troops were wasted upon the walls, it had sent others to dig a way through, coming right from beneath the ground in the lowest parts of the great fortress. At this point the whole siege would have ended in disaster for the defenders, if not for the castless.
No one had expected them to fight, but they did. Taking up whatever arms they could, they fought with near fanatical frenzy against the monsters which threatened their humble homes. Tales of the few survivors say of how they used worn out knives and mallets to take down darkspawn, and stealing their crude weapons and armor to fight on. For hours the entire horde was stalled, long enough for Aeducan to rally the remaining ten thousand defenders and lead them there, by the time he arrived there were no survivors, only the thousnands of darkspawn and castless corpses.
Novros and the remaining mages challenged the Archdemon, while a titanic battle raged around them. When beast struck the Magister down, he used his remaining strength to summon an Inferno of fire around them, burning everything in it's radius. The only remains to be found were the dragon's skeleton and the mages stave. The news brought joy both to the surface and Orzammar, one that was short lived however as the Archdemon's soul had not been destroyed. Taking a new body it reforged it's horde of fiends and attacked again, never daring another assault on Agirn again however.
The first Battle of Agirn is remembered as the first and only time a surface army marched in the Deep, and the greatest victory in Dwarven History, but it was a bitter one as the loss of almost one hundred forty thousand dwarven lives was a serious blow.
Second Battle of Agirn - 1155: Even though the Archdemon ignored the Deep and headed towards the surface, Agirn was continuasly attacked by the Darkspawn, until Caridin's golems drove them back. Eventually the fortress became the center of the Shaperate of Golems, from where the thousands of constructs were used to take back the fallen lands. The main passage towards Kal'Sharok was once again opened as the Legion settled in Bownammar.
It lasted until the Anvil was lost along with the entire Legion of Steel, a loss from which Orzammar never recovered. The golem numbers dwindled until the Darkspawn pushed them back to Agirn itself.
Hardal Threestone was king then, and he saw that the city was still maned by tens of thousands of warriors along with a few hundred golems. It's gates had even reforged from the bones of the Archdemon, capable of wistanding the mighties of blows, by the work of Houses Torral and Hirol.
However this time, there were no human mages on the defenders side, and not even enough men to man the walls entirely. After many weeks the darkspawn forced a push onto the walls and almost conquered it. Only the timely arrival of the Legion of Dead from Bownammar, which had also just endured a siege, saved the fortress. After the close battle however, the king ordered the way towards Kal'Sharok cut again, allowing the Legion to man Agirn.
Third Battle of Agirn - Fall of the Rock, 5:20 Exalted: Almost seven hundred years since the first battle of Agirn was the fate of the fortress to fall. House Agirn itself had been weakened by a recent civil war with House Helmi and Aeducan over the crowing of the new king, and it was in this time that a great horde of Darkspawn attacked, numbering in a mere one hundred forty thousand.
The defenders had the might of the Legion of the Dead behind them, but they could not count on any reinforcements or golems this time, as the current king refused to give them any out of spite. Even so they held for almost three years in the siege with some aid from Houses Aeducan, Helmi and that of Smithing House Torral, who provided the armor and weapons of the defenders, repelling any attack on the walls and the dragonbone gate holding them off.
It was not until the eight of September of 23 Exalted that the gate was broken. The darkspawn flooded into the city and killed the entire ruling house and much of the Legion. It was at this time that a lowly woman of the warrior caste, Astyth, took up her brother's sword in her hand to fight the beasts. With the men dead or dying she rallied the women: nobles, warriors, smiths and even servants under her. Taking their children and stealing the weapons of the dead, they fought their through the city and broke out to the north.
Leading her ten thousand followers towards Orzammar, Astyth was able to hold off the hordes advanced at the very edge of the city. Holding the line while the beleaguered army regrouped, she almost burned alive by a luck shot from an emissary, earning her name as the Grey and losing her tongue.
After the Legion and King's Division launched a counterattack, they were shocked to discover hundreds of women holding the outer outposts of the city. For her bravery she was made a Paragon, and her warriors formed the Silent Sisters, cutting their tongues in a gesture respect for their leader.
Agirn was not retaken. The King assembling almost four divisions in haste was only able to stem the tide and recover the outlying thaigs, but the fortress itself had already been turned into a broodmother nest. It's loss started the collapse of the thaigs around Orzammar, until even Bownammar itself fell in 9:13 Dragon.
- From A history of Aeducan: Paragon, King, and Peacemaker, Book One by Scholar Gertek.
#4278
Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:27
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Costin_Razvan wrote...
Herr...just read it seriously. If you don't care about my FF, just scroll down to the Codex part.
Ok, I still think that it is a little too, woman powah! Almost none of the women there would know crap about fighting. Sure, peasants militias have worked before.
Did all castes of the males fight though? I thought that the male smiths would also stay back.
#4279
Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:29
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You can be surprised to what lengths women will go to while defending their children
I did say that only a few hundred survived after ten thousand left with her, so go figure how well they fought.
Regarding the males. Even smiths fight in battles, as shown by the Proving, and I would put it above servants to fight as well.
I did say that only a few hundred survived after ten thousand left with her, so go figure how well they fought.
Regarding the males. Even smiths fight in battles, as shown by the Proving, and I would put it above servants to fight as well.
Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 17 mai 2010 - 03:31 .
#4280
Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:32
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Really? When did we see that?Regarding the males. Even Smiths fight in battles, as shown by the Proving.
And I think he meant 'weren't smiths needed more for smithing than fighting'?
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:33
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I might be completely confused here, but what did the females of the warrior caste do before her?
Edit: Disregard, there would be no females if there would be only males.
Edit: Disregard, there would be no females if there would be only males.
Modifié par Herr Uhl, 17 mai 2010 - 03:34 .
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:34
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They might have fought but they got no respect.
#4283
Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:34
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Myaja is a smith Sarah, the proving master tells you this.
Sure the smiths would be used for smithing, but when the Darkspawn break in they would probably take up arms and try and protect their women.
Now that's a bloody good question. My belief is similar to Sarah, but I also think a great deal of them trained in fighting but were not allowed to take place in any actual battle, only training their boys in the arts of fighting while their husbands were doing it.
Sure the smiths would be used for smithing, but when the Darkspawn break in they would probably take up arms and try and protect their women.
I might be completely confused here, but what did the females of the warrior caste do before her?
Now that's a bloody good question. My belief is similar to Sarah, but I also think a great deal of them trained in fighting but were not allowed to take place in any actual battle, only training their boys in the arts of fighting while their husbands were doing it.
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:36
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What caste is her brother? It could be a mixed-caste marriage like Branka and Oghren. And is it just me or is their 'we're one souls in two bodies' reasoning for doubleteaming you complete and utter BS?Myaja is a smith Sarah, the proving master tells you this.
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:37
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Costin_Razvan wrote...
I might be completely confused here, but what did the females of the warrior caste do before her?
Now that's a bloody good question.
As I implied in the editm you inherit your caste from the same-sex parent. If all warriors were male, there would only be males in the warrior caste no matter how long it went on.
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:38
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It's a mixed-caste marriage, it's not like Oghren and Branka though. Since Branka was a Paragon and made her own house with Oghren in it.
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:38
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Costin_Razvan wrote...
What kind of slash fiction instilled such a fear?
. . . . . . . . Barney and friends.
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:39
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Costin_Razvan wrote...
It's a mixed-caste marriage, it's not like Oghren and Branka though. Since Branka was a Paragon and made her own house with Oghren in it.
Before she was made Paragon.
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:39
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I see......
Nothing stops you from marrying between castes, unless you are a noble but that makes sense.
Before she was made Paragon.
Nothing stops you from marrying between castes, unless you are a noble but that makes sense.
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:41
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Yes, before that it was a smith and a warrior so if they had children the males would be warriors and the females smiths.Herr Uhl wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
It's a mixed-caste marriage, it's not like Oghren and Branka though. Since Branka was a Paragon and made her own house with Oghren in it.
Before she was made Paragon.
There could be warrior females who didn't actually end up fighting but still kept the caste.
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:42
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Costin_Razvan wrote...
Before she was made Paragon.
Nothing stops you from marrying between castes, unless you are a noble but that makes sense.
You can marry whomever you want. But if Branka and Oghen would have kids, the females would be smiths and the males warriors.
Pre-paragonhood.
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:45
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Question.
What happens when a Paragon has a kid?
What happens when a Paragon has a kid?
#4293
Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:46
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Yeah, and in the DN origin if you're romancing Gorim and say 'Why don't we tell him I have all the man I need?' he replies that that's the same as wearing a sign around his neck saying 'Assassinate me before Lady Aeducan marries beneath her.' You can marry whoever...as long as they stay alive long enough to tie the knot.
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:46
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thegreateski wrote...
Question.
What happens when a Paragon has a kid?
Noble if the same gender. If the other gender, see other parent.
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:50
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I don't know about that. I thought the entire House was raised up to Paragonhood. They never say anything about, say, just the women of Branka and Oghren's houses becoming nobility. That might be different, though, since it's the founding of a noble house and if they don't take at least immediate family then the House will be too small. And Rica and the DC mother become first warriors and then nobility even if the DC is a male so artificial changes probably work differently.Herr Uhl wrote...
thegreateski wrote...
Question.
What happens when a Paragon has a kid?
Noble if the same gender. If the other gender, see other parent.
And they only mention Aeducan having daughters so if they stayed warrior caste how could they have grown into the powerhouse they currently are?
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 03:55
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I think that depends on the paragon, I don't think Oghren was made into a noble.
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 04:41
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The way it appears to work is that when a dwarf is named Paragon, a new noble house is formed in their name. The Paragon is automatically the head of the house and may accept petitioners into the house, thus raising them to nobility. All accepted members of the new House would be nobles, even though most of them would be lower castes before their petition is acknowledged by the Paragon. This is the only way a dwarf can rise from a lower caste to a higher without achieving Paragonhood themseles, since noble-hunters aren't considered true nobles even if they bear a noble son.
ETA: This is mostly just inferring from what we're presented, since the process of forming a new house, establishing caste, etc. is very vague.
ETA: This is mostly just inferring from what we're presented, since the process of forming a new house, establishing caste, etc. is very vague.
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 05:39
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Those are amazingly popular at Disneyland. I am not kidding. (I have an annual pass so I go at least once a month.) And I'm not talking about little girls either. When I walk into a shop, I often see women trying them on for the lulz. They get the ones that are teeny tiny, like 3 inches wide, because those are the cheapest ones.Radahldo wrote...
How does everyone feel about Tiaras?
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 07:40
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Okay, soignee...took me awhile to get through all the physical bits (that pairing...why?) but I'm done reading your two-shot. I liked it even though it was sad. And Sigrun! Why?!?! I don't even...
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 08:34
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Pondering whether to make a shamefully typical "I SUPPORT A DWARF LOVE INTEREST" sort of thread someplace on the boards.
I really want one, okay :/
I really want one, okay :/
